BRUCE LEE i JEET KUNE DO

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Evo da pocnem sa ovom temom jer se mnogi hvataju za Brus Lija itd. Pa za njegov JKD i sta je to i sta nije. Prekopiracu prvo nekoliko stvari odnosno opste cinjenice pa cemo onda krenuti na temu deo po deo.
Bruce Lee je svakako najpoznatija , a verovatno i najvaznija licnost u svetu kineskih stilova borenja ,a neosporno je najpostovaniji lik u svetu brilackih vestina.
Njegov doprinos razvoju borilackih vestina je ogroman , i visestruk . Pre svega on je medju prvima izneo Kineske borilacke vestine na svetlost dana i poceo da bez obzira na rasu , veru ili poreklo , poducava sve bez razlike.
I mada je bilo delimicnih primera prenosenja znanja kung fu-a ne-kinezima, Bruce Lee je prvi koji to uradio javno i masovno , bez obzira na prepreke koje imao od strane svojih sunarodnika.
Dalje, njegov doprinos se ogleda u tome sto je shvatio kojim putem ce se borilacke razvijati i prvi krenuo tim istim putem , dajuci primer generacijama kasnijih praktikanata borilackih vestina .
Njegov stil borenja , nazvan Jeet Kune Do (put prisretajuce pesnice) je u stvari prvi MMA (ali ne kao danasnji vec mesavina Wing Chun-a,Macevanja,Boks-a), gde je Bruce na osnovu svojih prakticnih iskustava , i poznavnja razlicitih stilova borenja , stvorio sistem koji se mogao prilagoditi svakom pojednicu , sto i jeste bio njegov cilj.
On je svoj sistem borenja oslobodio formalnosti , i razvio nacin treninga koji omogucava praktikantu da na najbolji moguci nacin iskoristi sve svoje potencijale , i da u rukama ima fleksibilan sistem borenja koji ce mu omoguciti adekvatnu rakciju na svaku potencijalnu situaciju.
Danas , toliko godina posle nastanka Jeet Kune Do-a imamo pravu poplavu stilova koji se baziraju na istim principima , mada je tehnicka podloga veoma sarolika .
Mislim da bi tema trebala da se bavi ne samo vestniom Buca Lee-ja vec svim aspektima njegovog zivota i rada , i molim sve ucesnike foruma da doprinesu temi svojim znanjem i kometarima.

Da krenemo sa cinjenicama. 1940-1956
Bruce Lee ili na kantoneskom Lee Jun Fan ili kasnije poznatiji u Hong Kong-u kao Lee Siu Lung (Lee mali zmaj) je rodjen 27.11.1940 u San Franciscu. Kao dete je vec poceo sa snimanjem filmova. Ali ajmo odmah poceti sa bor vestinama. Ucio je vec od svoje 6 godine Tai Chi Chuan ili Tai de Kuen (na Kantoneskom) od svog oca Lee Hio Chuen-a koji je bio majstor te vestine. Ali ga nesto nije mnogo odusevio Tai Chi jer je bio i suvise zivahan dabi bio miran pri izvodjenju Tai Chi-a. Sa 13 godina je krenuo da vezba kod Yip Man-a koji je bio poznanik Brusovog oca jer je i rusova porodica rodom iz Foshana odakle je i Yip Man rodom. Sa 16 godina Brus odlazi da studira u Ameriku. Kao rodjeni amerikanac je imao pravo na US drzavljanstvo sto je za njega i dobro bilo jer je kroz njegov temprament stalno upadao u ulicne tuce po Hong Kong-u i mnogo puta zavrsavao u bolnici kao i njegovi protivnici.
Zanimljivo jeste da je stalno pokusavao da primeni i isproba ono sto je kod Yip Mana ucio i poprilicno se u Honk Kongu i dobro snalazio sa Wing Chun-om jer je bio prosecne visine kao i svi ostali kinezi.

