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Како тим демонстрантима нико не објасни да се комунизам већ показао у пракси и да уопште није функционалан. Док капитализам доноси само просперитет и напредак. Погледајмо Србију и све ће нам бити јасно. Где смо били пре 11 година и где смо сад. Са плате од 2 Евра до плате од 400 Евра.
Милсим да МУП Србије треба да пошаље хитно пар елитних јединица у САД као испомоћ нашим пријатељима. То ће их дубоко дирнути и знаће да цене. Такође би било добро да се оформи једна добровољачка чета, па до добровољно жели да иде да брани демократију од разуларене руље да може да се пријави. Да иду рекламе и кајрони нон-стоп на јавном сервису са бројевима телефона. То би нам сигурно помогло и у процесу Евроатлантских интеграција, јер би се после тога Америка жестоко заложила за нас. Имамо велику шансу и не смемо да је пропустимо.
Милсим да МУП Србије треба да пошаље хитно пар елитних јединица у САД као испомоћ нашим пријатељима. То ће их дубоко дирнути и знаће да цене. Такође би било добро да се оформи једна добровољачка чета, па до добровољно жели да иде да брани демократију од разуларене руље да може да се пријави. Да иду рекламе и кајрони нон-стоп на јавном сервису са бројевима телефона. То би нам сигурно помогло и у процесу Евроатлантских интеграција, јер би се после тога Америка жестоко заложила за нас. Имамо велику шансу и не смемо да је пропустимо.
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Move to China for a job? Unemployed cope by leaving US
By Bob Sullivan
For years, American jobs have been exported overseas, to places like China or India. Now we're exporting our people there, too.
"I just got tired of how the economy was going back home. I just figured things had to better somewhere else," said Francine, a former real estate agent in Las Vegas who recently moved to Xi'an, in central China, for work.
She has two jobs, but says her standard of living is a little bit better than when she left Nevada. "It's kind of ironic -- the middle class in China is growing while the middle class in America is shrinking."
Francine, who spoke with msnbc.com on condition of anonymity, had never been to China before making the decision to move there with her husband, and she doesn’t speak Chinese. But she's found enough locals who speak her language, and "when I meet someone who doesn't speak English, I play charades with them." The couple moved into a small one-bedroom apartment where he works in the import/export business, and she works constantly as a freelance magazine writer and at a learning center. She said she was surprised by the difference she felt immediately in the way her new neighbors treated her.
"Being poor anywhere in the world is bad, (but) if you are broke in the U.S., people just do not treat you very well,” said Francine, who is 28 years old. “In China, people are still very polite and respectful regardless of your financial status and I like that."
There's no hard data on private-sector Americans working overseas. In 2004, the U.S. Census Bureau tried and abandoned an official count of the then-estimated 4 million Americans working outside the country. In 2009, the U.S. State Department said it believed there were 5.3 million Americans living overseas, but cautioned that the number was an out-of-date guess. That means there's no way to know for sure how many Francines there are. But the response to our recent series on "Crazy things Americans are doing to cope with the recession," and a collection of anecdotes from around the world, hints that many U.S. workers are performing the same analysis that multinational corporations have made -- life overseas is cheaper, and in some ways easier, than in America. Reversing a trend that’s perhaps 400 years old, workers are leaving America to find opportunity elsewhere.
“After the market crashed, the only jobs that were available were temp jobs, or jobs with very high turnover. Either way, I knew that I could not get by like that or even dare to save money,” Francine said. “So, after a grueling two month debate with myself, I finally decided to sell what little I had left of my belongings and put the rest in a small storage unit…and armed with $300, I flew to China.”
To be sure, even people like Francine still believe success in America is sweeter than anywhere else on the planet -- and she hopes to return to the U.S. when the economy recovers. (That’s why she requested anonymity; “I wouldn’t want a future employer to think I’m unpatriotic,” she said.). But she believes her best chance of riding out the current economic storm is far from her home port. And while she misses her laundry dryer, her car and being able to flush toilet paper down the toilet, living in China does offer some advantages.
