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Pih niko da nam objasni sto se Jesus u ovoj epizodi ponasao kao vodja bande?
Poslao dva "momka" da maznu konjce,magare zavisno od prevoda jelte,dali mu ponudu koju nije mogao da odbije
a onda je kao svaki vodja bande krenuo da zeza svoje podanike tako sto su prostirali "haljinice boje lila" ispred njega i magarca mu 
Cemu sve to?
Poslao dva "momka" da maznu konjce,magare zavisno od prevoda jelte,dali mu ponudu koju nije mogao da odbije
a onda je kao svaki vodja bande krenuo da zeza svoje podanike tako sto su prostirali "haljinice boje lila" ispred njega i magarca mu Cemu sve to?
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Size Counts
Sombrero GalaxyspacerA lot of deeply religious people, content to live in a compact, Human-centered Universe, are able to do so largely in proportion to their inability to do math. Of course they can add and subtract, maybe even still do some algebra, but they are woefully lacking in the tools necessary to understand the numbers that describe the cosmos. As a result, they don’t really understand how big the universe is and what that implies for the ancient god myths. It is a sad manifestation of what John Allen Paulos wrote about in his highly enlightening book, INNUMERACY.
Innumeracy is the mathematical equivalent of illiteracy and, although many people joke about their own inability to do math, it actually has real, adverse effects on the ability to grasp the Universe in a rational manner. It has less to do with ability to do long division than it has to do with the ability to understand scale and logical relationships. A more practical effect is that those who are unable to judge, or even think about numerical relationships may find themselves more easily fooled by misinformation or deceived by scammers. Like televangelists. If one has no mental tools for the validation of claims, then one is likely to believe in some really stupid shit. A lot of the ancient beliefs seem to imply a small, intimate Universe, one which extended only from some very toasty underground real estate to someplace above the clouds but below the canopy of stars. Some even thought the stars could be reached with a tall enough tower. Some thought that it was possible to fly too close to the sun. Some thought it was turtles all the way down. But everyone thought it was a Universe centered around us and more or less set up just for us.
I think that dispelling that myth requires only a gentle lesson about the size of the universe, requiring nothing more than a calculator and a sense of awe.
Millions and Billions.
First, a simple lesson in scale. A billion is the smallest increment on the Cosmic Yardstick. And a billion, to us, is really a lot! To illustrate, first lets look at a Million of something. Something easy to understand. Like seconds.
1,000,000 (one Million) seconds = 11 days, 13 hours, 46 min, and 40 sec. Lets call it 11.5 days for convenience.
1,000,000,000 (one Billion) seconds = 11, 500 days or 31.5 years!! One billion seconds ago, it was 1976.
Awesome, eh? Anyway, on to …
The Size of the Universe!
Let's look at our nearest star, the Sun, as a big yellow beach ball 3 feet in diameter. We will start all our measurements from there.
If the Sun were a beach ball sitting on the goal line at Sun Devil Stadium, the Earth would be a tiny round piece of pea gravel 93 yards away. (93M mi.)
Mars would be a little orange bead almost 400 feet away in the seats behind the goal post. (142M mi.)
Jupiter would be a baseball just over 1/4 mile away. (484M mi.)
Saturn would be tennis ball about 1/2 mile away. (888M miles)
Pluto, smaller than our moon, would be a pinhead almost 2 ½ miles away (3.67B mi.)
BTW – to drive out to Pluto at 60 mph, would take you 6975 years.
After that, things start getting bigger in a hurry.
The NEAREST star – Alpha Centauri, 4.3 light years distant - would be a slightly smaller beach ball, in Sydney, Australia 12440 miles away. Driving time - 47.6 Million years. If 1 year were 1 second long, it would still take you a year and a half to drive there.
The nearest spiral Galaxy, the lovely Andromeda, is a mere 2 Million light years away. Like our galaxy, the Milky Way, Andromeda is approximately 100,000 light years in diameter and contains over 200 Billion stars. If the Milky Way were a hula hoop, Andromeda would be another hoop 80 feet away. If you were driving at 1 million miles an hour, it would take you 6 million years to drive across our galaxy and 120 million years to get to the outskirts of Andromeda.
