Trojansko more - Panonsko more u doba antičke Troje

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Distribution of Spondylus/Glycymeris artifacts

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Trojan (adj.)

Old English Troian "of or pertaining to ancient Troy," from Latin Trojanus, from Troia, Troja "Troy," from the Greek name for the city, said to be from Tros, name of a king of Phrygia, the mythical founder of Troy. Trojan horse was figurative of ambush-from-within in Roman times (equus Troianus); attested in English from 1570s; the computer virus sense is attested by 1982.
As a noun from mid-14c., "inhabitant of ancient Troy;" in early modern English, the noun could mean "a determined fellow, one who fights or works hard," from the Trojans' long resistance to the Greeks in the Trojan War, but also in 17c., it was a colloquial term for "person of dissolute life, carousing companion." The trade name for a brand of prophylactic contraceptive was registered 1927 in U.S.
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Dardanelles

strait between the Aegean Sea and the Sea of Marmara, separating Europe from Asia, the classical Hellespont, probably from Dardanus (Greek Dardanos), name of an ancient city near Troy, on the Asia side of the strait, home of the Dardani, a people-name said to be from a mythical founder Dardanus, but this is likely folk-etymology. Related: Dardanian.
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Achilles

Greek hero of the Trojan War stories, bravest, swiftest, and handsomest of Agamemnon's army before Troy, he was son of Thetis and Peleus. His name is perhaps a compound of akhos "pain, grief" (see awe) + laos "the people, a people" (see lay (adj.)); or else it is from Pre-Greek (non-IE). Related: Achillean.
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odyssey (n.)

c. 1600, "Odyssey," title given to one of the two great epic poems of ancient Greece, from Latin Odyssea, from Greek Odysseia, the ancient name of the Homeric poem telling tales of the ten-year wanderings of Odysseus, king of Ithaca, seeking home after the fall of Troy. Figurative sense of "long, adventurous journey" is recorded by 1889.
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Ilium

"Troy;" see Iliad.
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palladium (n.1)

"a safeguard," c. 1600, originally (late 14c., Palladioun) "a sacred image of Pallas Athene," from Old French palladion, from Latin palladium, from Greek Palladion, noun use of neuter of Palladios "of Pallas." It stood in the citadel of Troy and the safety of the city was believed to depend on it. Related: Palladian.
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Ida

fem. proper name, Medieval Latin, from Old High German Ida, which is perhaps related to Old Norse ið "work." As the name of a mountain near Troy and one in Crete (the mystic birthplace of Zeus), it probably is a different word, of unknown or non-IE origin; related: Idaean.
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heroic (adj.)

1540s, "having or displaying the qualities of a hero," shortened from heroical (early 15c., also heroycus) "noble, magnanimous," from Latin heroicus "of a hero, heroic, mythical," from Greek hērōikos "of or for a hero, pertaining to heroes," from hērōs (see hero (n.1)). In some modern uses, "having recourse to extreme measures." The Heroic Age, semi-mythical prehistoric period in Greece, ended with the return of the armies from the fall of Troy. Related: Heroically. Heroic verse (1610s), decasyllabic iambic, is from Italian.
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myrmidon (n.)

one of a warlike people of ancient Thessaly, legendarily ruled by Achilles and accompanying him to Troy, c. 1400, from Latin Myrmidones (plural), from Greek Myrmidones, Thessalian tribe led by Achilles to the Trojan War, fabled to have been ants changed into men, and often derived from Greek myrmex "ant" (from PIE *morwi- (see Formica (2)), but Watkins does not connect them and Klein's sources suggest a connection to Greek mormos "dread, terror." Transferred sense of "faithful unquestioning follower," often with a suggestion of unscrupulousness, is from c. 1600.


Iliad

from Latin Ilias (genitive Iliadis), from Greek Ilias poiesis "poem of Ilion" (Troy), literally "city of Ilius," the mythical founder. With -ad.
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-ad

word-forming element of Greek origin appended to nouns and denoting collective numerals (triad, Olympiad) and fem. patronymics (Dryad, Naiad, also, in plural, Pleiades, Hyades), thence also plant family names; from Greek -as (genitive -ados), fem. suffix equivalent to -is.
From its use in Iliad (literally "of Ilion," that is, "Troy;" from Ilias poiesis or oidos "poem of Ilion," the accompanying noun being feminine, hence the termination) it has formed titles of poems in imitation of it (Columbiad, Dunciad).
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*bhergh- (2)

