Fatos Lubonja - Skenderbeg je Sloven

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Gledaj godine knige Mrkalj , a ima jos jedno 100 iste ko sto rekoh :)
osim knige od istoricara u to vreme ima i pismo od njega , koj sebe zvao Arbër ili kod vas Arbanas .
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@ Arberi:

Jedan clovik je davno pisao o Skenderbegovom podrijetlu:





I commentari di Theodoro Spandugino... dell'origine
de' principi Turchi, et de' costumi di quella natione, Fiorenza, 1551.



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Ovde lepo piše da je po nacionalnosti Srbin. Nađi ti, Arberi, gde piše da je po nacionalnosti Albanac, pa ćemo zaključiti da postoji potreba za disusijom na temu. Ovako, EOD. :kafa:
 
Posle izdaje srpsog despota, koji nije dozvolio skenderbegu da udje u teritoriju srbiju i da se ujedini sa huniadom vojskom protiv Sultana, Skenderbeg je masakrirao i plackao cele srpske krajine u srbiju, uzas vladao u srpske sele. On je stvorio mnogo srpske teritorije u paljene zemlje. srpski depspot nikad nije oprostio to skenderbegu

MARIN BARLETI 1460-1510 " Zivot Gjegja Kastriota - Skenderbega"


i druge dokumente Vatikana, Venedika i Otomanski

Ta plackas lopov sljamcina,majka mu je bila Srpkinja.Kakav je to Albanac koji je hriscanin?
 
Dobro, gdě piše da je Skenderbeg Albanac, poslědnji put pitam?

hmm , evo ti jos jednom , citaj dobro ako nisi u prethodne procitao ALBANESI
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Djaba se mucis , ta je stvar u cetiri strane sveta potvrdjeno .

Ta plackas lopov sljamcina,majka mu je bila Srpkinja.Kakav je to Albanac koji je hriscanin?
Kakvo je to pitanje ?
Zar nema Albanaca hrscana danas ?

ovde takodje
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Poslednja izmena:
The letter to Skanderbeg:
ÒGiovanni Antonio, Prince of Taranto, to Georgio albanese, greeting.
(Conveniva a te?), that the luck you had shown in the war with the enemies of the Christian religion, which sometimes had forced combat, then leaving that field, you came to Italy to drive your armies against Christians? What cause do you hold against me? What have I done against you? What controversies do they make between us? You have spoiled my territories and are crudely giving vent against my subjects, and first you have (mosso?) the war that (proposta?). You boast that you are a great warrior for the Christian religion and (pur?) yet you persecute this (geate?) which for every reason is called Christianity. You have turned your iron against the French of the Kingdom of Sicily. Perhaps you have thought to take the army against the effeminate Turks that you are accustomed to wounding in the back.
You will find other men who all support your proud appearance (?) and no one will avoid your face. Our Italian soldiers will challenge you very well and have no fear of the Albanese. We already know your generation and respect the Albanese like sheep, and it is an embarrassment to have such cowardly people for enemies; (neÕ?) would you have embarked on such a business if you had stayed to dwell in your house. You have avoided the onslaught of the Turks, and not having the power to defend your own house, have thought to invade other peopleÕs. You are deceitful. Instead of a new house you are looking for your grave.
Goodbye..... .Ó
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto:

Code:
ÒGiorgio, gentleman of Albania, to Giovanni Antonio, Prince of Taranto, greeting.
Having made a truce with the enemy of my religion I have not wanted that my friend remain (fraudato) of my aid. (Spesse?) times, Alfonso, his father, invited my help while I waged war against the Turks. Therefore I would be very ungrateful if I had not resisted (lÕistesso?) service to his son. I remember what your king did because now (non deve vedere succedergli? ) this who is his son? You adored his father, and why now do you try to throw out his son? Where did this power come from? Who has the power to set up the King of Sicily, you or the Roman Pontiff?
I came to aid Ferrante, son of the king and seat of the Apostolica. I came opposing your unfaithfulness and innumerable great betrayals in this kingdom. (NeÕ?) will you ever be unpunished for your perjury. This is the reason for my war against you. I merit this no less than I merited making war against the Turks, nor are you less Turk than them. (ImperoccheÕ vi sono alcuni?) that guide you in a straight line not to be of some sect. You my opponents the French and the names of those people, and those for the religion wage grand war.
I do not want to dispute ancient matters with you, matters that perhaps were much less than what was told about them. Certainly in our times the Aragonese armadas have often coursed the Aegean Sea, have plundered the Turkish coasts, have (riportata?) the prey of the enemies; and even today the Aragonese armies defend Troja from the jaws of the enemy. Why do I remember the old things and leave the new parts? If they change the family costumes and the plowmen of the kingdom, and the kings of the plowmen return? (NeÕ troverai nobilitaÕ piuÕ antica della virtuÕ.)
Nor can I deny that you are not with the obnoxious French nation, (imperoccheÕ) you being mainly in aid of King Alfonso, you hunted the French of this kingdom. I do not know now what new virtue shines in this. Perhaps it is some new star that you have now seen among the French?
Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. My elders were from Epirus, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies.
I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep? In the past the Albanese have (fatto?) experience if the Pugilese were armed; (neÕ) I would again find some who would have been able to aspired to my nature. I have well noted from the back how many of your soldiers are well armed but have never been able to see their helmets or (tanpoco?) the face except those that have become prisoners. (NeÕ?) I seek your house (Bastandomi? ) my own. Besides, it is well known that you often would have shot your neighbors for their possessions, as now you would force out the king of your house and your kingdom.
(Che se?) If I fall in the difficult task I have embarked on I will be buried as (mi vai?) wishing in your letter, will bring back my soul as a reward from the Chancellor of the universe, of God. Not only will I have perfected my intention, but also I will have planned and attempted some distinguished deed.
Good bye....Ó "
Translated this draft from Italian to English. - **** Vara, 1997
 