"The cost of living is really cheap," she said. "I can go and get massages and manicures every week and it only costs about $13 for both. You can't get those prices back home. In fact, those were luxuries I cut out in order to save money."
Americans are finding their way to employment all around the globe. In the immediate aftermath of the financial crisis, many finance majors and investment bankers fled Wall Street for Hong Kong or other Asian destinations, where the banking industry was still thriving. With Australia benefitting from China’s economic growth, Americans are flocking there, too. Americans now rank third among those applying for work visas in Australia, behind only the U.K. and India, according the Wall Street Journal, and their ranks have swelled 80 percent in the past five years. The story cited an unemployed California construction worker who now earns as much as $50 an hour laying flooring in Australia. Canada, with its proximity making it the easiest ex-patriot option, has seen temporary work visa applications from U.S. citizens double from 2008 to 2010, thanks in part to an unemployment rate that's nearly 2 percentage points lower than its neighbor to the south. The thriving oil-charged economy in Alberta deserves much of the credit for that. Meanwhile, in 2009, when IBM laid off thousands of workers, the global giant offered jobs to those willing to relocate to India and other nations as long as they accepted “local terms and conditions.”
"I constantly receive emails from people saying something along the lines of, 'I can’t find a job here in the States so I want to go overseas,' ” said William Beaver, who runs a website for U.S. emigrants at OverSeasDigest.com. "At the very least, it seems that people may see it as a viable option."
Wally, who also requested anonymity, left the west coast of Florida to work in the United Arab Emirates about two years ago. One happy surprise that made his family's move more tolerable: a thriving ex-pat community.
"I have run into several fellow Americans who have chosen to move overseas and take advantage of the opportunities that utilize their skills, which in some cases have no or little demand back home ... due to the dreadful downsizing that U.S. companies have been doing in the past few years and moving jobs to the low-cost regions," said Wally, 41, who was an electrical engineer, but now is in industrial business development. "Those I run into saw it coming, so of speak, and decided to venture outside the U.S. while they could … afford a transition."
Wally had the foresight -- and the money -- to carefully plan his departure, which made things much easier.
"It is not easy to leave home," he said. "The biggest struggle I had was leaving my family back home -- a wife and two kids -- when I took the leap of moving here. My wife and I agreed that I move first and explore the situation before I commit them to moving. It is important that you have the family support before venturing into a move like this."
Francine, the former real estate agent, didn't have the chance to plan as much – and hasn’t enjoyed as much support.
"I looked online for jobs for expatriates and there were ads for Xi’an and after I did some research about the city, I went there," she said. She said she put most of her personal belongings in storage and purchased the least expensive one-way ticket she could find.
"My family was shocked to say the least, and I would have to say that many of them were against my decision to move," she said. "It took some time for my grandmother to even understand why an American would leave America."
But thanks to technology, leaving America is quite different than it was a generation ago, or even a few years ago. During an interview via Skype, Francine said she's constantly in touch with friends and family at home.
And "home" has come to China, too. There's a Walmart in a mall that's a five-minute walk from her apartment. McDonald's, Kentucky Fried Chicken and other familiar restaurants are even closer.
"It's all here," she said. "Things are not as different here as you might think."
There are unexpected benefits, too. Both Wally and Francine said they feel much safer walking down the street in their new homes than they did in Nevada or Florida, as crime rates are considerably lower. Away from the intense time demands of U.S. business culture, Wally says he's been able to relax a bit more and even "develop some new hobbies." Of course, being away from American efficiencies has its downsides, too.
"The struggle was setting expectations," he said. "We are used to systematic things in the U.S., irrespective of the state you live in, and we should not expect that getting a driver’s license, opening a bank account, hiring a Realtor, returning merchandize, or even connecting the utilities to your apartment is anything like back home. It sounds petty, but in the beginning it feels like you are on another planet."
That feeling can apply to getting the necessary paperwork for overseas work, too, said Beaver. Getting rich as an ex-pat is almost always a pipe dream; obtaining permission for full-time employment is getting harder, too. Canada recently announced it is tightening its standards for granting even temporary work visas.
"(People) don't know the facts," he said. "The job market in the industry (they) deal with can be even more competitive than in the States in certain fields because of security clearance requirements and other factors."
