Postepene ruske sankcije Estoniji?

Salvantis:
Ma da, mora da si ti si ebao Ruskinje pre 30 godina za farmerke iz Trsta...Koliko onda sad imas (verovatno oko 60 :D )

Kakve bre farmeke iz Trsta, kakve gluposti, o cemu ti uopste pricas?! Kao da se ni u bivsoj SFRJ nisu proizvodile farmerke, nego smo morali da ih svercujemo iz Italije, sta li? A ovo ostalo necu ni da komentarisem...
Pa to si u pravu ruskinjama nije bilo bitno dal su farmerke iz Trsta ili iz Novog Pazara.Nego sad ozbiljno to sto su Rusi sada na nasoj strani po pitanju Kosova donekle opravdava ono dupeuvlakacko saopstenje Vuka Draskovica al to ne cini sovjetski rezim lepsim i ne vidim cemu opravdavanje istog .
 
Samo neki izvodi:
A Chronology of Key Events in the Glorification of the SS in Estonia
11 JULY 1998

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Estonian SS legion veterans to rally in Tallinn
Estonian World War II veterans who fought among the ranks of the so-called NEstonian LegionO of the 20th Division of the SS will rally in Tallinn.

MAY 1999
Remains of last commander of 20th division of ss to be reburied

On 26 June, the remains of Colonel Alfons Rebane, the last commander of the 20th Division of the SS in Estonia, will be reburied.

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21 MAY 1999

The Estonian government has allocated 40000 kroon (8EEK/1DM) to bring the ashes of EstoniaOs SS division officer from Germany to Tallinn.

JULY 2000

On July 29 in Sinimae, northeast Estonia, a monument to SS soldiers has been erected. The NArmistice MemorialO, to which, as local press reports, the government allocated 2.5 million kroon, is dedicated to the legionaries of the SS 20th Division in Estonia.

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DECEMBER 2002
Estonia is rehabilitating an ss rottenfuher who participated in the excecution of hostages

For ten years, the justice system in the Republic of Estonia has been acquitting Estonian legionaries who were members of punishing missions against civilian populations and were executioners, whilst representing them as heroes.

NOVEMBER 2003
On 23 November in Parnu, Estonia, a monument was unveiled to Estonian Waffen SS division legionaries.

JUNE 2004
Estonian ss legion museum is operating in Estonia

In Parnu, Estonia, a new building for a private museum to Estonian SS Legionaries is under construction.

The number of visitors has been so great, writes the paper, that the museum owner, Leo Tammiksaar, had to commence construction of a new two-storey building.

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MAY 2004
A monument to ss standartenfuhrer Alfons Rebane has been erected in north Estonia near the town of Viitna.

JULY 2004
Members of parliament attended the SS legionaries rally

The rally of former soldiers of HitlerOs army that took place on 6 June in Tallinn has sparked a strong response both in Estonia itself, as well as beyond its borders. Approximately 1500 people attended the 12th rally of former Nazis and NForest BrothersO. Attendees paraded in the Kadriorg, a Tallinn stadium.

It is possible that the rally of former Nazis would not have been so controversial if elderly Hitlerites were the only ones to attend; however, the fact that Urmas Reinsalu, Estonian parliament constitutional committee chair; Trivimi Velliste, parliament deputy and former Minster of Foreign Affairs and Lennart Meri, the countryOs former president were present lent the rally a significance beyond a simple meeting of brothers-in-arms.


FEBRUARY 2005

Europe SS members to meet at Tallinn monument unveiling

Representatives of veterans from Germany, Denmark, Netherlands, Wallonia, and Norway expressed a desire to come to Tallinn. The veterans fought for fascist Germany.

FEBRUARY 2005
The defence ministry of Estonia has embarked on nazi propaganda in schools

As the press secretary for EstoniaOs Defence Ministry reported to REGNUM News Agency, Defence Minister Jaak Joerutt sent cards commemorating the 87th anniversary of the Estonian Republic to Estonian schools, together with educational materials for military/patriotic courses, which are taught in 73 Estonian schools.

APRIL 2005
Fascist unrest reaches residential buildings

Today, 5 April, Molodezh Estonii reports that on the night of 1 April in the Tallinn district of Lasnamae, where many of the Russians in Tallinn reside and which certain radical politicians call a Russian ghetto, fascist youngsters defaced the entrance to a nine storey building on Laanemere Street. They wrote anti-Russian slogans and drew fascist symbols: why did not Germany win?