The Milky Way is one of about 20 galaxies in our local cluster which, in turn is part of the local super cluster which contains thousands of galaxies. The farthest observed galaxy would be another hula hoop over 90 miles away. Driving at the speed of light, 186,000 miles per second, or 11 million times the speed limit, it would take you about 12 or 13 billion years.
From where we sit ...
From where we sit, we can see well over 100 BILLION galaxies beyond our own. On average, they each have over 100 BILLION stars and other stuff. And that is just the stuff we can see from here. And I don’t see any reason to think that everything suddenly stops just past that galaxy.
So, as you can see, the Universe is, in Scientific terms, freakin’ huuuge!!
I think that a lot of the religious have an institutionally mandated and studiously maintained level of ignorance regarding not just the size of the Universe, but also our relative importance in it. I personally do not find myself diminished by it – I find it the most fascinating thing imaginable.
If the sun were a grain of sand, the stars in our galaxy would fill an Olympic-sized swimming pool.
If our galaxy were a grain of sand, the galaxies would fill several olympic-sized swimming pools.
Perspective
I think that Isaac Asimov put things in perspective in the title of his classic Sci-Fi novel, “The Stars Like Dust”. Even looking around in our local neighborhood, the stars are, in some places, so numerous they look like haze.
Bertrand Russell, in his book, “Why I Am Not A Christian”, says (and I am paraphrasing) that our inflated sense of self importance and placement in the Universe can best be cured with a little astronomy.
But I think P. W. Atkins, in a remarkable little book called, ironically, Creation Revisited, opened up a whole new perspective when he called the Universe “a local outcropping of matter”.
That is the kind of scale and perspective which show the ancient god-myths for what they truly are – local outcroppings of lunacy.
Sombrero GalaxyspacerA lot of deeply religious people, content to live in a compact, Human-centered Universe, are able to do so largely in proportion to their inability to do math. Of course they can add and subtract, maybe even still do some algebra, but they are woefully lacking in the tools necessary to understand the numbers that describe the cosmos. As a result, they don’t really understand how big the universe is and what that implies for the ancient god myths. It is a sad manifestation of what John Allen Paulos wrote about in his highly enlightening book, INNUMERACY.
Innumeracy is the mathematical equivalent of illiteracy and, although many people joke about their own inability to do math, it actually has real, adverse effects on the ability to grasp the Universe in a rational manner. It has less to do with ability to do long division than it has to do with the ability to understand scale and logical relationships. A more practical effect is that those who are unable to judge, or even think about numerical relationships may find themselves more easily fooled by misinformation or deceived by scammers. Like televangelists. If one has no mental tools for the validation of claims, then one is likely to believe in some really stupid shit. A lot of the ancient beliefs seem to imply a small, intimate Universe, one which extended only from some very toasty underground real estate to someplace above the clouds but below the canopy of stars. Some even thought the stars could be reached with a tall enough tower. Some thought that it was possible to fly too close to the sun. Some thought it was turtles all the way down. But everyone thought it was a Universe centered around us and more or less set up just for us.
I think that dispelling that myth requires only a gentle lesson about the size of the universe, requiring nothing more than a calculator and a sense of awe.
Millions and Billions.
First, a simple lesson in scale. A billion is the smallest increment on the Cosmic Yardstick. And a billion, to us, is really a lot! To illustrate, first lets look at a Million of something. Something easy to understand. Like seconds.
1,000,000 (one Million) seconds = 11 days, 13 hours, 46 min, and 40 sec. Lets call it 11.5 days for convenience.
1,000,000,000 (one Billion) seconds = 11, 500 days or 31.5 years!! One billion seconds ago, it was 1976.
Awesome, eh? Anyway, on to …
The Size of the Universe!
Let's look at our nearest star, the Sun, as a big yellow beach ball 3 feet in diameter. We will start all our measurements from there.
If the Sun were a beach ball sitting on the goal line at Sun Devil Stadium, the Earth would be a tiny round piece of pea gravel 93 yards away. (93M mi.)
Mars would be a little orange bead almost 400 feet away in the seats behind the goal post. (142M mi.)
Jupiter would be a baseball just over 1/4 mile away. (484M mi.)