Wally and Francine shared one quality that made their overseas jump easier -- both had traveled extensively when they were young, preparing them for an adjustment to a radically new culture. Still, Wally urged down-on-their-luck Americans to at least consider an overseas move "if all roads at home hit a dead end."
And Francine said that ultimately, all that's required is an open mind.
"People are people everywhere. Ultimately, you'll find a way to survive," she said. "If you are brave ... just get a passport, and if you have enough money for a round trip ticket, get a storage unit and come to China."
By Bob Sullivan
For years, American jobs have been exported overseas, to places like China or India. Now we're exporting our people there, too.
"I just got tired of how the economy was going back home. I just figured things had to better somewhere else," said Francine, a former real estate agent in Las Vegas who recently moved to Xi'an, in central China, for work.
She has two jobs, but says her standard of living is a little bit better than when she left Nevada. "It's kind of ironic -- the middle class in China is growing while the middle class in America is shrinking."
Francine, who spoke with msnbc.com on condition of anonymity, had never been to China before making the decision to move there with her husband, and she doesn’t speak Chinese. But she's found enough locals who speak her language, and "when I meet someone who doesn't speak English, I play charades with them." The couple moved into a small one-bedroom apartment where he works in the import/export business, and she works constantly as a freelance magazine writer and at a learning center. She said she was surprised by the difference she felt immediately in the way her new neighbors treated her.
"Being poor anywhere in the world is bad, (but) if you are broke in the U.S., people just do not treat you very well,” said Francine, who is 28 years old. “In China, people are still very polite and respectful regardless of your financial status and I like that."
There's no hard data on private-sector Americans working overseas. In 2004, the U.S. Census Bureau tried and abandoned an official count of the then-estimated 4 million Americans working outside the country. In 2009, the U.S. State Department said it believed there were 5.3 million Americans living overseas, but cautioned that the number was an out-of-date guess. That means there's no way to know for sure how many Francines there are. But the response to our recent series on "Crazy things Americans are doing to cope with the recession," and a collection of anecdotes from around the world, hints that many U.S. workers are performing the same analysis that multinational corporations have made -- life overseas is cheaper, and in some ways easier, than in America. Reversing a trend that’s perhaps 400 years old, workers are leaving America to find opportunity elsewhere.
“After the market crashed, the only jobs that were available were temp jobs, or jobs with very high turnover. Either way, I knew that I could not get by like that or even dare to save money,” Francine said. “So, after a grueling two month debate with myself, I finally decided to sell what little I had left of my belongings and put the rest in a small storage unit…and armed with $300, I flew to China.”
To be sure, even people like Francine still believe success in America is sweeter than anywhere else on the planet -- and she hopes to return to the U.S. when the economy recovers. (That’s why she requested anonymity; “I wouldn’t want a future employer to think I’m unpatriotic,” she said.). But she believes her best chance of riding out the current economic storm is far from her home port. And while she misses her laundry dryer, her car and being able to flush toilet paper down the toilet, living in China does offer some advantages.
"The cost of living is really cheap," she said. "I can go and get massages and manicures every week and it only costs about $13 for both. You can't get those prices back home. In fact, those were luxuries I cut out in order to save money."
Americans are finding their way to employment all around the globe. In the immediate aftermath of the financial crisis, many finance majors and investment bankers fled Wall Street for Hong Kong or other Asian destinations, where the banking industry was still thriving. With Australia benefitting from China’s economic growth, Americans are flocking there, too. Americans now rank third among those applying for work visas in Australia, behind only the U.K. and India, according the Wall Street Journal, and their ranks have swelled 80 percent in the past five years. The story cited an unemployed California construction worker who now earns as much as $50 an hour laying flooring in Australia. Canada, with its proximity making it the easiest ex-patriot option, has seen temporary work visa applications from U.S. citizens double from 2008 to 2010, thanks in part to an unemployment rate that's nearly 2 percentage points lower than its neighbor to the south. The thriving oil-charged economy in Alberta deserves much of the credit for that. Meanwhile, in 2009, when IBM laid off thousands of workers, the global giant offered jobs to those willing to relocate to India and other nations as long as they accepted “local terms and conditions.”