MAY 2005
German neo-nazis have expressed support for Estonia and Lithuania presidents

A meeting held at BerlinOs Alexanderplatz under red-and-white banners of the National Democratic Party of Germany (NPD) drew together over two thousand neo-nationalists from throughout Germany. Speakers supported the decisions of the presidents of Estonia and Lithuania to refuse to celebrate the victory over fascism in Moscow.


MAY 2005
Head of nomme in Tallinn district, welcomed estonian veterans, nazis

Attendees at the meeting expressed a belief that NATO and the EU will defend EstoniaOs independence and wonOt condone another 1939O. Nazi veterans stated that they believe a 9 May celebration in Estonia, to be Nin bad tasteO.


MAY 2005
Prime minister to lay flowers at the monument to the 20th division of the nazi SS

The Estonian government intends to lay flowers at the Nazi memorial during the 60th anniversary celebration of the Victory over fascism. But it refused to lay flowers at the neighbouring monument to the Soviet soldiers who fell in battles for the Baltics.

JULY 2005
SS veterans rally in Tartu

On 16 July, a rally took place in Tartu for veterans of the 20th Division of the SS and the "Forest Brothers" formations from Baltic countries, Finland, Sweden.


NOVEMBER 2005
Estonian government allocated money to erect a monument to fascism

At a meeting on 10 November, the Estonian government decided to allocate 89,700 kroon to cover expenses related to transporting and erecting a monument in honour of the 60th anniversary of battles to defend Estonia from the anti-Hitler coalition.

The monumentOs removal sparked a so-called Owar against monumentsO and in September and October 2004, approximately 20 monuments and Soviet warrior gravestones throughout Estonia were vandalised.

FEBRUARY 2006

Fascist legacy honoured in Parnu on holocaust memorial day
On Friday, 27 January, on international Holocaust Memorial Day, about 1000 candles were lit on the graves of German army personnel in Parnu

MARCH 2006
Estonian government regards the day of Tallinnos liberation from fascism as a day for occupation victims

APRIL 2006
Memorial to victims of fascism desecrated in Estonia

Vandals desecrated a monument to the victims of fascism in Kalevi Liiva, Estonia. The monument is situated at the site where prisoners of war and Jews were executed during World War II.

MAY 2006
Estonian defence minster thanked those who fought on the side of fascist germany

On 8 May Jurgen Ligi, Defence Minister of Estonia took part in the ceremony at the Maarjamaa monument commemorating the end of World War II.

MAY 2006
Prime minster of Estonia: the monument to those who fought fascism irritates me
Today 25 May Estonian Prime Minister Andrus Ansip held a press conference in Tallinn. He answered a question about the possible transfer of a monument to Soviet warriors and liberators said that the presence of the monument Nirritates him personally.


JUNE 2006

The Estonian government allocated resources to a museum with a monument to SS soldiers

Today, 8 June, the Estonian government took a decision to allocate 375000 kroon (about 25000 euro) to the private Estonian Liberation Movement Museum in the town of Lagedi.

It bears repeating that a monument in front of the museum in Lagedi depicts a soldier in Nazi uniform with the NEstonian LegionO 20th Division of the SS insignia.


JULY 2006

Estonian prime minister Andrus Ansip: estonians fight against the red army is a heroic deed

Prime Minister Adrus Ansip thinks the Estonians who fought on the Hitler Germany side against the Red Army committed a heroic deed.
Your struggle was a heroic deed that should be praised today and in the future.

AUGUST 2006
Yet another monument to the SS unveiled in Estonia

On Saturday 26 August, by Lake Peipus in the village of Mehikoorma, Estonia, a monument to Estonian 20th Division soldiers who fought on the German side in World War II (refers to 20th Division of the SS -Regnum News Agency) was unveiled.


SEPTEMBER 2006
In Estonia, yet another monument to those who died in the struggle against fascism is desecrated

In Valga, Estonia, vandals have desecrated a monument to those who died fighting fascism. .

The desecrated monument honours the legacy of those held in a labour camp in Estonia. NIt must be stated that thus far, not one case of monument desecration has led to a meaningful trial against neo-Nazi crimes.

SEPTEMBER 2006
Estonian defence minister: Estonian sympathies were with nazi germany

Estonian Defence Minister Jurgen Ligi published an article in the Estonian newspaper.