 

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Od 1956 pri stizanju u Ameriku je Brus poceo sa poducavanjem a i sa razmenom vestina sa drugima majstorima odnosno prakticarima. Na koledzu je ujedno i poceo malo rekreativno sa macevanjem, oko 1958 to mu je i dalo ideju da korake iz macevanja preuzme i ubaci u svoj nacin borenja.
Sa 20 godina dakle negde oko 1960 je vec dosta poznanstva imao u svetu US borilackih prakticara. Sto razne Kung Fu prakticare tako i Karatiste,Dzudiste i Rvace. Obozavao je Muhamed Ali-a da gleda.
Jedan od njegovih kasnijih ucenika ce biti Larry Hartstell koji je bio Golde Glove bokser i od kojeg ce Brus dosta nauciti i preuzeti u njegov JKD.
Ali o tome kasnije. Ime JKD se pojavljuje tek oko 1963. A do tada se njegov stil zvao Lee Jun Fan Gung Fu. Jedan od njegovih prvih ucenika je Taki Kimura pa odmah posle njega i Jesse Glover. Jesse i dan danas poducava i njegov stil naziva danas Non Classical Kung Fu (NCKF). Jedan njegovih najboljih ucenika je iz Svajcarske i zivi u Zenevi a poreklom je iz Bazel-a a zove se Pierre Hartmann.
Elem naziv JKD nije jos nastao. Brus je eksperimentisao i isprobavao kako bi sta moglo ici itd.
Danas se JKD gleda u 3 faze Brusovog razvoja. Prva je Sijetl,druga Ouklend,treca Los Andjeles.
E sada je stvar u tome da JKD iz prve faze nema mnogo dodirnih tacaka sa recimo trecom. Druga je upravo na sredini Brusovog razvoja kao borca i ucitelja.
Malo cu kasnije pisati o detaljima.

 

[g.goran]

Klasičan wing chun stil , sa kojim je započeo svoj put, razvijen je 400god. pre njegovog vremena.
Da bi razumeo dzit kun do, čovek mora odbaciti sve ideale, šablone i stilove.
Džit kun do koristi sve puteve i nijednim nije vezan, a koristi i sve tehnike i sredstva koja služe njegovom cilju. U džit kun do se prilazi idejom da ovladate voljom.
Treba zaboraviti na pobede i poraze, na ponos i bol. Neka vaš protivnik grize vašu kožu a vi udarajte u njegovo meso, neka on udara u vaše meso, a vi lomite njegove
kosti, neka on lomi vaše kosti, a vi uzmite njegov život.- neki citati iz Brusove knjige.

Brus je neprekidno tragao, učio i analizirao sve distupne informacije u vezi sa BV. Imao je čak i svoju biblioteku i preko 2000 knjiga, vezanih za sve oblike BV.
1970-te je dobio ozbiljnu povredu leđa, ovo je verovatno bio i najteži period u njegovom životu, jer je bio najviše obeshrabren. Ali tada je odlučio da napiše knjigu, koju svima preporučujem
Tao i Džit Kun Do. Nažalost, nikad je nije završio do kraja, zbog karijere vezane za film. Knjiga je predviđala 7 tomova, popunila je samo jedan.
Treba napomenuti da ova knjiga nema pravi završetak, jer se Brusova veština menjala iz dana u dan. Npr, 5 načina za napad je započeo poglavljem-imobilizacija šake, kasnije je smatrao
da je to previše ograničavajuće, pošto su imobilizacije mogle biti primenjene i na noge i ruke, i na glavu. To jednostavno zapažanje pokazuje svu ograničenost prišivanja etiketa bilo kom
konceptu.
Džit kun do nema određene granice, već samo one koje vi sami postavite!

 

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Ovo ti je iz knjige Tao o Dzit Kun Do-u. Samo sto ima ta knjiga jednu manu nije pisana odneosno jeste je Brus pisao ali je nije on izdao, nego je njegova zena izdala knjigu nakon njegove smrti. Nije znala niti redosled njegovih zapisa niti dali to sve treba da ide u knjigu niti koliko su bili stari zapisi i crtezi.

