Rat u Ukrajini (2)

[veliki krang]

pa ništa, mrzit će ih i nanosit im štetu na svaki mogući način... vrijeme protiče budemo vidjeli tko će u konačnici pobijediti bez obzira na treutni odnos snaga... evo budemo vidjeli do 24.03. tada će biti mjesec dan od početka agresije... naravno ako do tada ne dođe do širenja rata i na druge države, onda ćemo imati drugačiju sliku

Ne verujem da će mrtvi imati prilike da nanesu bilo kakvu štetu.

 

[Branko Lori]

Cilj Rus je južno od Harkova je Izijum. Ruske trupe su stigle do lokacije, vode se borbe. Donbas na sebe veže najborbenije ukrajinske snage i prilazak ruskih trupa iza leđa i moguće zatvaranje kotla svakako nije prijatno.

 

[Tempomat]

Јел знаш како је совјетска доктрина организована у смислу градова

Znam
Okruži pa ga gađaj svime što imaš a onda ušeći

 

[Tom Jones 1]

Hm, a zašto tako malo lete onda? Ako nema PVO, onda radiš NATO style 1999, imaš pola poginulog a dođeš do identičnog cilja

A зашто онда Зеленски кмечи да му отан затвори небо?

 

[Branko Lori]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1499873386360721411

 

[Beli Gibson]

Znam
Okruži pa ga gađaj svime što imaš a onda ušeći

не, то је америчка доктрина коју су неуспешно користили у Грозном 94е
него у смислу конструкције градова

 

[Skakač_Sa_Bgd_Mostova]

Rusi i ruski soldati su doživeli toliku sramotu i tragediju (zbog 1600 mrtvih vojnika) da ih ništa oprati neće. Čak i JNA iz 1991 izgleda kao resprektabilna vojna sila u poređenju sa Putlerovom crvenom armijom.

rekao CNN 1600 mrtvih,,sigurno je istina,,nego što ne spominju koliko je civila za 10 dana rata poginulo? 331 do juče po OEBS-u,,što ne spominju koliko je ukrajinske vojske i tehnike uništeno?,,

 

[This is Sparta]

Izvinjavam se tvom sunarodniku dalmati, pošto sam se njemu juče obratio, a trebalo je tebi. Dakle, ti si preksinoć pričao kako će Rusi biti kažnjeni zbog granatiranja nuklearne elektrane u Zaporožju, pa rekoh da pitam jesu li već kažnjeni?

Биће, Пленковић им је запретио интервенцијом, хрватска војска је већ повећала борбену готовост.

 

[veliki krang]

A зашто онда Зеленски кмечи да му отан затвори небо?

Odgovor na te zahteve je bio baš onako direktan. Rečeno mu je da je tako nešto moguće jedino ako NATO uđe u direktan sukob sa Rusima, a NATO u tome ne želi da učestvuje...

 

[Tempomat]

Pa upravo zato što ne žele da gađaju sve redom, kao što je NATO radio.
...

Shit of the week, ahahahaha, Nato je imao izuzetno selektirane ciljeve. I da, sad ćeš pokazati voz, i još nešto, (albansku kolonu koju su pogodili greškom nećeš), i to je to.
99,9% preciznih ciljanih i opravdanih pogodaka, a Rus istrese litru votke i udaraj topovima i raketama

 

[Beli Gibson]

rekao CNN 1600 mrtvih,,sigurno je istina,,nego što ne spominju koliko je civila za 10 dana rata poginulo? 331 do juče po OEBS-u,,što ne spominju koliko je ukrajinske vojske i tehnike uništeno?,,

ЈНА је у једном Вуковару изгубила 1600 људи а ови у целој држави ахаахахаха), да не спомињем да је то рачунајући рањене.
Дакле ЦИА рачуна ГУБИТКЕ тако што сабирају мртваке и рањенике,
дакле да користимо бројке старе 3 дана од Руса и Американаца, Руси кажу 500 мртвих, 1500 рањених. Амери кажу 2000 губитака.

 

[Tempomat]

Nešto sumnjam da će biti ogromna količina, oko četiri stotine za sada je znatno manje od očekivanih gubitaka, verovatno ni sami Rusi nisu očekivali da će Ukrajinci biti baš ovoliko jadni...

Ali tih 400 je fejk njuz

 

[Branko Lori]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1499813787356082176

 

[veliki krang]

Shit of the week, ahahahaha, Nato je imao izuzetno selektirane ciljeve. I da, sad ćeš pokazati voz, još nešto (albansku kolonu koju su pogodili greškom nećeš), i to je to.
99,9% preciznih ciljanih i opravdanih pogodaka, a Rus istrese litru votke i udaraj topovima i raketama

Zapravo nije, već smo pominjali stvari tipa Varvarinski most koji nije ni od kakvog značaja, a gde je napravljen masakr. U svakom slučaju, čak ni NATO nije imao ovakvu prevlast na nebu kao što sada imaju Rusi iznad Ukrajine, a razlika u pristupu je prilično vidljiva

 

[ZagaTeNej]

slažem se s tobom, svojevremeno ja sam imao legitimitet u vidu kalibra 5,45 i učinkovito ga sprovodio...