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Sklanjati spomenik i prekopavati groblje, mogu samo ljudi koji strašno mrze.
Estonci su bili lapo/lapo i bilo je mnogo Hitler saveznika tokom 2.sv. rata.
Koliko znam, u Estoniji su na vlasti desničari i ne čudi me takav postupak oko ovoga.
Sve ono što im se dešavalo posle oslobođenja i od Staljina ne mogu se opravdati prekopavanjem groblja jer je neko za Boga dragoga poginuo par hiljada kilometara od svoga doma za nečiju slobodu.
 
Ovde je u pitanju ludacko unistavanje spomenika (i grobnice!) poginulih boraca, te divljacki napad estonske policije na mirne demonstrante, pri cemu je jedan mladic brutalno ubijen, a desetine drugih pretucene. Na stotine pohapsenih su potrpali u lucko skladiste, poput stoke, gde su ih panduri tukli i posle privodjenja.

Kakve sankcije, da su ovo amerima uradili, odmah bi ih spalili sa zemljom (a i trebalo bi).

U Estoniji zivi veliki broj Rusa, prakticno trecina stanovnistva prema kojima se godinama primenjuje rezim slican aparthejdu, a ovo je jos jedna odvratna, bezobrazna provokacija estonske fasisticke vladice. Al' posto lizu dupe gazdama, kao sto su i Hitleru, cak su poslali i neku saku jada da pripomogne americku okupaciju Iraka, onda im se moze da se qrce.

Dakle u pitanju je SISTEMATSKO UNISTAVANJE SPOMENIKA boricima protiv fasizma u II sv.ratu, i podizanje NOVIH spomenika i muzeja pripadnicima SS formacija, cuvarima konc-logora i vodjama kaznenih ekspedicija.

Alo, ljudi, pa ako to nije neonacizam nego demokratija onda vam se serem i u takvu "demokratiju" i u takvu Uniju!
 
pa ne pričaj gluposti.

1. ne radi se o uništavanju spomenika, nego se obležje seli tamo gde mu je mesto: na groblje
2. Estonci kapiraju "oslobodjenje" kao okupaciju, i to opravdano
3. Jeste, Estonci su bili "sretni", kad su stigli Nemci uvereni, da će jih osloboditi, mada su jako brzo uvidelo, da to nije slučaj
4. Jeli je ko pomenu, da je u tom ratu izgubilo život (samo kao živi štit Crveni armiji) više od 50.000 Estonaca.
5. Pre rata je na ozemlju Estonije živelo cca 90% Estonaca i manjina i 10% Rusa, a posle rata je bio udeo 48% Estonaca i 52 % Rusa.
6. Da je danas manje Rusa nije stvar smanjivanja Rusa nego, što se je pomerila granica (naravno na štetu Estonije)
7. Fašizam je danes najprisotnji (najopasniji) baš u Rusiji.
8. Demonstrcije u Talinu i Moskvi (napadi na ambasade Švedske i Estonije) ni slučajno nisu bile mirne i su bile organizovane sa strane Kremlja.
 
ganjaman:
pa ne pričaj gluposti.

1. ne radi se o uništavanju spomenika, nego se obležje seli tamo gde mu je mesto: na groblje
2. Estonci kapiraju "oslobodjenje" kao okupaciju, i to opravdano
3. Jeste, Estonci su bili "sretni", kad su stigli Nemci uvereni, da će jih osloboditi, mada su jako brzo uvidelo, da to nije slučaj
4. Jeli je ko pomenu, da je u tom ratu izgubilo život (samo kao živi štit Crveni armiji) više od 50.000 Estonaca.
5. Pre rata je na ozemlju Estonije živelo cca 90% Estonaca i manjina i 10% Rusa, a posle rata je bio udeo 48% Estonaca i 52 % Rusa.
6. Da je danas manje Rusa nije stvar smanjivanja Rusa nego, što se je pomerila granica (naravno na štetu Estonije)
7. Fašizam je danes najprisotnji (najopasniji) baš u Rusiji.
8. Demonstrcije u Talinu i Moskvi (napadi na ambasade Švedske i Estonije) ni slučajno nisu bile mirne i su bile organizovane sa strane Kremlja.
Ti ne pricaj gluposti, a nauci i da pises umesto sto si bezobrazan i nevaspitan a nemas ni pet postova.
Uzas koliko si gresaka napravio u ovo malo teksta: 1."jeli", tj. je li, sem ako nisu nesto jeli; 2."najprisotniji", tj najprisutniji; 3."danes" tj danas; 4."Crveni armiji", tj CrvenOJ armiji; 5."sretni" tj srecni, sem ako ih nisu sreli na putu; 6."sa strane Kremlja", tj. od strane, sem ako nisu bili pored zgrade; 7."smanjivanja Rusa", valjda broja Rusa, sem ako nisu postali nizi rastom; 8."jih osloboditi", tj. ih osloboditi; 9."sto se je pomerila", tj. ne znas ni ti sam sta si hteo da kazes; 10."ozemlje", tj. nemam pojma, nikad cuo; ima jos, al' i ovo je previse....).

