Rat u Gruziji

Jos jedna utopija....

Nije to utopija...to je mogucnost...
Ja se barem nadam da u Evropi nece dominirati atlantisticki koncept, koji je odneo apsolutnu pobedu slomom SSSR

Ali sve zavisi od nekih evropskih vecih drzava, narocito Nemacke, kakav stav ce da zuzmu u svojim odnosima sa Rusijom i koliko su sposobne da se oslobode uticaja SAD...

Jer cela dva poslednja veka su protekla u sukobu dva koncepta Evrope, atlantistickog i centralno-evropskog (pre svega rusko-nemackog), gde je porazen ovaj drugi medjusobnim ulazkom u sukob dve velike kontinentalne sile Nemacke i Rusije
 
Ne zaboravi Mađarsku i Čehoslovačku mada to i nisu bili neki ratovi, više kao intervencije da se uklone potencijalno opasni političari.

Pored Vijetnama, Ameri su ratovali u Panami, ostali sukobi u kojima su učestvovali su bili u sklopu nekih UN operacija ili međunarodnih snaga. Osim ako ne računaš i drugi svetski rat protiv Japana, Italije, Njemačke i njihoih saveznika. Možeš da uračunaš i rat protiv Meksika za osvajanje/oslobođenje Teksasa i da ne zaboravimo rat sa Englezima za nezavisnost. A kao vrh ratovali su i sami protiv sebe u građanskom ratu.

pa amerika je ratovala i u koreju vijetnam kambodzu laos nikaragvu honduras gvatemalu kubu kongo irak avganistan balkan angolu obalu slonovace liberiju grenadu a indirektno odnosno izazvala rat irak-iran izrael sa palestinci kolumbija peru bolivija ekvador bice uskoro i venecuela ondak sudan somalija a oces da ti kazem di je sve amerika postavila svoji presednici diktatori ko sto su onaj filipinski markos pa bio pinoce pa rezapahlavi pa neunistivi said iz saudijsku arabiju pa citava gomila africki presednici pa pakistanski pervez pa kod nas milosevic tudjman taci izetbegovic pa danas milo u crnu goru pa uskoro canak u vojvodinu.
 
Neka onaj sa 22000 gazi onog slabijeg sa svih 22000,nemam nista protiv zato mu i tenkovi sluze,ali ipak nije u redu da Rusija bez razloga tj. samo da bi se dokazala rusi onu malu zemlju (Gruziju)!! Jesi uspeo da shvatis poentu onih postova??:mrgreen:

covece pa zar ti ne shvatas da je napad gruzije na osetiju ustvari americki napad na rusiju.
ameri oce gruziju u nato a rusi ne daju.to je poenta
 
Zavrsila se Grusijska oluja nad Osetijom.

Krimska crnomorska flota blokira dostavku oruzija morskim putem.
Cisti se poslednjih nekoliko brda ispod Cinhvali, gruzijska vojska se povlaci, oklopna tehnika i artiljerija ostavljena usled panike u pozadini.
Oficijalne cifre gubitaka sa gruzijske strane zvanicno se nec eiznositi.
Unisteno je 5 iz 6 gruzijskih vojnih aerodroma.
Azerbejdhzhanska nafta je zaustavljena, British Petroleum obustavlja rad na neodredjeno. Gruzijske naftne luke demolirane, nema mogucnosti za normalan rad naftnog tranzitnog sistema.
Rezervni polozaji gruzijske vojske, sa oko 2000 ljudi i dalekobojnom artiljerijom oko grada Gori su unisteni.
Osnovna gruzijska udarna grupa od 2000-3000 ljudi i oko 150 tenkova i oklopnih vozila tokom dva dana bila je zatvorena a zatim prebijena na tri dela i u delovima je napustila Cinhvali. gubici se procenjuju na do hiljadu mrtvih i ranjenih vojnika i oko 60 oklopnih vozila.
Sve artiljerijske baterije i sistemi grad oko Cinhvali juce i danas su unisteni masovnim bombardovanjem vatrenih polozaja na brdima. Brda su zatim vecinom zauzeta danas.
Abhazija i Rusija juce i danas ocistile su kodorski klanac i Gruzija je sada u ratu na dva fronta. Trazili su tri puta primirje u roku od 6 sati.
Abhazske jedinice ulaze u severni deo Kodora i po celoj liniji fronta zauzimaju pojas bezbednosti i izlaze na liniju borbe prsa u prsa duzinom cele granice.
Ultimatum o povlacenju sa linije Abhazske granice istice u ovom trenutku. Ulttimatum o povlacenju iz osetije je istekao, povukli su se, ali usled nedostatka politicke volje da se prizna poraz i potpise obaveza o nenapadanju na osetiju - bombardovanje i gonjenje na jug se nastavlja.
Rusija pokrece svoj tribunal za sudjenje Mihailu Saakasvili i odgovornim vojnim licima za genocid nad osetinskim narodom. Vojni tuzilac pokrenuo je istragu, fakti se dokumentuju, tuzba ce uskoro biti podignuta.

mislim da je vreme da zatvorimo ovu temu. ne treba biti zlurad i do kraja sramotiti nase evroatlantske saveznike. neka predahnu malo, bice bolje drugi put.
 
