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Koji narodi imaju negaciju "jo" ?
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| engleski | kurdski | ALBANSKI | turski | gruzinski |
| mother | dê | nënë | anne | deda |
| father | bav | baba | baba | mama |
| man | mêr | njeri | adam | kats’i |
| child | zarok | fëmijë | çocuk | bavshvi |
| dog | seh | qen | köpek | dzaghli |
| cat | pisîk | Mace | kedi | kata |
| egg | hêk | vezë | Yumurta | kverts’khi |
| one | yek | një | bir | ert’-ert’i |
| two | du | dy | iki | or |
| three | sê | tre | üç | sam |
| four | çar | katër | dört | ot’kh |
| five | pênc | pesë | beş | khut’ |
| ten | deh | dhjetë | on | at’i |
| no | na | jo | yok hayır | ar |
| yes | erê | po | Evet | diakh |
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А ко има негацију охи?
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Azerbejdžanci?
Ali se "da" ne slaže. Eno ga odmah ispred na 3:19 u snimku, mada p i b mogu da se povežu.
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Sasvim sigurno je današnji albanski jezik prošao kroz turkijski filter pre nego što je romanizovan (nautika, trgovina) i srbizovan (životinje). Mislim da je severno pleme došlo tek sa turcima, a južno sa juga italije i Sicilije kolonizovano u slovensku Albaniju tokom 11 veka. Ti azijski migranti su ognjem i mačem uslovili albansku etnogenezu na slovenskom i, u priobalju, romanskom prostoru. Vidiš da azijski migranti i danas imaju tendenciju da nameću svoje običaje gde god se pojave. Te psihičke crte su genetski uslovljene.
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Quote 1:
The term "Arberesh" originated in Albania and is still used by some southern Albanians, although the name "Shqipetar" is becoming popular. The name "Arberesh" is believed to be of Norman origin. When the Normans arrived in Albania during the thirteenth century they called the region "Arborea", and referred to the people as forest dwellers.
The Italo-Albanian Villages of Southern Italy, By George Nicholas Nasse
https://books.google.ca/books?id=Vj...#v=onepage&q=Arborea Normans Arberesh&f=false
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Albanian race designates itself by two general names: the name of Mirdites, derived from Persian Mardaites (braves), now applies to the noblest part of the population, and seems like the words German, Slav, Frank, having been originally a title of honor; name Shkipetars (inhabitants of the rocks) designates the people in general.
Revue des Deux Mondes - 1842 - tome 31. page 358.
The term "Arberesh" originated in Albania and is still used by some southern Albanians, although the name "Shqipetar" is becoming popular. The name "Arberesh" is believed to be of Norman origin. When the Normans arrived in Albania during the thirteenth century they called the region "Arborea", and referred to the people as forest dwellers.
The Italo-Albanian Villages of Southern Italy, By George Nicholas Nasse
https://books.google.ca/books?id=Vj...#v=onepage&q=Arborea Normans Arberesh&f=false
Quote 2:
Albanian race designates itself by two general names: the name of Mirdites, derived from Persian Mardaites (braves), now applies to the noblest part of the population, and seems like the words German, Slav, Frank, having been originally a title of honor; name Shkipetars (inhabitants of the rocks) designates the people in general.
Revue des Deux Mondes - 1842 - tome 31. page 358.
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Имамо и ми Срби негацију јо(к), или јок?
1) Mardaites in Asia Minor
Author(s) : Makripoulias Christos (13/12/2005)
Translation : Velentzas Georgios
For citation: Makripoulias Christos, "Mardaites in Asia Minor",
Encyclopaedia of the Hellenic World, Asia Minor
URL: <http://www.ehw.gr/l.aspx?id=7807>
http://www.ehw.gr/asiaminor/forms/fLemmaBodyExtended.aspx?lemmaID=7807
i) Later on (in the 9th century), a part of the Mardaïtes moved to the themes of the Peloponnese, Nicopolis (including the lands of Epiros and Etoloakarnania) and Kephalenia; in those regions they continued to serve as crew members of thematic fleets.6 Towards the late 9th century, the Mardaïtes of the Peloponnese took part in the campaigns in Sicily, while in 911 and 949 a large number of Mardaïtes from the three themes (more than 5000 in the first case, 3000 in the second) participated in the campaigns against the Arabs of Crete.
ii) The settlement of the Mardaïtes in Asia Minor and mainland Greece affected the ethnological composition of the population in those regions. According to a document of the Latin sovereigns of Corfu dated 1365, which ratifies an earlier (1246) decree of Michael II, the ruler of Epirus, referring to a «decarhia Mardatorum»
2) Sathas says that the Mardaites were divided into two bodies, of which one was scattered throughout Hellas (Greece), especially Epirus, where to the present day their descendants are called Mirdites, while the other division was ultimately settled in the Cibyraiot theme.
A History of the Later Roman Empire: From Arcadius to Irene (395 A.D. to 800 ...