Proto-Indo-European root meaning "high," with derivatives referring to hills and hill-forts.
It forms all or part of: barrow (n.2) "mound, hill, grave-mound;" belfry; borough; bourgeoisie; burg; burgess; burgher; burglar; faubourg; iceberg.
It is the hypothetical source of/evidence for its existence is provided by: Sanskrit b'rhant "high," brmhati "strengthens, elevates;" Avestan brzant- "high," Old Persian bard- "be high;" Greek Pergamos, name of the citadel of Troy; Old Church Slavonic bregu "mountain, height;" Old Irish brigh "mountain;" Welsh bera "stack, pyramid."
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ounce (n.1)

unit of weight, the twelfth part of a pound, early 14c., from Old French once, unce, a measure of weight or time (12c.), from Latin uncia "one-twelfth part" (of a pound, a foot, etc.), from Latin unus "one" (from PIE root *oi-no- "one, unique"). The Latin word had been adopted in Old English as ynce (see inch).
It was one-twelfth of a pound in the Troy system of weights, but one-sixteenth in avoirdupois. Abbreviation oz. is from older Italian onza. It was used loosely from late 14c. for "a small quantity." Also used in Middle English as a measure of time (7.5 seconds) and length (about 3 inches). In figurative expressions and proverbs, an ounce of X is compared or contrasted with a pound of Y from 1520s.
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Cassandra

fem. proper name, Latinized form of Greek Kasandra, Kassandra, name of the daughter of Priam and Hecuba of Troy, seduced by Apollo, who gave her the gift of prophecy, but when she betrayed him he amended it so that, though she spoke truth, none would believe her. Used figuratively since 1660s.
The name is of uncertain origin, though the second element looks like a fem. form of Greek andros "of man, male human being." Watkins suggests PIE *(s)kand- "to shine" as its source. The name also has been connected to kekasmai "to surpass, excel," and Beekes suggests a source in PIE *(s)kend- "raise."
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pound (n.1)

[fundamental unit of weight] Old English pund "pound" (in weight or money), also "pint," from Proto-Germanic *punda- "pound" as a measure of weight (source of Gothic pund, Old High German phunt, German Pfund, Middle Dutch pont, Old Frisian and Old Norse pund), an early borrowing from Latin pondo "pound," originally in libra pondo "a pound by weight," from pondo (adv.) "by weight," ablative of pondus "weight," from stem of pendere "to hang, cause to hang; weigh" (from PIE root *(s)pen- "to draw, stretch, spin"). Perhaps the notion is the weight of a thing measured by how much it stretches a cord.
Meaning "unit of money" was in Old English, originally "a (Tower) pound of silver."
In the Middle Ages it was reckoned variously: the Tower pound (12 ounces), the merchant's pound (15), the avoirdupois (16), the Troy (12); the 16-ounce pound was established before late 14c. Pound cake (1747) is so called because it has a pound, more or less, of each ingredient. Pound of flesh is from "Merchant of Venice" IV.i. The abbreviations lb., £ are from libra "pound," and reflect the medieval custom of keeping accounts in Latin (see Libra).
A peny yn seson spent wille safe a pounde. [Paston Letters, 1457]
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hero (n.1)

late 14c., "man of superhuman strength or physical courage," from Old French heroe (14c., Modern French héros), from Latin heros (plural heroes) "hero, demi-god, illustrious man," from Greek hērōs (plural hērōes) "demi-god." This is of uncertain origin; according to an old theory perhaps originally "defender, protector" and (Pokorny, Watkins) from PIE root *ser- (1) "to protect," but Beekes writes that it is "Probably a Pre-Greek word."

In Homer, of the Greeks before Troy, then a comprehensive term used of warriors generally, also of all free men in the Heroic Age. In classical mythology from at least the time of Hesiod (8c. B.C.E.) "man born from a god and a mortal," especially one who had done service to mankind; with the exception of Heracles limited to local deities and patrons of cities.
 