Da ja sam imao 7,62 i uspješno ga sprovodio na vama i na mujama!

 

[Tempomat]

не, то је америчка доктрина коју су неуспешно користили у Грозном 94е
него у смислу конструкције градова

Rusi koristili američku doktrinu
Okej

 

[MaRaMih162219]

Ne verujem da će mrtvi imati prilike da nanesu bilo kakvu štetu.

ako do toga dođe da krenete masovno ubijati civile onda ja vjerujem da će zapad čak i riskirati rat svih ratova jer ******* ***** sa čelnikom u kremlju, se ipak ne može dozvoliti da započnu genocid nad ukrajincima... u svakom slučaju nakon sinoćnje podrške srbije rusiji vaš status u slučaju širenja rata je sigurno poznat...

 

[veliki krang]

Ali tih 400 je fejk njuz

Ne bih rekao. Vidi, ako su Ukrajinci mogli da izbroje mrtve Ruse, to takođe znači i da su većinu od njih mogli i da identifikuju. A onda se lepo sastavi poimenični spisak, predstavi javnosti i to je to. Ovako, priče o hiljadama mrtvih Rusa su upravo samo lažne vesti.

 

[Tempomat]

Zapravo nije, već smo pominjali stvari tipa Varvarinski most koji nije ni od kakvog značaja, a gde je napravljen masakr. U svakom slučaju, čak ni NATO nije imao ovakvu prevlast na nebu kao što sada imaju Rusi iznad Ukrajine, a razlika u pristupu je prilično vidljiva

Zapravo je, i zato sam napisao 99,9 a ne 100%

 

[marsijaner]

da postoji i neko koji i misli svojom glavo i da i daje svoje misljenje , zasto i nije se potpisao na 7 stranica dokumenta
za sve one koji i razumeju engleski podvucicu

Daily Wire: "one of the good Republicans" refused to sign a resolution in support of Ukraine​

The material is presented in the translation of InoTV

Member of the US House of Representatives Thomas Massey did not sign the seven-page resolution in support of Ukraine, approved by the overwhelming majority of congressmen. As Daily Wire host Matt Walsh points out, Massey made reasonable arguments about why this resolution does not contribute to de-escalation and carries potential risks for America. In particular, the Republican considered it inappropriate to assert that Ukraine and NATO will determine their own relations.












PBS writes: “ The US House of Representatives overwhelmingly supported the resolution on “firm, unwavering, proud and ardent” support for Ukraine. Lawmakers said on Wednesday that history is watching the world's reaction as Ukrainians fight to save their Western democracy from Russia's military operation.

With increasing urgency, many in Congress have argued that more needs to be done to help Ukraine and deprive Russian President Vladimir Putin of the ability to fight.

Additionally, in the Senate, Lindsey Graham proposed a resolution supporting Ukraine's claim to an international court that Putin and his cronies have committed war crimes ."

So they all signed this resolution. That is, almost everything. And this happened the day after many of them, Republicans and Democrats, as Tucker Carlson pointed out in his excellent monologue yesterday, showed up to the President's State of the Union address, in fact, wrapped in Ukrainian flags, with the Ukrainian flag on lapel and with all sorts of Ukrainian paraphernalia. But, remarkably, many of them have, in fact, removed their American flag badges and replaced them with the Ukrainian flag. Some of the members of Congress had both flags, but many, including many Republicans, did not have any American flag. They removed it in order to attach a Ukrainian one in its place.

You will never see such things in any non-Western country! If you go somewhere outside the West and get rid of this unique disease that many in our country suffer from, thinking that it is wrong to be a patriot of your country, but you can be a patriot of a foreign country ... Look around - and you will not find in others countries of politicians who will remove the flag of their own state and put on the flag of another state.

So, after this demonstration of virtue, they drafted this declaration together and spoke out in support of Ukraine. Several Republicans did not sign it. I think there were three Republicans who said, "I'm not going to sign this." One of them is Thomas Massey. You have often heard this name in my program. Because Thomas Massey is one of the good Republicans in Congress. One of many. He is smart, and he also has moral and intellectual courage. And this is a very big rarity among our leaders.