By John Bagnell Bury
https://books.google.ca/books?id=K1...v=onepage&q=Sathas Mardaites Mirdites&f=false
Author(s) : Makripoulias Christos (13/12/2005)
Translation : Velentzas Georgios
For citation: Makripoulias Christos, "Mardaites in Asia Minor",
Encyclopaedia of the Hellenic World, Asia Minor
URL: <http://www.ehw.gr/l.aspx?id=7807>
http://www.ehw.gr/asiaminor/forms/fLemmaBodyExtended.aspx?lemmaID=7807
i) Later on (in the 9th century), a part of the Mardaïtes moved to the themes of the Peloponnese, Nicopolis (including the lands of Epiros and Etoloakarnania) and Kephalenia; in those regions they continued to serve as crew members of thematic fleets.6 Towards the late 9th century, the Mardaïtes of the Peloponnese took part in the campaigns in Sicily, while in 911 and 949 a large number of Mardaïtes from the three themes (more than 5000 in the first case, 3000 in the second) participated in the campaigns against the Arabs of Crete.
ii) The settlement of the Mardaïtes in Asia Minor and mainland Greece affected the ethnological composition of the population in those regions. According to a document of the Latin sovereigns of Corfu dated 1365, which ratifies an earlier (1246) decree of Michael II, the ruler of Epirus, referring to a «decarhia Mardatorum»
2) Sathas says that the Mardaites were divided into two bodies, of which one was scattered throughout Hellas (Greece), especially Epirus, where to the present day their descendants are called Mirdites, while the other division was ultimately settled in the Cibyraiot theme.
A History of the Later Roman Empire: From Arcadius to Irene (395 A.D. to 800 ...
By John Bagnell Bury
https://books.google.ca/books?id=K1...v=onepage&q=Sathas Mardaites Mirdites&f=false
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Da, to je valjda turcuzam.
Jedino što čuh da na 9:32 zove kćerke:"Maro, Biljo, ..."
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A sto samo prvih par minuta ?
Jel hoces nama ovome nesto dokazati ili sta vec ?
Rauumijes zi uopste u cemu se prica ?
Imas engleski prijevod.
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Koliko sam ja upucen, samo jos jedan deo-grana, davno iseljenog naroda.
Znam sta hoces time kazati, ali dokazati ces veliko "NISTA"
A koji narodi imaju negaciju "NE" ?
A sto samo prvih par minuta ?
Jel hoces nama ovome nesto dokazati ili sta vec ?
Rauumijes zi uopste u cemu se prica ?
Imas engleski prijevod.
Ваљда хоће да каже да је добар део (можда кључан ако гледамо на грчку побуну/револуцију 1821) грчке нације је заправо албанског етничнког порекла (т.ј. Арванити)
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@Teofan šta na albanskom znači reč nuk i reč mos ?
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То су негације, с тим што mos значи немој углавном.
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To i jeste tako, ali nesto sumnjam da je on-a bas to htje-o-la da kaze.
drugi oblici-primjeri negacija.
znaci imamo razlicite izraza negacija : JO, NUK, S' , MOS, . . .
kao na srpskome, ne, necu, nemoj, itd.
takoje.
inace sam ti ostao duzan jedno objasnjenje ili repliku na jednome tvome postu na drugu temu.
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Не волим да ми дугују..
Viennese researchers upset traditionally minded Albanians by pouring cold water on the theory that the Albanian language has its roots in Ancient Illyria.
Matzinger points put that when the few surviving fragments of Illyrian and Albanian are compared, they have almost nothing in common.
“The two are opposites and cannot fit together,” he says. “Albanian is not as the same as Illyrian from a linguistic point of view.”
Austrian Scholars Leave Albania Lost for Words
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/austrian-scholars-leave-albania-lost-for-words/
Matzinger points put that when the few surviving fragments of Illyrian and Albanian are compared, they have almost nothing in common.
“The two are opposites and cannot fit together,” he says. “Albanian is not as the same as Illyrian from a linguistic point of view.”
Austrian Scholars Leave Albania Lost for Words
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/austrian-scholars-leave-albania-lost-for-words/
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Indoevropski.
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@Carlin15
Interesantna stvar piše u toj knjizi na str. 161-162:
"The emin-i defter specifies whether they are Albanian (Arnavudan); these are both the Albanians and the Albanian Vlachs that settled in the area in the late fourteenth century, ..."
"It should be noted however that the extent to which many apparently Slavic or Slav-origin toponyms derive from Albanian immigrants who settled in Greece and were bearers of Slavic toponym is a problem open to researh"
Po tome se može zaključiti da su nekim delom Albanci ili albanski Vlasi govorili neki od slovenskih jezika.
Interesantna stvar piše u toj knjizi na str. 161-162:
"The emin-i defter specifies whether they are Albanian (Arnavudan); these are both the Albanians and the Albanian Vlachs that settled in the area in the late fourteenth century, ..."
"It should be noted however that the extent to which many apparently Slavic or Slav-origin toponyms derive from Albanian immigrants who settled in Greece and were bearers of Slavic toponym is a problem open to researh"
Po tome se može zaključiti da su nekim delom Albanci ili albanski Vlasi govorili neki od slovenskih jezika.
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Tako je.