Putin odlikovao Mesica, zashto?

Предсједник Хрватске и посљедњи предсједник СФРЈ Стјепан Месић добио је данас у Москви медаљу "60 година побједе" на церемонији у дворцу у Кремљу - јавио је дописник СРНЕ из Москве.

Стјепан Месић имао је 1945. само 10 година. На списку награђених поред његовог имена не стоји никакво образложење зашто је награђен.

Осим њега, медаље су добили предсједник Грчке Карлос Папуљас, који је лично, као четрнаестогодишњак, учествовао у покрету отпора; предсједник Албаније Алфред Моисиу зато што је 1943-44. основао омладинску организацију за борбу против фашизма; бивши предсједник Кипра Главкос Кларидис као војни пилот; а бивши предсједник Пољске Војћех Јарузелски као ратни командант.
 
Znaci podrzavamo duple standarde kad nase doope nije u pitanju a ne podrzavamo kad jeste.

podrzavamo sve sto nam je u interesu.

a nije nam u interesu da u svetu postoji samo jedna super sila zvana USA jer je ona neprijateljski nastrojena prema SRbima.

U interesu Srba je da postoji sto vise super sila po mogucstvu jos najmanje dve prijateljske kao sto su Rusija i Kina

Zato ja navijam da Rusi satru Gruzine kao sto ce i satreti u buducnosti i Ukrajince.
 
Zavrsila se Grusijska oluja nad Osetijom.

Krimska crnomorska flota blokira dostavku oruzija morskim putem.
Cisti se poslednjih nekoliko brda ispod Cinhvali, gruzijska vojska se povlaci, oklopna tehnika i artiljerija ostavljena usled panike u pozadini.
Oficijalne cifre gubitaka sa gruzijske strane zvanicno se nec eiznositi.
Unisteno je 5 iz 6 gruzijskih vojnih aerodroma.
Azerbejdhzhanska nafta je zaustavljena, British Petroleum obustavlja rad na neodredjeno. Gruzijske naftne luke demolirane, nema mogucnosti za normalan rad naftnog tranzitnog sistema.
Rezervni polozaji gruzijske vojske, sa oko 2000 ljudi i dalekobojnom artiljerijom oko grada Gori su unisteni.
Osnovna gruzijska udarna grupa od 2000-3000 ljudi i oko 150 tenkova i oklopnih vozila tokom dva dana bila je zatvorena a zatim prebijena na tri dela i u delovima je napustila Cinhvali. gubici se procenjuju na do hiljadu mrtvih i ranjenih vojnika i oko 60 oklopnih vozila.
Sve artiljerijske baterije i sistemi grad oko Cinhvali juce i danas su unisteni masovnim bombardovanjem vatrenih polozaja na brdima. Brda su zatim vecinom zauzeta danas.
Abhazija i Rusija juce i danas ocistile su kodorski klanac i Gruzija je sada u ratu na dva fronta. Trazili su tri puta primirje u roku od 6 sati.
Abhazske jedinice ulaze u severni deo Kodora i po celoj liniji fronta zauzimaju pojas bezbednosti i izlaze na liniju borbe prsa u prsa duzinom cele granice.
Ultimatum o povlacenju sa linije Abhazske granice istice u ovom trenutku. Ulttimatum o povlacenju iz osetije je istekao, povukli su se, ali usled nedostatka politicke volje da se prizna poraz i potpise obaveza o nenapadanju na osetiju - bombardovanje i gonjenje na jug se nastavlja.
Rusija pokrece svoj tribunal za sudjenje Mihailu Saakasvili i odgovornim vojnim licima za genocid nad osetinskim narodom. Vojni tuzilac pokrenuo je istragu, fakti se dokumentuju, tuzba ce uskoro biti podignuta.

mislim da je vreme da zatvorimo ovu temu. ne treba biti zlurad i do kraja sramotiti nase evroatlantske saveznike. neka predahnu malo, bice bolje drugi put.

ROKAJ SNIMAJ
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Zavrsila se Grusijska oluja nad Osetijom.

