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Ne, ovo je jednostavno, ti nisi sposoban da shvatiš, a sve jasno piše. Dovoljno je da pročitaš i to je to.
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Pa on je licno ispalio tu raketu!
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Он ни бицикл не зна да вози, а не да испали ракету, него мантра будалаштине.
Misliš kao ameri kada su skinuli iranski putnički avion?
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Flight MH17: Russia and its changing story
When a Dutch team revealed this week what caused the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 air disaster in eastern Ukraine, their inquiry steered clear of saying who fired the missile that brought the plane down, killing all 298 people on board.
But Russian officials immediately complained the inquiry was biased, keen to absolve the Moscow government of any blame.
And deep within the report, months of disagreement are revealed between the Russians and the Dutch Safety Board (DSB) in what soon resembles a blame game.
Under the rules of international crash investigations, the DSB has no authority to apportion blame, although board chairman Tjibbe Joustra said later that pro-Russian rebels had been in charge of the area from where the fateful missile was fired.
For months, Russian experts directly challenged the DSB's findings, and all the while the Russian arguments constantly appeared to change.
It was like a high-stakes game of chess: one side waiting for the other to move, then analysing it and trying to hit back with a counter argument.
Ukraine's government and several Western officials have said the missile was transported into a rebel-held area from Russia. The Dutch-led criminal investigation has already published photos of the launcher being moved around rebel areas.
But Moscow has always denied having anything to do with the tragedy.
A few days after the air crash Russia's Ministry of Defence suggested the Boeing 777 was downed by an air-to-air missile. It said Russian radar had spotted a Ukrainian fighter jet 3-5km (2-3 miles) away from the plane.
In July 2015, Russia's investigative committee repeated the allegation, saying the missile "was not produced in Russia". And this version was widely promoted by Russian state TV, with one channel even showing an experiment involving a fighter jet firing on an old plane.
But then the story switched, and Russian missile company Almaz-Antey blew up another plane to prove MH17 had been downed by a BUK surface-to-air missile.
In another apparent chess move, Moscow was now arguing that MH17 was brought down by a rocket launched from Ukrainian government-held territory, although it acknowledged it was missile made by Almaz-Antey.
Almaz-Antey, which produces the BUK launcher and anti-aircraft missiles, and the Ukraine Research Institute were both asked by the DSB to calculate the path of the rocket.
The Russian specialists worked out a wide area to the south and south-east of the town of Snizhne. The Ukrainians determined a significantly smaller area but within the area identified by the Russians.
Based on that, the Dutch Safety Board calculated a large area from which the missile may have been launched. It is almost twice the size of the area calculated by the Russians.
However, after the Russians presented their findings to the DSB, they used their own simulation to argue that the missile must have been launched further west, from Zaroshchenske, which was at the time in Ukrainian-controlled territory.
This village lies some 20km (12 miles) away from the area that Almaz-Antey first suggested the DSB.
It was, apparently, another Russian move in this weird, chess-like investigation.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34538142
When a Dutch team revealed this week what caused the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 air disaster in eastern Ukraine, their inquiry steered clear of saying who fired the missile that brought the plane down, killing all 298 people on board.
But Russian officials immediately complained the inquiry was biased, keen to absolve the Moscow government of any blame.
And deep within the report, months of disagreement are revealed between the Russians and the Dutch Safety Board (DSB) in what soon resembles a blame game.
Under the rules of international crash investigations, the DSB has no authority to apportion blame, although board chairman Tjibbe Joustra said later that pro-Russian rebels had been in charge of the area from where the fateful missile was fired.
For months, Russian experts directly challenged the DSB's findings, and all the while the Russian arguments constantly appeared to change.
It was like a high-stakes game of chess: one side waiting for the other to move, then analysing it and trying to hit back with a counter argument.
Ukraine's government and several Western officials have said the missile was transported into a rebel-held area from Russia. The Dutch-led criminal investigation has already published photos of the launcher being moved around rebel areas.
But Moscow has always denied having anything to do with the tragedy.
A few days after the air crash Russia's Ministry of Defence suggested the Boeing 777 was downed by an air-to-air missile. It said Russian radar had spotted a Ukrainian fighter jet 3-5km (2-3 miles) away from the plane.