 

[g.goran]

Znam, i napisao sam da nije završena, Linda ju je izdala. Uglavnom odlična je knjiga iz više razloga, jer ima gomilu stvari koje su jako bitne a detaljno su objašnjene.
Tao i Džit Kun Do pokazuje koliko napredan je bio Brus Li za njegovo vreme.
Mana je i ta što je trebala da bude izdata u 7 tomova, pa nije, ali bolje i ovako nego ništa.

 

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Evo stavicu nekoliko primera sta je dobar i los JKD
Evo recimo nekoga ko nije shvatio sustinu toga sto je Brus hteo

Mislim da ce svi videti i spoznati sta valja a sta je sviranje i jeftin pokusaj da zgrnu novac imenom Brusa Lia....

 

[tigrovakandza]

Evo stavicu nekoliko primera sta je dobar i los JKD
Evo recimo nekoga ko nije shvatio sustinu toga sto je Brus hteo

Mislim da ce svi videti i spoznati sta valja a sta je sviranje i jeftin pokusaj da zgrnu novac imenom Brusa Lia....

Master Wong ima svoj stil i to se bas vidi na snimcima..
Sto se tice drugog klipa.. ova devojka ima skroz los stav i oslonac na prednjoj nozi..
Treci klip je klasicno presretanje udaraca nogom i rukom koje je vrlo dobro upotrebiti tokom sparinga i krenuti u kontra napad..
Na cetvrtom klipu ima dosta mesanih stvari i vidi se da se primenjuje i wing chun.. ok klip..
A Bruce Lee je nesto posebno.. legenda na koju se treba uvek ugledati i tim tempom vezbati kao sto je on to radio.. do savrsenstva...

 

[bRu zLi]

Predator kako ti se cini ovo?

 

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Ovo je ok klip, to su Ted Wong (koji je ucitelj Jeremy Lynch-a kojeg sam stavio) i Richard Bustillo. Ujedno je i ucitelj Tommy Carruthers-a koji je od skoro moj ucitelj. Inace je Tommy ucio od Jesse Glover-a pa onda od Ted Wong-a.
Evo kratak snimak Tommy-a

 

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@tigrovakandza
4 snimak je ok, ali nema wing chun-a kako si ga ti okarekterisao jer se Mustafa nikada nije bavio WC-om. On je dosta vezbao Okland JKD. Pozdrav

 

[svemocn1vidar]

Ko zeli "Tao of Jeet Kune Do" u pdf. varijanti nek posalje pp.

 

[bRu zLi]

najbolje da uploadujes pa da nam samo iskopiras link za skidanje....

 

[svemocn1vidar]

najbolje da uploadujes pa da nam samo iskopiras link za skidanje....

Nemam link. Odavno imam to. Jako je dobar kvalitet a moze i da se zipuje. Pa ko zeli,ipak na pp.

 

[Hetman]

Mozda je ovo dobra prilika da se neke stvar ivide iz manje-vise prve ruke.

Dubljanin je tranirao dirketno sa Danom Inosantom, kao drugim instruktorima is JKD i "povezanih" vestina.

 

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Caos
A kako mislis iz prve ruke ?
Pozdrav

 

[Hetman]

Dubljanin je tranirao dirketno sa Danom Inosantom, kao drugim instruktorima is JKD i "povezanih" vestina.

Zato i rekoh "manje-vise"...danas se u ogromnoj vecini svi slazu da Inosanto nije bio samo ucenik Brusa Lija, vec u nekoj meri i ko-kreator JKD-a.
Inace, bio sam na dva seminara sa Bobom i odlican je instruktor, materijal je vrlo lepo i relevantno odabran, te dobro obradjen.

 

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Jeet Kune Do Techniques: Ted Wong Shows You How to Fix 14 Mistakes
Like the people who run most magazines, we at Black Belt love to look at surveys — in particular, surveys that tell us what you want to read. Back in the 1970s, those surveys told us you were interested in kung fu self-defense moves and jeet kune do moves.