"I constantly receive emails from people saying something along the lines of, 'I can’t find a job here in the States so I want to go overseas,' ” said William Beaver, who runs a website for U.S. emigrants at OverSeasDigest.com. "At the very least, it seems that people may see it as a viable option."
Wally, who also requested anonymity, left the west coast of Florida to work in the United Arab Emirates about two years ago. One happy surprise that made his family's move more tolerable: a thriving ex-pat community.
"I have run into several fellow Americans who have chosen to move overseas and take advantage of the opportunities that utilize their skills, which in some cases have no or little demand back home ... due to the dreadful downsizing that U.S. companies have been doing in the past few years and moving jobs to the low-cost regions," said Wally, 41, who was an electrical engineer, but now is in industrial business development. "Those I run into saw it coming, so of speak, and decided to venture outside the U.S. while they could … afford a transition."
Wally had the foresight -- and the money -- to carefully plan his departure, which made things much easier.
"It is not easy to leave home," he said. "The biggest struggle I had was leaving my family back home -- a wife and two kids -- when I took the leap of moving here. My wife and I agreed that I move first and explore the situation before I commit them to moving. It is important that you have the family support before venturing into a move like this."
Francine, the former real estate agent, didn't have the chance to plan as much – and hasn’t enjoyed as much support.
"I looked online for jobs for expatriates and there were ads for Xi’an and after I did some research about the city, I went there," she said. She said she put most of her personal belongings in storage and purchased the least expensive one-way ticket she could find.
"My family was shocked to say the least, and I would have to say that many of them were against my decision to move," she said. "It took some time for my grandmother to even understand why an American would leave America."
But thanks to technology, leaving America is quite different than it was a generation ago, or even a few years ago. During an interview via Skype, Francine said she's constantly in touch with friends and family at home.
And "home" has come to China, too. There's a Walmart in a mall that's a five-minute walk from her apartment. McDonald's, Kentucky Fried Chicken and other familiar restaurants are even closer.
"It's all here," she said. "Things are not as different here as you might think."
There are unexpected benefits, too. Both Wally and Francine said they feel much safer walking down the street in their new homes than they did in Nevada or Florida, as crime rates are considerably lower. Away from the intense time demands of U.S. business culture, Wally says he's been able to relax a bit more and even "develop some new hobbies." Of course, being away from American efficiencies has its downsides, too.
"The struggle was setting expectations," he said. "We are used to systematic things in the U.S., irrespective of the state you live in, and we should not expect that getting a driver’s license, opening a bank account, hiring a Realtor, returning merchandize, or even connecting the utilities to your apartment is anything like back home. It sounds petty, but in the beginning it feels like you are on another planet."
That feeling can apply to getting the necessary paperwork for overseas work, too, said Beaver. Getting rich as an ex-pat is almost always a pipe dream; obtaining permission for full-time employment is getting harder, too. Canada recently announced it is tightening its standards for granting even temporary work visas.
"(People) don't know the facts," he said. "The job market in the industry (they) deal with can be even more competitive than in the States in certain fields because of security clearance requirements and other factors."
Wally and Francine shared one quality that made their overseas jump easier -- both had traveled extensively when they were young, preparing them for an adjustment to a radically new culture. Still, Wally urged down-on-their-luck Americans to at least consider an overseas move "if all roads at home hit a dead end."
And Francine said that ultimately, all that's required is an open mind.
"People are people everywhere. Ultimately, you'll find a way to survive," she said. "If you are brave ... just get a passport, and if you have enough money for a round trip ticket, get a storage unit and come to China."
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Procureo plan FBI o masovnom hapsenju OWS demonstranata .. da nije neki insajder ?? .. ili ono sto sam i pretpostavljao kad sam otvarao temilicu .. 
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Мало се заоштрава ситуација пошто полиција са моторима растерује демонстранте (овај делује повређено ???):
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Ти протестанти се понашају као да су јели бунике! Неко их омађијао, насели су на начију пропаганду. Нешто ми то много смрди. Најјјача економија, војна сила, најдемократскија земља света, а људи протестуују. Хтели би хлеба преко погаче.