In July 2015, Russia's investigative committee repeated the allegation, saying the missile "was not produced in Russia". And this version was widely promoted by Russian state TV, with one channel even showing an experiment involving a fighter jet firing on an old plane.
But then the story switched, and Russian missile company Almaz-Antey blew up another plane to prove MH17 had been downed by a BUK surface-to-air missile.
In another apparent chess move, Moscow was now arguing that MH17 was brought down by a rocket launched from Ukrainian government-held territory, although it acknowledged it was missile made by Almaz-Antey.
Almaz-Antey, which produces the BUK launcher and anti-aircraft missiles, and the Ukraine Research Institute were both asked by the DSB to calculate the path of the rocket.
The Russian specialists worked out a wide area to the south and south-east of the town of Snizhne. The Ukrainians determined a significantly smaller area but within the area identified by the Russians.
Based on that, the Dutch Safety Board calculated a large area from which the missile may have been launched. It is almost twice the size of the area calculated by the Russians.
However, after the Russians presented their findings to the DSB, they used their own simulation to argue that the missile must have been launched further west, from Zaroshchenske, which was at the time in Ukrainian-controlled territory.
This village lies some 20km (12 miles) away from the area that Almaz-Antey first suggested the DSB.
It was, apparently, another Russian move in this weird, chess-like investigation.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34538142
KESH
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Nemoguće je da su Rusi oborili avion, jer kak Njofra sam kaže, oni su neprecizni.
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To nije isto! Kad demokracija rokne 300 ljudi onda to nije toliko loše, i sigurno je bio neki opravdan razlog.
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Flight MH17: Russia and its changing story
When a Dutch team revealed this week what caused the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 air disaster in eastern Ukraine, their inquiry steered clear of saying who fired the missile that brought the plane down, killing all 298 people on board.
But Russian officials immediately complained the inquiry was biased, keen to absolve the Moscow government of any blame.
And deep within the report, months of disagreement are revealed between the Russians and the Dutch Safety Board (DSB) in what soon resembles a blame game.
Under the rules of international crash investigations, the DSB has no authority to apportion blame, although board chairman Tjibbe Joustra said later that pro-Russian rebels had been in charge of the area from where the fateful missile was fired.
For months, Russian experts directly challenged the DSB's findings, and all the while the Russian arguments constantly appeared to change.
It was like a high-stakes game of chess: one side waiting for the other to move, then analysing it and trying to hit back with a counter argument.
Ukraine's government and several Western officials have said the missile was transported into a rebel-held area from Russia. The Dutch-led criminal investigation has already published photos of the launcher being moved around rebel areas.
But Moscow has always denied having anything to do with the tragedy.
A few days after the air crash Russia's Ministry of Defence suggested the Boeing 777 was downed by an air-to-air missile. It said Russian radar had spotted a Ukrainian fighter jet 3-5km (2-3 miles) away from the plane.
In July 2015, Russia's investigative committee repeated the allegation, saying the missile "was not produced in Russia". And this version was widely promoted by Russian state TV, with one channel even showing an experiment involving a fighter jet firing on an old plane.
But then the story switched, and Russian missile company Almaz-Antey blew up another plane to prove MH17 had been downed by a BUK surface-to-air missile.
In another apparent chess move, Moscow was now arguing that MH17 was brought down by a rocket launched from Ukrainian government-held territory, although it acknowledged it was missile made by Almaz-Antey.
Almaz-Antey, which produces the BUK launcher and anti-aircraft missiles, and the Ukraine Research Institute were both asked by the DSB to calculate the path of the rocket.
The Russian specialists worked out a wide area to the south and south-east of the town of Snizhne. The Ukrainians determined a significantly smaller area but within the area identified by the Russians.
Based on that, the Dutch Safety Board calculated a large area from which the missile may have been launched. It is almost twice the size of the area calculated by the Russians.
However, after the Russians presented their findings to the DSB, they used their own simulation to argue that the missile must have been launched further west, from Zaroshchenske, which was at the time in Ukrainian-controlled territory.
This village lies some 20km (12 miles) away from the area that Almaz-Antey first suggested the DSB.
It was, apparently, another Russian move in this weird, chess-like investigation.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34538142