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Iliri su Slaveni / Illyrians are Slavs

20. август 2016. ·

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Ilirska kaciga iz 6.st.pr.n.e. i ratnik konjokrota sa ilirskom kacigom na megalitskom stećku težine 5tona, koji je postavljen sa ostalim stećcima na prapovijesnom ilirskom grobnom humku – gromili, a većina nekropola stećaka je postavljana na ilirske prapovijesne humke, dakle jesu li naši arheolozi glupi ili se prave glupi kada tvrde bez dokaza da su stećcci iz srednjeg vijeka koji su postavljani na prapovijesne ilirske gromile, sami procijenite. Kod nas postoji kontinuitet postavljanja stećaka i grobnih humaka od 15.st.pr.n.e. do novog vijeka, točno se vidi kako su stećci mlađi, tako su manje težine i očuvaniji, dok na antičkim megalitskim stećcima se vidi zub vremena, možemo vidjeti da su prastari, i pravilo što su građevine starije to su megalitske. Dakle od antičkih stećaka od 15 i 32tone do novovjekovnih kamenih preklopnica, od ilirskih prapovijesnih gromila do srednjovjekovnih gromila i zadnjih grobnih gromila koje su se na nekim mjestima radile do 60ih godina prošlog stoljeća... STEĆCI NISU SAMO SREDNJOVJEKOVNI!!! ODJEBITE S TIM PODVALAMA!

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Zar nisu ovako prikazivani i Trojanci; zar nisu ove ilirske kacige, ustvari, trojanske kacige?
 
Uzvišenje u Troji zvalo se "breg", grčki "Perg-amos"

*bhergh- (2)

Proto-Indo-European root meaning "high," with derivatives referring to hills and hill-forts.
It forms all or part of: barrow (n.2) "mound, hill, grave-mound;" belfry; borough; bourgeoisie; burg; burgess; burgher; burglar; faubourg; iceberg.
It is the hypothetical source of/evidence for its existence is provided by: Sanskrit b'rhant "high," brmhati "strengthens, elevates;" Avestan brzant- "high," Old Persian bard- "be high;" Greek Pergamos, name of the citadel of Troy; Old Church Slavonic bregu "mountain, height;" Old Irish brigh "mountain;" Welsh bera "stack, pyramid."
 
Uzvišenje u Troji zvalo se "breg", grčki "Perg-amos"

*bhergh- (2)

Proto-Indo-European root meaning "high," with derivatives referring to hills and hill-forts.
It forms all or part of: barrow (n.2) "mound, hill, grave-mound;" belfry; borough; bourgeoisie; burg; burgess; burgher; burglar; faubourg; iceberg.
It is the hypothetical source of/evidence for its existence is provided by: Sanskrit b'rhant "high," brmhati "strengthens, elevates;" Avestan brzant- "high," Old Persian bard- "be high;" Greek Pergamos, name of the citadel of Troy; Old Church Slavonic bregu "mountain, height;" Old Irish brigh "mountain;" Welsh bera "stack, pyramid."

Nije se tako zvalo u Troji, već su Grci tako nazivali.
 
STEĆCI NISU SAMO SREDNJOVJEKOVNI!!! ODJEBITE S TIM PODVALAMA!
Није стећак него гребница. Стећак је стесак - стесан камен на коме ништа не пише. То је аустроугарска подвала убачена у наш језик преко германофила.
Гребница је прави назив јер гребањем камена се уписује текст или симболи....
 
Није стећак него гребница. Стећак је стесак - стесан камен на коме ништа не пише. То је аустроугарска подвала убачена у наш језик преко германофила.
Гребница је прави назив јер гребањем камена се уписује текст или симболи....
prasl. i stsl. grobъ (rus. grob, polj. grób) ≃ stvnjem. grab ≃ v. grebati, grepsti

U toj reči zemlja je ono što se grebe i pogrebe na grob (ili čakavski greb).
 
Zanimljiva izjava pokojnog antropologa Srboljuba Živanovića o mulju Panonskog mora koji je očuvao skelete u Panoniji .

To što Živanović tvrdi, ili preciznije što je mnogo, mnogo puta ponovio, nije istina.

Ovde se može pročitati Šljivićev rad koji Živanović pominje u celosti: https://www.jstor.org/stable/25749579

Radi se o izmišljenoj priči.
 