Saturn would be tennis ball about 1/2 mile away. (888M miles)
Pluto, smaller than our moon, would be a pinhead almost 2 ½ miles away (3.67B mi.)
BTW – to drive out to Pluto at 60 mph, would take you 6975 years.
After that, things start getting bigger in a hurry.
The NEAREST star – Alpha Centauri, 4.3 light years distant - would be a slightly smaller beach ball, in Sydney, Australia 12440 miles away. Driving time - 47.6 Million years. If 1 year were 1 second long, it would still take you a year and a half to drive there.
The nearest spiral Galaxy, the lovely Andromeda, is a mere 2 Million light years away. Like our galaxy, the Milky Way, Andromeda is approximately 100,000 light years in diameter and contains over 200 Billion stars. If the Milky Way were a hula hoop, Andromeda would be another hoop 80 feet away. If you were driving at 1 million miles an hour, it would take you 6 million years to drive across our galaxy and 120 million years to get to the outskirts of Andromeda.
The Milky Way is one of about 20 galaxies in our local cluster which, in turn is part of the local super cluster which contains thousands of galaxies. The farthest observed galaxy would be another hula hoop over 90 miles away. Driving at the speed of light, 186,000 miles per second, or 11 million times the speed limit, it would take you about 12 or 13 billion years.
From where we sit ...
From where we sit, we can see well over 100 BILLION galaxies beyond our own. On average, they each have over 100 BILLION stars and other stuff. And that is just the stuff we can see from here. And I don’t see any reason to think that everything suddenly stops just past that galaxy.
So, as you can see, the Universe is, in Scientific terms, freakin’ huuuge!!
I think that a lot of the religious have an institutionally mandated and studiously maintained level of ignorance regarding not just the size of the Universe, but also our relative importance in it. I personally do not find myself diminished by it – I find it the most fascinating thing imaginable.
If the sun were a grain of sand, the stars in our galaxy would fill an Olympic-sized swimming pool.
If our galaxy were a grain of sand, the galaxies would fill several olympic-sized swimming pools.
Perspective
I think that Isaac Asimov put things in perspective in the title of his classic Sci-Fi novel, “The Stars Like Dust”. Even looking around in our local neighborhood, the stars are, in some places, so numerous they look like haze.
Bertrand Russell, in his book, “Why I Am Not A Christian”, says (and I am paraphrasing) that our inflated sense of self importance and placement in the Universe can best be cured with a little astronomy.
But I think P. W. Atkins, in a remarkable little book called, ironically, Creation Revisited, opened up a whole new perspective when he called the Universe “a local outcropping of matter”.
That is the kind of scale and perspective which show the ancient god-myths for what they truly are – local outcroppings of lunacy.
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Jacob
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Let's Do the Math
For the sake of this exercise, lets allow for a maximum of 1 One True Religion (OTR). According to adherents.com, only 33% of all humans are members of the various xian cults (I have an almanac that puts the number closer to 25%, but let's be generous here and include all the bible-based snake handling and chicken sacrificing xian cults). That means that by conservative estimate, and from the xian perspective, at least 67% of all humans on the planet are practicing some form of non-xian faithcraft. By the self serving xian definition, just over two thirds of all humans are at variance with what xians insist is the one and only "TRUTH". By xian definition, whatever "faith" all these people hold could not possibly be correct.
Now, the largest xian cult is the catholics who account for approx half of all xians. If you ask a devout catholic, they will tell you that all non-catholics are incorrect about the things they hold on faith. That is another one sixth of the people on this planet clinging to an error-based faith. Do the math and you come up with approximately 17% of those exercising "faith" as the maximum who can possibly be correct. That is one in six! At best!
For fun, if you do the math for a Southern Baptist, (who will assure you with all conviction that everyone else is going straight to hell, especially the "bloody papists") faith becomes 0.75% as reliable as it is for the catholics, or about 0.2% (that's two tenths of one percent) as reliable as flipping a coin! Slots hit more often than that.
In other words, if you follow xian claims about faith to their logical conclusion, you will observe two things: the first is that fundamentalists don't know dick about math, and secondly that "faith", at best, is nowhere near as reliable a wild-assed guess.