In the ’80s, it was taekwondo techniques, ninjutsu techniques and jeet kune do techniques. In the ’90s, it was kenpo, Brazilian jiu-jitsu and jeet kune do. In the 2000s, it’s been the mixed martial arts and — you guessed it — jeet kune do.

To serve up an article about the one fighting art that has remained on everyone’s radar ever since Bruce Lee began showcasing it in movies, we talked with Ted Wong, the man many claim was Bruce Lee’s No. 1 disciple. In 2006, Ted Wong was inducted into the Black Belt Hall of Fame as Man of the Year for his ongoing efforts to propagate JKD around the world. Who better to turn to for advice on fixing the mistakes students make in their jeet kune do techniques?

Sadly, Ted Wong passed away on November 24, 2010. Before his passing, however, he shared with us the 14 mistakes he encountered most often and offered advice from his decades of experience.

Jeet Kune Do Techniques Mistake #1: Wrong Origins
Not all aspects of JKD punching stem from wing chun kung fu, Ted Wong says. “Much of the JKD being taught today is based on wing chun structures. I have a lot of respect for wing chun, but it’s not JKD. In fact, the majority of Bruce Lee’s notes in Tao of Jeet Kune Do are from boxing and fencing.

Learn how the boxing techniques of Muhammad Ali and Joe Louis influenced Bruce Lee’s development of jeet kune do techniques in this FREE Guide — Bruce Lee Training Research: How Boxing Influenced His Jeet Kune Do Techniques.

“One of the most important phrases in his notes and in the Tao comes from a boxing book: ‘The essence of fighting is the art of moving at the right time.’ But you have to move and think like a fencer because mobility is the key in JKD or any fighting art.”



Jeet Kune Do Techniques Mistake #2: Wrong Balance
Bruce Lee taught that the key to balance is having your head positioned vertically over the line that connects your feet, Ted Wong says. “If it’s not and your opponent forces you to move backward, you have nowhere to go while staying balanced.”

Even worse, you can’t follow up when your balance is off. You’re basically limited to your initial jeet kune do moves, be it a punch or a kick, because you’re not in a position to throw another one with any power, he says.

In some instances — specifically, when your opponent is backing up after your first strike — you’ll need to pursue him with follow-up shots. That’s when you really have to keep your head over the line between your feet so you can quickly close the distance.



Jeet Kune Do Techniques Mistake #3: Wrong Stance

Bruce Lee developed the JKD stance for a reason: It serves a fighter well in the greatest variety of situations. All the more reason not to abandon it as you face different opponents — a grappler, for instance.

“If you make your stance too wide, you cannot move,” Ted Wong says. “A grappler will pick you up and throw you to the floor. If you keep the proper stance while your opponent shoots for your front leg, however, you can quickly move back and hit him.”

Remember to keep your balance forward for maximum power, he adds.

In order to execute jeet kune do moves correctly, you need the proper JKD stance. To construct the right stance, imagine a line between you and your opponent. The toe of your front foot should be on that line, as should the arch of your rear foot. An isosceles triangle is formed with your lead toe at the top and your rear heel and rear toe at the bottom vertexes.

“If you have an open stance like a boxer, that line will point away from your opponent, and you’ll lose your power structure,” Ted Wong says. “One key part of JKD is, it’s not how fast you hit or how much muscle you have; it’s that you have that power structure. You have to keep it intact no matter how or where you move. When you’re off, you lose power and mobility.”


Jeet Kune Do Techniques Mistake #4: Wrong Understanding

You can’t rely on one or two forces in jeet kune do moves. You need three, Ted Wong says. “The first is vertical. Your stance is slightly down to begin with, and then you strike as you rise. It’s normally used in the uppercut.

“The second force is linear, which means you’re moving forward. It’s what powers the lead-hand strike.” Obviously, footwork is important to create that forward motion.

“The third is rotational,” Ted Wong says. It emanates from twisting your hips and is the force that powers the hook punch and hook kick.