Mađari se sjetili Panonskog mora !
Noina tužba
Mađarska je 1997. godine, dobro pripremljena za akciju, podnijela monumentalnu tužbu Haagu tražeći ponovnu uspostavu sliva koje je postojalo od posljednjeg ledenog doba, ali je nedavno uništeno izgradnjom slovačkog kanala.
Presedan za 21. stoljeće: Dunavska tužba u Haagu
pri Bela Liptak, 25. svibnja 1997.
Kako se ledeni pokrov povlačio prema sjeveru, prije nekih osam tisuća godina, u Karpatskom bazenu nastalo je Panonsko more. Voda iz snijega koji se topi u nju je nosila rijeka, koju su Rimljani zvali Ister, a mi Dunav. Ova drevna morska delta nalazila se na mjestu gdje se susreću granice Austrije, Mađarske i Slovačke. Jedinstvena flora i fauna, koja se razvila iz jedine europske delte kopnenog mora, preživjela je u Mađarskoj u Szigetkozu (otočnoj regiji) u 20. stoljeću.
Završni prihvaćeni sažetak Béla Liptßk, 27. prosinca 1997.
Okolišni ulozi u ovom slučaju vrlo su visoki: močvarna područja koja su uključena ostaci su jedine delte kopnenog mora u Europi. Ova delta preživjela je od posljednjeg ledenog doba, kada je Panonsko more ispunilo Karpatski bazen. Oko 400 jedinstvenih vrsta preživjelo je od nekadašnje delte mora Pannon, a ono što se danas naziva Szigetkoz ("područje tisuću otoka" - na mađarskom), gdje, od preusmjeravanja, nije ostao niti jedan otok,- jer nema vode.
Dunavska tužba je revolucionarno pravno pitanje koje tvrdi da nacije uz rijeku nemaju pravo uništavati stanište ispod. To je mnogo pitanje koje je dovelo čovjeka koji će biti kralj na vlast u Kiplingu, ali iznad toga je utvrdilo zakonski prihvaćenu činjenicu koju je ignorirala ne-lokalna znanost, činjenica koja ima vrlo široke implikacije izvan svog raison d'etre.
Karpatski bazen je vrlo duboka zdjela [do 7 km] formirana jer je nekoliko ploča došlo u sukob tijekom milijuna godina i nastavljaju to činiti i danas. Na ustaljenijem jeziku zrelih znanstvenika tog područja napunio se s nekoliko kilometara poplavnih i vjetrovitih naslaga iz nekoliko ledenih doba koje je zahvatilo to područje. Bila je utvrđena činjenica da je sliv bio domaćin dugovječnog jezera [Pannon] milijunima godina, ali bila je konvencionalna mudrost da je ovo jezero nestalo prije najmanje 100,000 godina, ako ne i milijune godina.
S potrebom da se pokaže na koji je sliv utjecao slovački kanal, ispitani su dokazi o bušotinama s tisuća lokacija diljem bazena i moglo bi se pokazati da je krajem posljednjeg ledenog doba jezero Pannon ispunilo bazen, a dotično područje bilo je delta u kojoj su vode iz gornjeg Dunava ušle u ovo vodeno tijelo.
Pa kako to uvelike utječe na naš svijet kada ne živimo u bazenu i nitko ne piša naš potok? Možda nas dotakne povijesno, mitološki i biblijski. Ukratko, to bi moglo sve promijeniti.
Mora se pitati kako i kada se formiralo jezero Pannon. Je li postojalo prethodno postojeće jezero u koje su ušle novooslobođene vode ledenog doba? Očito je koliko je voda postala duboka od visine deltalne visoravni u središtu ovog pitanja. U svakom slučaju, dokazi o bušotinama sugeriraju da je došlo do velikog vala vode koji je donio gustu naslagu pijeska kako bi prekrio sloj ugljena i šljunka blizu kraja glave [Nagy Mohos] i svega što je pokrivalo dugovječnu livadu.. Na suprotnom kraju bazena [gornji Timis], ponovno izravni dokazi o velikom valu i ogromnom odronu 8000 godina kasnije.
Kakav je bio učinak na populaciju basgdje je bilo jako naseljeno s obzirom na idealne uvjete. Što bi se dogodilo s tragovima tih ljudi i tko bi preživio. Kakav je to utjecaj imalo na mezolitsko-neolitičku tranziciju? Karte tog doba ne uključuju veliko vodeno tijelo iako je logično pretpostaviti da bi to imalo mnogo veze s oblikovanjem civilizacije. Imao bi ime i njegov se karakter s vremenom sigurno promijenio. Naizgled se nikada ne spominje ni u jednoj literaturi, ali je li? Pojmovi poput "obale" Ilirija i "flote" na Dunavu bez očite luke odjednom poprimaju novo značenje, ali zašto je to propušteno
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