For the sake of this exercise, lets allow for a maximum of 1 One True Religion (OTR). According to adherents.com, only 33% of all humans are members of the various xian cults (I have an almanac that puts the number closer to 25%, but let's be generous here and include all the bible-based snake handling and chicken sacrificing xian cults). That means that by conservative estimate, and from the xian perspective, at least 67% of all humans on the planet are practicing some form of non-xian faithcraft. By the self serving xian definition, just over two thirds of all humans are at variance with what xians insist is the one and only "TRUTH". By xian definition, whatever "faith" all these people hold could not possibly be correct.
Now, the largest xian cult is the catholics who account for approx half of all xians. If you ask a devout catholic, they will tell you that all non-catholics are incorrect about the things they hold on faith. That is another one sixth of the people on this planet clinging to an error-based faith. Do the math and you come up with approximately 17% of those exercising "faith" as the maximum who can possibly be correct. That is one in six! At best!
For fun, if you do the math for a Southern Baptist, (who will assure you with all conviction that everyone else is going straight to hell, especially the "bloody papists") faith becomes 0.75% as reliable as it is for the catholics, or about 0.2% (that's two tenths of one percent) as reliable as flipping a coin! Slots hit more often than that.
In other words, if you follow xian claims about faith to their logical conclusion, you will observe two things: the first is that fundamentalists don't know dick about math, and secondly that "faith", at best, is nowhere near as reliable a wild-assed guess.
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Mogao da 'oda po vodi a ne moze da jasi bez tapacirunga a da ne nazulja guzu?
A da ga ipak nisu razapeli zbog magarca a ne zbog religije a?
A posle ekipa da spase obraz napisala malko drugacije?
Petljo je sa vinom i nije plaćao akcize. Niko tako temeljno ne razapinje kao oni iz poreske uprave.
Priča sa magarcem trebalo je da posluži kao još jedan dokaz o proročkim sposobnostima. "Idite na kraj sela i tamo ćete naći magarca"
Kao kad bi danas rekli. "Izađite na ulicu i videćete Yuga."
Znači, duboki prorok.
A aljine su tu da se pokriju registarske tablice, pretpostavljam.
Cartmanland
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po ateistima moze da se kaze
Ako nas niko nije nacinio, nikome ne pripadamo, tako da i nema nikoga da postavlja pravila osim nas. Nema logicnog razloga drzati se nacela Deset zapovesti, na primer, ako je ostali deo Biblije odbacen kao navodno samo "kulturni mit" ili "legenda".
Dakle, sam svoj majstor. Veruj u sebe i misli svojom glavom.
i dalje mislim da su deset Bozijih zapovesti dobre poruke ljudima
Ako nas niko nije nacinio, nikome ne pripadamo, tako da i nema nikoga da postavlja pravila osim nas. Nema logicnog razloga drzati se nacela Deset zapovesti, na primer, ako je ostali deo Biblije odbacen kao navodno samo "kulturni mit" ili "legenda".
Dakle, sam svoj majstor. Veruj u sebe i misli svojom glavom.
i dalje mislim da su deset Bozijih zapovesti dobre poruke ljudima
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Mislim i ja. Naročito ona "nemoj sebi graditi idole niti im služiti". Iliti nemo si frajer.
PS. Veruj u sebe, ali daj šansu i drugima.
Durra
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Evo malo materijala za ateiste
Malo tockova od kocija u sred Crvenog mora
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm
Malo tockova od kocija u sred Crvenog mora
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm
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Naročito ona "ne čini preljube"
Imajući u vidu da se svaki seks pre braka i sa osobom sa kojom nisi u braku smatra preljubom, ja čisto sumnjam da među Srbima ima i 10% populacije koja ovde nije zgrešila.
Svaka čast vama koji ste bili device do braka... samo vi praktikujte celibat. A i Desanka Šaković je veliki greh, čisto da znate.
Imajte to u vidu i kad se tuširate pa pomislite na onu malu slatku iz teretane, ili onu bezobraznu komšinicu... to vas đavo iskušava! Mwahahahahaha!
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Pa da li je moguće? Celog života sam mislio da je priča o Mojsiju bajka, da je nemoguće da je matorac razdovjio more da prođu Jevreji, ali sad vidim! Točak od kočije na dnu mora! Da li je to moguće? Znači sve ovo je bila zabluda, Jevreji jesu prošli tuda, otkud bi inače na dnu fackin mora bio točak?