posle 300 godina vi srbi ce da proglasite ENVER HOXHU ko srbin, ADEM JASHARU itd, SKENDERBEG vas ubio i kazete da je bio Srbin nije cuda da to recite i za drugih.

evo primerak :

MILOS KOPILICI albanski heroj jednog klana ( Dragonskog klana ) sa Skenderbegom , vi kazete da je Srbin dok on nema veze sa Srbima samo sto je bio albanski ortodoksa,

Decko batali droge, sport je majka.
 
hmm , evo ti jos jednom , citaj dobro ako nisi u prethodne procitao ALBANESI
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Djaba se mucis , ta je stvar u cetiri strane sveta potvrdjeno .

Da, da, sve četiri strane sveta, tj. svuda gde ima albanske mafije... :zcepanje:

Dakle, ne tražim od tebe ništa posebno, samo da priloge koje postavljaš ne tumačiš kako si zamislio, već kako jeste. Knjiga je na portugalskom i u naslovu piše:

ĐORĐE KASTRIOTA
ZVANI SKENDERBEG
KNEZ EPIRA I ALBANIJE


I Josip Broz Tito je bio predsednik kosovskih Albanaca, pa ga to mije činilo Albancem. :kafa:

Nađi ti lepo mesto na kojem piše da je po nacionalnosti Albanac, pa se javi da zajedno konstatujemo da postoji razlog za diskusiju na tu temu.

U međuvremenu ostaje ovo:

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:bye:

Ovo je poslednji apel na zdrav razum. I mean it.
 
Poslednja izmena:
Милован Ђилас је 1960-тих објавио мемоарску књигу под називом "Разговори са Стаљином". Парафразирам један дијалог из сећања.

Стаљин: Нису ли Албанци словенског порекла?
Ђилас: Нису, они потичу од Илира
Стаљин: Откуда онда толико словенских топонима у Албанији?
Ђилас: Зато што су пре Турака Албанци живели у планинама, а Словени у долинама
Стаљин: Нису ли Албанци бар мало Словени?
Ђилас: Нису
Стаљин: Допустићу вам да прогутате Албанију.
Ђилас заћутао запрепашћен.
 
Da, da, sve četiri strane světa, tj. svuda gdě ima albanske mafije... :zcepanje:

Dakle, ne tražim od tebe ništa posebno, samo da priloge koje postavljaš ne tumačiš kako si zamislio, već kako jeste. Knjiga je na portugalskom i u naslovu piše:

ĐORĐE KASTRIOTA
ZVANI SKENDERBEG
KNEZ EPIRA I ALBANIJE


I Josip Broz Tito je bio prědsednik kosovskih Albanaca, pa ga to mije činilo Albancem. :kafa:

Nađi ti lěpo město na kojem piše da je po nacionalnosti Albanac, pa se javi da zajedno konstatujemo da postoji razlog za diskusiju na tu temu.

U međuvrěmenu ostaje ovo:

Ovo je poslědnji apel na zdrav razum. I mean it.

A mucio si me da znas ..
Titu zadrzi ako tebi treba , on nas nije potreban i nikad nije bio , nego obrnuto ..
Kao prvo Princ Epira dovoljno govori , ako nisi znao tamo su ziveli albanci i danas zive .
DRUGO , VRTIS SE TIM TVOJOM KNIGOM PO DESET PUTA , JER FALI TI DRUGE :)
dok ja postujem sve od srednovekovn vreme i sve razlicite autore :mrgreen:
Ovde ti pise Kralj Albanaca ,
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Epirus, Epirus with this voice, which sounds to us earth firm, Leandro & Lirineo called a part of Albania, the other Part of Albania is colled Macedonia that ends at the Ionian sea
Epirus wos in the past the kingdom of Pirrus, the famous king, in the going of time Epirus wos governed by his duke, Lord Georg Kastriotta known as Scanderbeg the terror of the Turks
Lezha: where wos bureid the brave A Scaderbec, who for his achievements deserved to be colled the King of the Albanian
Then there are the Acroceraunie or Ceraunie in Epirus, by the moderns are colled Cimere, & the country of Epirus, Albania, is inhabited by those who call themselves christian Albanians
:bye::bye:
 
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