Krimska crnomorska flota blokira dostavku oruzija morskim putem.
Cisti se poslednjih nekoliko brda ispod Cinhvali, gruzijska vojska se povlaci, oklopna tehnika i artiljerija ostavljena usled panike u pozadini.
Oficijalne cifre gubitaka sa gruzijske strane zvanicno se nec eiznositi.
Unisteno je 5 iz 6 gruzijskih vojnih aerodroma.
Azerbejdhzhanska nafta je zaustavljena, British Petroleum obustavlja rad na neodredjeno. Gruzijske naftne luke demolirane, nema mogucnosti za normalan rad naftnog tranzitnog sistema.
Rezervni polozaji gruzijske vojske, sa oko 2000 ljudi i dalekobojnom artiljerijom oko grada Gori su unisteni.
Osnovna gruzijska udarna grupa od 2000-3000 ljudi i oko 150 tenkova i oklopnih vozila tokom dva dana bila je zatvorena a zatim prebijena na tri dela i u delovima je napustila Cinhvali. gubici se procenjuju na do hiljadu mrtvih i ranjenih vojnika i oko 60 oklopnih vozila.
Sve artiljerijske baterije i sistemi grad oko Cinhvali juce i danas su unisteni masovnim bombardovanjem vatrenih polozaja na brdima. Brda su zatim vecinom zauzeta danas.
Abhazija i Rusija juce i danas ocistile su kodorski klanac i Gruzija je sada u ratu na dva fronta. Trazili su tri puta primirje u roku od 6 sati.
Abhazske jedinice ulaze u severni deo Kodora i po celoj liniji fronta zauzimaju pojas bezbednosti i izlaze na liniju borbe prsa u prsa duzinom cele granice.
Ultimatum o povlacenju sa linije Abhazske granice istice u ovom trenutku. Ulttimatum o povlacenju iz osetije je istekao, povukli su se, ali usled nedostatka politicke volje da se prizna poraz i potpise obaveza o nenapadanju na osetiju - bombardovanje i gonjenje na jug se nastavlja.
Rusija pokrece svoj tribunal za sudjenje Mihailu Saakasvili i odgovornim vojnim licima za genocid nad osetinskim narodom. Vojni tuzilac pokrenuo je istragu, fakti se dokumentuju, tuzba ce uskoro biti podignuta.

mislim da je vreme da zatvorimo ovu temu. ne treba biti zlurad i do kraja sramotiti nase evroatlantske saveznike. neka predahnu malo, bice bolje drugi put.

A Ukrajinci shto se bune da nece da prime crnomorsku flotu natrag u luke?
 
Hitler Jugend = Nashi??

Nashi (Russian: 'Молодежное движение «Наши»', 'Youth Movement "Ours!"') is a government-funded youth movement in Russia. [1] It positions itself as a democratic anti-fascist movement. Its creation was encouraged by senior figures in the Russian Presidental administration [2], and by late 2007, it grew in size to some 120,000 members aged between 17 and 25.

The organization is seen by most Russian liberals as Russian President Vladimir Putin's version of the Soviet Komsomol. Some commentators in the West have likened it to the Hitler Youth. [3][4] Sergei Markov, a Kremlin adviser, stated in 2005 that Nashi "[wants] Russia to be a modern, strong and free country... their ideology is clear: it is modernization of the country and preservation of its sovereignty with that."[5]Contents [hide]
1 Foundation
2 Beliefs and goals
3 Notable events and incidents
4 Annual Camp
5 Other uses
6 See also
7 References and notes
8 External links


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Foundation

The movement was officially announced by Vasily Yakemenko, (leader of the pro-Putin Walking Together youth movement) on 1 March 2005. The founding conference was carried out on 15 April 2005. It is believed that Nashi was established mainly as a reaction against Ukraine's Orange Revolution in 2004, in which youth-led street protests helped give the presidency to pro-Western candidate Viktor Yushchenko.

Yakemenko claims to have constituted Nashi as a movement to demonstrate against what he saw as the growing power of Nazism in Russia and to take on skinheads in street fights if necessary.[6] While officially, its funding comes from pro-government business owners,[7] it is widely reported that the group also receives direct subsidies from the Kremlin.[8] The logo of United Russia, the ruling political party in Russia that is closely aligned with President Putin, currently appears at the bottom of Nashi's official website.

Nashi's close ties with the Kremlin have been emphasised by Deputy Presidential Chief of Staff Vladislav Surkov, who has met the movement's activists on numerous occasions, delivering speeches and holding private talks. It has been speculated that the Kremlin's primary goal was to create a paramilitary force to harass and attack Putin's critics "enemies of the State".[9] At one event for political education in summer 2006, the Kremlin advisor Gleb Pavlovskii told members of Nashi that they "lacked brutality": "you must be prepared", he went on, "to break up fascist demonstrations and prevent with force any attempt to overthrow the constitution".[10]