Hvala ti za ovo, više nisam ateista.
P.S. Pored ovoga, sad shvatam i nešto drugo što mi do sada nije bilo jasno - izgleda da su neki Cigani vozili Wartburga po sred Dunava, jer su u sred reke nađeni neki točkovi... ne znam doduše koji je svetac njima razdvojio vodu od Pristaništa do Borče? Ko li bi to mogao biti?
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Evo malo materijala za ateiste
Malo tockova od kocija u sred Crvenog mora
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm
већ дуже време се прича о овом доказу.
добар сајт.
Bulletdodger
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Evo malo materijala za ateiste
Malo tockova od kocija u sred Crvenog mora
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm
A Atlantida je bila u Hrvatskom primorju jer su tamo u vodi pronadjne mnogobrojne statue i drugi artifakti.
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sale,imas dokumentarni film na tu temu,to su snimci iz njega,traje ~1,5 sat,davno sam gledao...
Ceo je o prelasku,produkcija je vrh,a ima sem tih tockova jos gomila dokaza o prelasku...
probaj da pronadjes
evo to je to:
http://goccc.stores.yahoo.net/exredvd1of.html
Jacob
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Evo malo materijala za ateiste
Malo tockova od kocija u sred Crvenog mora
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm
Zamisli.
I nikako drugacije taj tocak nije mogao da dodje tu osim kad su Ramzes i drustvo jurili za Mojsijem preko Crvenog mora?
Kao npr na nekom brodu koji je prevozio te dvokolice hm?
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Zamisli tog jadnika koji je u sred frke, pored 600.000 Jevreja ostao bez točka... čudi me da mu Mojsije nije pomogao da popravi dvokolice, ako već ume da razdvoji Crveno more, jedno dizanje dvokolice na kurblu mu svakako ne bi teško palo...Kao npr na nekom brodu koji je prevozio te dvokolice hm?
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Samo ovcama treba pastir.
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"Kao što su ljudske molitve bolest volje, tako su i njihova vjerovanja bolest razuma."
[Ralph Waldo Emerson, književnik, filozof (bivši sveštenik)]
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"Ono što ste mogli čitati o mojim "religioznim uvjerenjima" je, naravno, laž. Laž koja se sustavno ponavlja ! Ja ne vjerujem u osobnog Boga, i to nikada nisam tvrdio, već sam to svima jasno stavio na znanje. Ako ima išta u meni što se može nazvati religioznim, to je onda bezgranično divljenje nad strukturom svijeta, toliko koliko nam to naša znanost može razotkriti."
"Ideja osobnog Boga mi je sasvim strana i čak izgleda naivno."
(Albert Einstein)
1954, od Alberta Einsteina: Ljudska strana, uredila Helen Dukas i Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press]
Vjera u boga je "djetinjasto praznovjerje", a Židovi nisu izabrani narod, napisao je Albert Einstein u pismu iz 1954. "Riječ 'bog' za mene nije ništa više od izraza i proizvoda ljudskih slabosti, a Biblija kolekcija časnih, no i dalje primitivnih legendi koje su prilično djetinjaste. Nikakva interpretacija, koliko god suptilna ona bila, ne može (me) uvjeriti u suprotno", napisao je Einstein tada u pismu filozofu Ericu Gutkindu. Einstein, sam Židov, rekao je kako ima velike afinitete prema Židovima, no napisao je kako ne misli da imaju "drugačije kvalitete od ostalih ljudi".
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"U početku nije bilo ničega. "I reče Bog: 'Neka bi svjetlost.' I bi svjetlost I vidje Bog da je svjetlost dobra i rastavi Bog svjetlost od tame"; ali i dalje nije bilo ničega drugoga. No moglo se to vidjeti.
(Dave Thomas)
* U svemiru je "crni prostor", jer se fotoni nemaju o što odbijati do našega oka. Da bi nešto vidjeli, mora se od toga odbiti svjetlost. U praznom prostoru je crni svemir jer nema materije koja odbija svjetlo. Iako su postojali fotoni, ostao je mračni svemir. Dakle: "reče Bog: 'Neka bi svjetlost.' I bi svjetlost I ne vidje Bog ništa, a svemir ostade taman dok god nije Bog stvorio kakvu materiju."