So, he her (resolution. - InoTV) did not sign. Is it because he supports Putin? Is he a puppet of Putin, a secret agent of Russia sent by Putin? Is this the reason - or is it because he has reasons, sound reasons not to sign such a document? By the way, you may not agree with these reasons. But I'll read... He posted a series of tweets explaining those reasons. You may not agree with them. But if, after I read them, you come to the conclusion that he is Putin's puppet, it will mean that you are just a very stupid person and it is not worth talking to you. Because, whether you agree or not, as an intelligent and rational person, you should at least admit that his reasoning is reasonable.

So here's what he says:I fully support the right of Ukrainians to self-determination. However, there are many reasons why I could not vote for the seven-page resolution passed by the House of Representatives today. The resolution contains a vague call for additional and immediate "defense and security assistance". The term is so all-encompassing that it could mean the dispatch of the US military, or, as some of my colleagues have already asked for, a US-controlled "no-fly zone."

She (resolution. - InoTV ) expands the geography of US involvement in the conflict in Ukraine, condemning the state of Belarus. We should not seek to name new enemies or commit ourselves to overthrow foreign governments.

She(resolution. - InoTV ) calls for the complete isolation of Russia economically. This will hurt low-income US citizens who are already struggling because of inflation. Innocent people in Russia, many of whom are opposed to Putin's actions, will suffer paralyzing sanctions, and this may turn them against us.

Paralyzing sanctions could also push Putin to greater desperation and spur him to resort to drastic measures, including escalation over what weapons will be used and who will be targeted.

The resolution contains the inappropriate statement that Ukraine and NATO will define relations with each other. This is true, of course, but why would Congress make such a claim now that the goal is to de-escalate the conflict? »

And finally: «She (resolution. - InoTV ) calls for continued support, "while the Russian Federation continues to violate the sovereignty of Ukraine." Depending on the definition of the word "violate," this could mean an eternal commitment on the part of the US to actively participate in a conflict with another nuclear power ."

Here are his reasons. Sounds pretty reasonable to me. And by the way, I agree with him. Again, I'm not saying that everyone who hears this has to agree. Probably, you can find fault with individual trifles. But at least Thomas Massey read the resolution, which most of these people didn't, I guarantee you. So he read the wording and thought about what it meant. Do I really support everything that is written here? What follows from this?

He knew that political calculation... Because of this war fever and everything else now, because of the propaganda that people are now engulfed in, the smartest thing from a political point of view is to just sign this damn document. But instead, he wondered what it actually says, what follows from it, and whether he really supports it. “Yes, of course I support Ukraine when it defends itself. No, I'm certainly not a fan of Putin. But do I support all the language in this particular resolution?” And he said, "No."

Whether you agree with him or disagree, at least it deserves respect. Every time a politician... Even if I don't agree with him. Every time a politician is ready to defend some position that will be politically unpopular, but he tries to do what he thinks is right, that always impresses me.

Air date March 03, 2022.

 

[veliki krang]

ako do toga dođe da krenete masovno ubijati civile onda ja vjerujem da će zapad čak i riskirati rat svih ratova jer modernim nacifašistima sa čelnikom u kremlju, se ipak ne može dozvoliti da započnu genocid nad ukrajincima... u svakom slučaju nakon sinoćnje podrške srbije rusiji vaš status u slučaju širenja rata je sigurno poznat...

Nemoj da veruješ, nisu ti se do sada verovanja ispostavila kao tačna. Dakle, čak i da Rusi krenu da rovaše sve redom, a neće, NATO i SAD neće uraditi ama baš ništa, jer su jadni.

 

[Beli Gibson]

Rusi koristili američku doktrinu
Okej

да, америчка доктрина је сравни све са земљом па онда упадни, нпр. дезерт сторм.
совјетска у смислу конструкције градова након 1945е је оно што ме је интересовали дал знате пошто говорите како не заузимају све градове лево десно

 

[MaRaMih162219]

Da ja sam imao 7,62 i uspješno ga sprovodio na vama i na mujama!

to je drugo naprijed si napisao 7,69, tak da sam ja uvjeren da si ti više koristio brlju nego kalibar koji navodiš... 2 i 9 su daleko na tipkovnici da bi pogriješio...

 

[Tempomat]

Ne bih rekao. Vidi, ako su Ukrajinci mogli da izbroje mrtve Ruse, to takođe znači i da su većinu od njih mogli i da identifikuju. A onda se lepo sastavi poimenični spisak, predstavi javnosti i to je to. Ovako, priče o hiljadama mrtvih Rusa su upravo samo lažne vesti.

O broju mrtvih lažu i jedni i drugi, to je bar jasno, svaki na svoju stranu, kao i kod Jasenovca

 

[veliki krang]

Zapravo je, i zato sam napisao 99,9 a ne 100%

Pronaći ćemo još stvari, recimo u mom gradu su pogodili toplanu, nema veze sa vojnim ciljem, klasična civilna infrastruktura. I to još u prvih par dana bombardovanja.