Jeet Kune Do Techniques Mistake #5: Wrong Distance

“Perhaps the most common mistake people make when learning JKD is [related to] distance, Ted Wong says. “If you have the wrong distance, you cannot get your technique or combination off, and you might get hit. So it’s critical to be able to judge distance.”

The philosophy, which derives from fencing, is simple: Stay far enough out of reach to prevent your foe from touching you with a punch or kick — and from being able to lean and touch you. If he wants to make contact, he’ll have to take a step. Obviously, you’ll have to do the same to reach him, but because you’re trained to close that gap, it’s easier for you.


Jeet Kune Do Techniques Mistake #6: Wrong Timing

“Nobody throws a punch like in JKD,” Ted Wong claims. And that’s why it’s so hard for the average martial artist to master jeet kune do techniques. When developing timing in your jeet kune do moves, Ted Wong advocates memorizing a motto from fencing: Hand before foot always.

“You can see reference to it in the Tao,” he says. “Your hand moves before your feet move. It comes from Aldo Nadi, who was a four-time Olympic medalist in fencing. It enables you to bridge the gap and land the shot.”


Jeet Kune Do Techniques Mistake #7: Wrong Defense

Too many students lean away from their opponent to avoid a punch. Ted Wong calls the remedy to this mistake “half-half sharing.” Instead of merely leaning, your upper body is angled backward to cover half the distance needed for your evasive movement and your footwork covers the other half.

That gives you a margin of safety, and it doesn’t leave you out of range or off-balance, either of which could preclude a counterattack, he says.


Jeet Kune Do Techniques Mistake #8: Wrong Flow

Another mistake beginners make is separating their forward step from their lead-hand strike — in essence, they step, plant their foot on the ground and then punch. It’s way too slow, Ted Wong says.

The preferred way to execute jeet kune do moves is to make sure that when you land your blow, your front foot isn’t on the ground yet, Ted Wong says. “When you hit, it’s one, two, three. One is your fist hitting his face, two is your front foot hitting the ground and three is your rear foot hitting the ground after the step.”

Jeet Kune Do Techniques Mistake #9: Wrong Power Source

The power of your jeet kune do moves should come from your rear leg, not from your arms. “You channel the power from your back leg through your body and into your punch,” Ted Wong says.

Jeet Kune Do Techniques Mistake #10: Wrong Angles

Jeet kune do combat isn’t just a back-and-forth exchange of blows. It’s two-dimensional. That second dimension comes from moving off to the side when you’re confronted by an attack.

“Angling can put you in a safer position to counter from,” Ted Wong says. “For example, at the same time you move in for a punch to counter your opponent’s punch, you angle to the outside of his arm so he can’t hit you with his counterattack. It’s a built-in safety.”
Jeet Kune Do Techniques Mistake #11: Wrong Approach

In JKD, you shouldn’t just step toward your opponent and try to score with a punch, Ted Wong says. Even if you execute the attack correctly, success is hard to come by because he can react before you land the shot.

The right way to enter is with a stop-kick — for example, using your lead leg to attack his lead leg or body, whether he’s moving forward or not. Then you launch your punch as your front foot comes down. Make sure to angle off to the outside as you strike, Ted Wong adds.

Jeet Kune Do Techniques Mistake #12: Wrong Punching

Many martial artists throw the rear-hand punch while their fist is vertical, but that creates less than optimal bone alignment, Ted Wong says. The right way according to JKD is to turn your fist so your elbow is pointing slightly up — so your pinkie knuckle is higher than your index-finger knuckle. That orientation aligns the bones in your forearm with the ones in your hands for maximum structural integrity.

It also raises your upper arm, which protects your chin. In contrast, if you punch with your fist vertical, your upper arm will be lower, thus exposing your chin to a counterattack.

Jeet Kune Do Techniques Mistake #13: Wrong Kicking

One of the most serious mistakes Ted Wong has identified involves practitioners who lean backward while kicking. It’s bad for many reasons, he says. First, you sacrifice power whenever you lean backward. Second, you probably won’t have a chance to land more than one technique because your arms can’t reach him from your compromised position. “It’s a one-shot deal for you,” he says.