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"Živi dobar život.Ako postoje bogovi koji su pravedni,onda oni neće mariti koliko si pobožan bio nego će te dočekati na temelju vrlina po kojima si živio. Ako postoje bogovi a oni su nepravedni,onda ih ne bi trebao štovati.Ako nema bogova,onda ni tebe neće biti,ali si barem živio život koji će živjeti u sječanjima tvojih voljenih."
Život u gradiću Lubbock, Texas naučio me dvije stvari. Prva je da nas Bog voli i da ćemo gorjeti u Paklu. Druga je da je seks najgroznija, prljava stvar na licu Zemlje, i da ga treba čuvati za onoga koga voliš."
(Butch Hancock)
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Znanost je po svojoj prirodi ateistična. Ubacivati Boga u znanstvene teorije je korisno isto tako kao i molitva da vam ne zagori jelo u umijeću kulinarstva. Ako neki znanstvenik počne spominjati Boga/Svete Spise, znajte da se radi o šarlatanu i da od njegovih hipoteza neće biti nikakve koristi.
(Nepoznati)
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„Od svih tiranija koje pogađaju čovječanstvo, tiranija u religiji je najgora.
Sve druge vrste tiranije ograničene su na svijet u kojemu živimo, no ova teži kročiti i poslije groba i traži da nas progoni u vječnost.“
(Thomas Paine)
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"Je li Bog voljan sprječiti zlo, ali nije u stanju? Onda nije svemoguć.
Može, ali nije voljan ? Onda je zloban.
I može i voljan je? Odakle onda dolazi zlo?
Niti može niti je voljan? Zašto ga onda zvati Bogom?"
(Epikur) (341-270. prije nove ere)
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"A ako bi postojao Bog, mislim da je vrlo nevjerojatno da se osjeća uvrijeđenim ako netko sumnja u njegovo postojanje."
(Bertrand Russell
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"Mislim stvarno... da nam je Bog htio poslati svoju poruku, a prastari spisi su jedini način koji je mogao smisliti za to, sigurno je to mogao bolje napraviti."
Dr. Arroway u Carl Saganovu "Kontaktu" (New York: Pocket Books, 1985), p. 164.
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Tokom sedmog krstaškog pohoda kojeg je predvodio Sv. Luj, Yves le Breton je zapisao kako je jednom susreo neku staricu koja je hodala cestom noseći u jednoj ruci posudu u kojoj je gorjela vatra, a u drugoj posudu punu vode. Kad ju je upitao zašto nosi dvije posude, starica mu je odgovorila da će vatrom zapaliti Raj sve dok od njega ništa ne ostane, a vodom ugasiti Paklene vatre: "Jer želim da nitko ne čini dobro kako bi dobio Raj kao nagradu ili zbog straha od Pakla, nego isključivo iz ljubavi prema Bogu."
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„Oni se nikad ne mogu nasititi priča kao što su izmišljotine o sablastima, utvarama, zlim duhovima, paklu; rado pričaju o hiljadama te vrste čudesa. Što su te priče dalje od istine ljudi im rađe vjeruju, dok im se uši nadražuju ugodnim draškanjem. Ali takve pričice ne koriste samo za liječenje od dosade, nego također imaju i svrhu zarade novca, osobito za sveštenike i propovjednike.“
Erazmo Roterdamski, Pohvala ludosti, poglavlje o vernicima
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"Stvarno je to čudnovata religija. Bog kaže, "Poslat ću vam Mesiju (tj. Krista). Bit će i mnogo lažnih proroka koji će za sebe tvrditi da su Mesije (Krist). Pokušajte ih razlikovati. Pogodite li koji je pravi, sjedit ćete uz Mene na Nebu. Pogriješite li u svojoj procjeni, prokleti ste u Paklu za vječna vremena, a i Mel Gibson će napraviti film o vama kao spodobama koje nose zlokobne ogrtače i imaju velike kukaste noseve."
Brian Flemming (autor dokumentarca: The God who wasn't there)
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Nazivati Ateizam vjerom je poput nazivanja ćelavosti - bojom kose.