Морамо помоћи народу Америке, јер су и они нама помогли много. Свако треба да уради оно што је у његовој могућности. Једноставно им треба објаснити како је грозан живот под комунистичким систем и какво сиромаштво у њему влада. Ми смо макар то искусили на својој кожи.
Мислим да би медијски јавни сервис Европске Србије требало да искористи своје гигантске потенцијале и упозори грађанке и грађане Америке каква им се опасност спрема уколико прогутају пропаганду ових хипика и лезилебовића!!
Довољно је само да помислим како смо ми живели некад, а како живимо сад. Раније су деца умирала од глади бежећи из Крајине, Босне, са Косова, а сада једу киндер јаја и пију воћне јогурте.
Ја сам јутрос доручковао ајвар са јајима. Много волим ајвар и тиме доказујем да сам патриота који воли своју земљу. То је наш српски бренд. Никада се не бих одрекао ајвара ма ко год то од мене тражио! Ајвар, Кајмак, Ракија, Гуча и Егзит, то је оно на чему треба да почива наш идентитет, идентитет модерне проЕвропске Србије, јаке и богате земље, која не жели са никим да ратује већ само хоће да развија добросуседску сарадњу и мир и стабилност у региону.
Ајвар, Кајмак, Ракија, Гуча и Егзит, то су наше црвене линије којих се не смемо одрећи, усудићу се, чак ни по цену Евроатлантских интеграција.
За ручак сам јео макараоне са сосом и млевеним месом, а одозго су биле поливене кечапом и ренданим качкавањем. Прави деликатес! Уживао сам једући. За време Милошевића су се људи грабили и лактали за хлеб, све је то документовано и видео снимком. А сада се хранимо као Енглески лордови!
А за вечеру сам појео пицу. То је уједно и идентитетски симбол, који показује да иоако сам патриота, такође сам и грађанин света који је одувек био за глобализам, мултикултуралност и мултиетничност. Ја на тај начин и кроз храну изражавам своје вредносне и политичке ставове.
Само нек се једе и пије. Нек се пева и слави. То је оно за шта смо се борили свих ових година. Доста је ратова и небеских тема, нису битне територије, битни су ЉУДИ!~!
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Не сумњам да су ти демонстранти лузери који слабо имају лове,
али ипак њихов положај је сасвим ОК у поређењу са многим државама света.
Сама чињеница да се на протестима ождеравају у пицеријама, их већ ставља изнад нивоа деце у Мауританији рецимо.
А да не помињемо што су баје са Вол стрита свој успех постигле заслужено.
Немате ви појма који је стрес стално стрепети од берзанских кретања, изненађења и губитака.
Значи ти милионери нису свој успех изградили на нервима ових хипика и губитника.
али ипак њихов положај је сасвим ОК у поређењу са многим државама света.
Сама чињеница да се на протестима ождеравају у пицеријама, их већ ставља изнад нивоа деце у Мауританији рецимо.
А да не помињемо што су баје са Вол стрита свој успех постигле заслужено.
Немате ви појма који је стрес стално стрепети од берзанских кретања, изненађења и губитака.
Значи ти милионери нису свој успех изградили на нервима ових хипика и губитника.
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Репутација !
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Ma naravno. U poređenju sa njihovim mukama uslovi u kojima rade rudari su pesma, i treba im smanjiti plate, obaška što su nesposobni pa nisu našli zlatnu žicu, no kopaju ugalj.
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Лако је бити сировина, тешко је бити интелектуалац, покретач, визионар. Да су човечанством управљали рудари, оно се неби померило цивилизацијски напред и још увек би били у античком времену. А и они су дебело плаћени с обзиром да су обични мануелни радници.
П.С. Драга Јагуарко, нешто ме често ови параноични клерофашисти повезују са тобом. Тврде да смо ја и ти једна иста особа. Ха, ха, ха, какви циркузанти!
Поздрављам антикомунистичку осовину на овој теми, Меркабина, Јагуарку и СанФана!! Заједно смо јачи! Само једну земљу имамо, и не смемо јој дозволити да је поново бомбардују и да опет ратујемо са целим светом!!