Smanji gudru, idi na lecenje, pa ako uspe (a sumnjam), onda pocni ponovo...
 
Tokom rata Estonija je bila jedna od najvecih baza (proporcionalno broju stanovnika) za regrutovanje SS dobrovoljaca, koji su pocinili veliki broj zlocina kako u samoj Estoniji, tako i u Rusiji, Belorusiji, Ukrajini, ubijajuci i Ruse i Jevreje (bilo je dvadesetak konc-logora na toj teritoriji, koje su vodili uglavnom sami Estonci).
Dakle pored svega sto sam naveo kao ocigledan dokaz ozivljavanja nacizma u Estoniji, dodao bih jos par cinjenica, na primer da nijedan zlocinac koji je ucestvovao u pokoljima u II.sv.ratu nije osudjen i pored obilja dokaza, vec se isti pustaju na slobodu...

Oni najgori:
Most wanted Nazi war criminals
10b. Harry Mannil
Arrested Jews and Communists who were then executed by Nazis and Estonian collaborators
Status: Cleared by investigation in Estonia

10a. Algimantas Dailide
Arrested Jews who were then murdered by Nazis and collaborators
Status: Deported from US; convicted, but later refused to implement his sentence of imprisonment.
 
Jerry Ropero:
podrska rusiji. **** mi se za estonce koji su u drugom svetskom ratu bili na stranu Nacista i ubijali Ruse. Nek crknu estonci zivela Rusija!
A jel ti se hebe za to sto su Rusi streljali na hiljade Poljskih oficira?Hebe li ti se za to sto su pokusali i Finsku da okupiraju.Razlike imedju nacisticke Nemacke i Staljinisticke Rusije gotovo da i nema.Hebe li ti se za to sto su 1945e silovali zene po Vovjodini kao oslobodioci, na sta su domaci komunci zmurili.Verovatno Estonci bolje znaju od tebe zasto mrze Ruse
 
pa i nije ta tvrdnja tako daleko od istine posto malo ,malo pa stigne neka vest kao su moskovski skinsi likvidirali nego od kavkaskih emigranata ili africkog studenta mislim ima nacista u skoro svim zemljama Evrope al su ovi ruski posebni jer su krenuli u ubijanje ljudi za razliku od ostalih koji jos samo reze.
 
Подижем тему да би се подсетили извора једне болести.
У овом случају русофобије
Узгред, цитирани је једном приликом рекао да воли руску културу и да су му Руси драги, баш ме занима који Руси и која руска култура :roll:

Eraserhead:
Blago Estoncima, tako i mi treba da otresemo Ruske pijandure.

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Ипак, зна се како су завршили нацисти и како ће увек завршити.
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Duh Sekire:
Подижем тему да би се подсетили извора једне болести.
У овом случају русофобије
Узгред, цитирани је једном приликом рекао да воли руску културу и да су му Руси драги, баш ме занима који Руси и која руска култура :roll:



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Ипак, зна се како су завршили нацисти и како ће увек завршити.
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Ma svakom tom nasem "rusofobu" poput Eraserhead ili Silent Bob - uhvatis ga, opalis mu jedan samar, razcmizdrice se i povuci ce rec bez inacenja, jer ipak su to gay-LDP-ovci, nikakva oni nisu ozbiljna pretnja... stoga nema frke :-)
 
wireless:
Ma svakom tom nasem "rusofobu" poput Eraserhead ili Silent Bob - uhvatis ga, opalis mu jedan samar, razcmizdrice se i povuci ce rec bez inacenja, jer ipak su to gay-LDP-ovci, nikakva oni nisu ozbiljna pretnja... stoga nema frke :-)

Ма си кларо брате!
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Ево, један (по властитом признању) русофоб се већ пријавио за порцију 8-)
 

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