Third, you might fall — more than a few fighters have taken a tumble in the ring or on the street because they’re off-balance after such a technique. Fourth, if you have to struggle to avoid falling, you could very well find yourself hopping backward to regain your balance, and that’s not good.

In lieu of leaning in your jeet kune do moves, you should keep your balance forward as required by the JKD stance.

 

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Jeet Kune Do Techniques Mistake #14: Wrong Reaching

Punching is a highly effective subset of Bruce Lee’s art, but it’s often sabotaged when beginners lean too far forward to hit in their jeet kune do moves. “In JKD, we start from farther back — just like in fencing — so if all you’re going to do is lean, you won’t make it,” Ted Wong says. “It’s too far, which is why footwork is important to cover the distance.

“In boxing, it all takes place within arm’s reach. I touch you and you touch me. But in fencing, if I touch you and you touch me, we both get killed. It’s about who can bridge the gap and get in quicker to score. JKD students think the same way.”

 

[bRu zLi]

Au brate, aj prevedi sve ovo. Mislim savrseno dobro razumem, ali kada nesto volim, volim da ga citam na svom jeziku.

Ne moras odmah, ali malo pomalo, prevodi svakog dana i pisi u wordu pa kad zavrsis prekopiraj ovde. Mislim da ce tako tema da dobije puno na znacaju nego da stavljamo na engleskom jeziku. Jer filosofiju Brus Lija (kao i svaku drugu) tesko da mozemo razumeti i na maternjem jeziku a kamoli na engleskom.

 

[vaske78]

Zanimljiv link
http://www.chriskentjkd.com/images/Article_Original_vs_Concepts.pdf

 

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Pozdrav nesto nece video snimak...yebg

 

[A-LEX]

Nekoliko primera dobrog JKD-a.

Pozdrav

 

[A-LEX]

Danas sam se vratio sa 2-o dnevnog seminara gde je Sifu Tommy Carruthers predavao. Bilo je izvanredno i vrlo poucno i naporno. Evo nekoliko reci poznatih Jeet Kune Do i Wing Chun instruktora o Tommy-u.
What others have said:

"When Tommy is on he reminds me of Bruce when I knew him. The first time that I saw him I told him that he punches like Bruce. Tommy is also a very powerful kicker. He has Bruce like speed and power and is more flexible than Bruce was.

If Tommy landed a full force strike in the center of a person's chest there is a chance that their heart would stop. He transfers an amazing amount of shock with his strikes. He has taken Bruce's ideas and turned them into a functional reality." - Jesse Glover (Bruce Lee's first student)

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"I've not met anybody on par with Bruce Lee except for Tommy Carruthers, who is better than Lee in some respects.

Let me say that Tommy is Bruce Lee #2, hands down. This is the baddest man around. I don't give out props lightly, so take note. There's a new martial star, and his name is Tommy Carruthers. If you are looking for a standard of excellence, look no further than this dude." - George Tan (Bruce Lee historian/film producer)

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"....the fastest hands I have ever seen!" - David Peterson (direct student of Ving Tsun legend Wong Shun Leung)

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"Tommy is a great JKD'er. But most important his students were also very good. This is important, because not all great martial artists can teach. Tommy can." - Tim Tackett, (JKD instructor of the Wednesday Night Group of Redlands, California)

 

[Mord]

Tao of JKD je štampan i na našem ko ga želi može se naći u knjižarama. Ja ga imam odavno kao i knjige metoda borbe i neke na engleskom od John Little-a. Volim JKD ali nije sve u borbi nešto je i u veštini dobrih starih tradicionalnih životinjskih i običnih kug fu stilova kojih radije vežbam.

 

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@Mord
Obrati paznju na reci Ted Wong-a koji je u vise tacaka razmatrao o tome sta je JKD a sta nije.
Pozdrav