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Довољно је погледати где су државе у којима је комунизам био основни систем и државе у којима је демократија и капитализам био друштвено уређење. Ови други су отишли далеко више напред. Упоредмо нпр. Северну Кореју са једне и Велику Британију са друге стране.
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Јел' ово Нушић устао из гроба и логовао се на "Крстарицу"
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Срам те било!! Ово је гнусно!! Па вама заиста ништа није свето. И великане наше књижевности сте узели на зуб. Хоће ли модератори зауставити ово бестијално иживљавање, има ли неко жив овде?!
Још једанпут стиди се. Вређаш мртвог човека, који је притом дао толико много нашој култури и књижевности.
Да је Нушић жив, он би данас био на страни Евроатлантских снага и сурово би исмејавао вас клерофашисте и остале снаге хаоса и безумља. Иди читај Шешељове шкработине, шта друго да ти кажем.
Много сам љут и сад бих направио сцену да си у мом друштву!
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Репутација, Браниславе, хахахах
А сад сам и Бранислав, а? Море, безобразниче један, дао бих ја теби по туру!!
Докле више људи. 10 дана сам овде, а већ сте ме крстили са сто имена. Те Јагуар, те Дроид, те Јелена Триван, те Запршка, те Паприка, па сад и Бранислав!!
Има ли краја вашој параноји и теоријама ватиканско-масонско-јеврејских завера!!
Запамти друже, ја сам Меркабино и нови сам на овом форуму. Симболично сам се учланио 5-ог октобра, што се може видети на информацијама које се налазе поред слике госпође Соње Лихт.
Један је Меркабино, један једини, непревазиђени шмекер, у исто време и мангуп и интектуалац. Џентлмен старог кова. То сам ја. Жене и мушкарци који су били самном и дан данас ме хвале. Свима је чика Меркабино дао по бону!
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Мецена јесте неки обожаватељ Шешеља, што ми се нимало не свиђа...
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Шта мени фали ? Све моје другарице и девојке у суперлативима говоре о мени као џентлмену и господину.
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Хахахахахахахах!
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Слушај ме бре ти, никоговићу један!!
Мецена би требало да буде покровитељ и заштитник уметника, а ти се показао ко си и шта си! Вређаш покојног господина Нушића, једног од највећих наших књижевника!! Ни мртви вам више нису свети.
Изругујеш се овде свему људском, цивилизацијском, демократском и напредном. Није вам доста било ратова, изолација и глади. Таман смо се мало извукли из пакла у које сте нас увели, таман смо мало кренули напред, таман се наш Европски воз захуктао, а ето вас опет!
Лажете народ јефтином демагогијом, ширите прљаве лажи и инсинуације против легитимно изабраних демократских представника!! Хоћете овај народ да поново увучете у велику несрећу зарад фантомског небеског царства и лажних косовских митова!!
Е па неће моћи. Не док је нас који смо спремни да својим телима, интелектом, компјутерима и гласачким листићима бранимо тековине демократије!!
Смрт клерофашизму, слобода грађанима и грађанкама Србије!!!
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Да знаш да је и мени доста ратова и санкција. Зато су ми СНС (и донекле ДСС и СПО) ближи него СРС.
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Рат никоме није добро донео. Само шверцерима, психопатама и ратним профитерима. Неком рат неком брат, знаш како се каже.
Они који су за ратну опцију и антиевропске странке, то су ти углавном прихопате, шверцери и ратни профитери.
А они који су за Евроатлантске интеграције, ту су људи као ти и ја, честити, млади, образовани, динамични, који само желе да мирно живе, раде и школују се, путују по свету и воде љубав са лепим девојкама и момцима. Неоптерећени са високом политиком и некаквим небеским циљевима. Не!
Ми желимо политику која се бави малим човеком, његовим жељама, бригама и страховима. Патриотизам се не сипа у тракторе, а Косово се не маже на хлеб!!
Морамо прихватити реалност на терену и видети шта можемо да урадимо да нам заиста буде боље.
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