The National Bolsheviks have accused Nashi of leading attacks on their members, including one in Moscow in August 2005.[11] Liberal youth leader Ilya Yashin has also denounced Nashi as a cover for 'storm brigades' that will use violence against democratic organizations and claimed that their formation is only part of Putin's fear of losing power in a manner similar to the Orange Revolution of Ukraine.[12] One young National Bolshevik, Roman Sadykhov, joined Nashi's sister organisation Rumol (Rus Molodaya, or Young Russia) in order to investigate its activities. He claimed that Rumol had formed a group of 'Ultras' to conduct street battles against members of the opposition.[13] Their training included the construction of smoke bombs. He secretly taped meetings he had attended. At one of the meetings, senior Kremlin staffer Vladislav Surkov said that he found the training for street combat 'terrifically interesting'.[14]

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Beliefs and goals

Walking Together leader Vasilii Yakemenko said in 2005 that the goal of the new "anti-fascist" movement is to put an end to the "anti-Fatherland union of oligarchs, anti-Semites, Nazis, and liberals." Several Moscow-based newspapers suggested the goal of the group is actually a bit more specific: to eventually replace the party of power, Unified Russia.[15] Not all of its goals are politically motivated however. Nashi organizes voluntary work in orphanages and old people's homes, and helps restore churches and war memorials. It also pickets shops accused of selling alcohol and cigarettes to minors, and campaigns against racial intolerance. [16]

One of the movement's main goals is preventing the introduction of foreign control in Russia. Russian newspaper Moskovskii Komsomolets quoted Yakemenko as saying that "organizations in Russia are growing, on the basis of which the U.S. will create groups analogous to Serbia's Otpor, Georgia's Kmara, or Ukraine's Pora. These groups are Eduard Limonov's National Bolshevik Party and Avant Garde Red Youth."[15] Yakemenko expressed his fears that Russia's fate may be similar to that of Ukraine which he considers to have become a "colony of the United States".[17]

The movement cultivates an unorthodox interpretation of the term "fascism", including that the Russian liberal leftist party Yabloko is fascist.[18] Nashi has been accused of recruiting skinheads and local hooligans to intimidate rival youth groups.[16] Such activities caused Gavin Knight, an editor for the New Statesman, to draw the conclusion that "Nashi’s true function was as a personality cult for Putin whose job was intimidate, bully and harass his opponents."[19]

A Nashi advertisement was described in a Time magazine article as "reminiscent of Soviet-era propaganda with its non sequitur acceleration of hysteria". The advertisement read: "Tomorrow there will be war in Iran. The day after tomorrow Russia will be governed externally!"[20] The Boston Globe said that "movement's brownshirt tactics certain evoke shades of Hitler Youth, as does the emphasis on physical fitness, clean living, and procreation for the Motherland".[21] Some view the emergence of this and, more recently, other similar organisations, such as Young Guard and Locals, as one of the signs of Russia under Putin "sliding into fascism, with state control of the economy, media, politics and society becoming increasingly heavy-handed".[22][23][24]

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Notable events and incidents

On June 26, 2005, with media present, President Vladimir Putin met with a group of Nashi members at his residence in Zavidovo, Tver Oblast. He expressed his support for the group, described as "awestruck" by his presence.[25]

In August 2005 Putin officially invited Yulia Gorodnicheva (b. December 16, 1985), an undergraduate student of Tula State University, one of the members of Nashi he had invited to the Zavidovo meeting, to become a member of the Public Chamber of Russia[26], but she refused to be selected by the President and on November 15, 2005, entered the second part of the chamber as a representative of Nashi. There she became a member of the Commission on Social Development.[27]

In 2006 members of Nashi conducted a campaign against the British ambassador in Moscow, Tony Brenton, as he attended an opposition conference called Another Russia on July 11-12. He attended along with Putin opposition leaders such as Eduard Limonov, leader of the National Bolsheviks.[28] Unnamed British officials were reported to suspect that this campaign had been co-ordinated by elements within the Russian government as a punishment for the speech given by the ambassador.[29]

In April and May 2007, Nashi members held daily protests in front of the Estonian embassy in Moscow in protest of the moving of the Bronze Soldier of Tallinn to a military cemetery.[30][31] In response, in early 2008 Estonia placed some Nashi members on a European Union-wide immigration blacklist.[32]

On May 2 2007, they blocked the cars of both the Estonian and the Swedish ambassadors.[citation needed]

On July 24, 2007, Putin met with Nashi, Young Guard and Young Russia and attacked Great Britain over the Alexander Litvinenko affair, stating, "“They are making proposals to change our Constitution, which are insulting for our nation and our people...It’s their brains, not our Constitution, which need to be changed."[33]

In December 2007 the movement was reported to be planning to send a select group of activists to study at British universities, arguably despite its disdain for Britain and its harassment of the British ambassador in Moscow. They said: "We lag behind in knowledge and experience vital for making Russia a 21st-century world leader. British education is rated highly all over the world. The graduates of British universities are in great demand. This is because of the high quality of education and also control from the government."[34]
 

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