– Don Hirschberg
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"Mene su još od samog rođenja predodredili za sveštenički poziv, i ta me pomisao neprestano tištila."
(I was intended from my very birth for the clerical profession and this thought constantly opprest me.)
Nikola Tesla - Autobiografija
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"Svi smo mi ateisti*, u odnosu na mnoštvo bogova u koje je čovječanstvo vjerovalo. Neki od nas samo negiraju jedno božanstvo više od drugih."
Richard Dawkins
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[Ralph Waldo Emerson, književnik, filozof (bivši sveštenik)]
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"Ono što ste mogli čitati o mojim "religioznim uvjerenjima" je, naravno, laž. Laž koja se sustavno ponavlja ! Ja ne vjerujem u osobnog Boga, i to nikada nisam tvrdio, već sam to svima jasno stavio na znanje. Ako ima išta u meni što se može nazvati religioznim, to je onda bezgranično divljenje nad strukturom svijeta, toliko koliko nam to naša znanost može razotkriti."
"Ideja osobnog Boga mi je sasvim strana i čak izgleda naivno."
(Albert Einstein)
1954, od Alberta Einsteina: Ljudska strana, uredila Helen Dukas i Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press]
Vjera u boga je "djetinjasto praznovjerje", a Židovi nisu izabrani narod, napisao je Albert Einstein u pismu iz 1954. "Riječ 'bog' za mene nije ništa više od izraza i proizvoda ljudskih slabosti, a Biblija kolekcija časnih, no i dalje primitivnih legendi koje su prilično djetinjaste. Nikakva interpretacija, koliko god suptilna ona bila, ne može (me) uvjeriti u suprotno", napisao je Einstein tada u pismu filozofu Ericu Gutkindu. Einstein, sam Židov, rekao je kako ima velike afinitete prema Židovima, no napisao je kako ne misli da imaju "drugačije kvalitete od ostalih ljudi".
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"U početku nije bilo ničega. "I reče Bog: 'Neka bi svjetlost.' I bi svjetlost I vidje Bog da je svjetlost dobra i rastavi Bog svjetlost od tame"; ali i dalje nije bilo ničega drugoga. No moglo se to vidjeti.
(Dave Thomas)
* U svemiru je "crni prostor", jer se fotoni nemaju o što odbijati do našega oka. Da bi nešto vidjeli, mora se od toga odbiti svjetlost. U praznom prostoru je crni svemir jer nema materije koja odbija svjetlo. Iako su postojali fotoni, ostao je mračni svemir. Dakle: "reče Bog: 'Neka bi svjetlost.' I bi svjetlost I ne vidje Bog ništa, a svemir ostade taman dok god nije Bog stvorio kakvu materiju."
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"Živi dobar život.Ako postoje bogovi koji su pravedni,onda oni neće mariti koliko si pobožan bio nego će te dočekati na temelju vrlina po kojima si živio. Ako postoje bogovi a oni su nepravedni,onda ih ne bi trebao štovati.Ako nema bogova,onda ni tebe neće biti,ali si barem živio život koji će živjeti u sječanjima tvojih voljenih."
Život u gradiću Lubbock, Texas naučio me dvije stvari. Prva je da nas Bog voli i da ćemo gorjeti u Paklu. Druga je da je seks najgroznija, prljava stvar na licu Zemlje, i da ga treba čuvati za onoga koga voliš."
(Butch Hancock)
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Znanost je po svojoj prirodi ateistična. Ubacivati Boga u znanstvene teorije je korisno isto tako kao i molitva da vam ne zagori jelo u umijeću kulinarstva. Ako neki znanstvenik počne spominjati Boga/Svete Spise, znajte da se radi o šarlatanu i da od njegovih hipoteza neće biti nikakve koristi.
(Nepoznati)
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„Od svih tiranija koje pogađaju čovječanstvo, tiranija u religiji je najgora.
Sve druge vrste tiranije ograničene su na svijet u kojemu živimo, no ova teži kročiti i poslije groba i traži da nas progoni u vječnost.“
(Thomas Paine)
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"Je li Bog voljan sprječiti zlo, ali nije u stanju? Onda nije svemoguć.
Može, ali nije voljan ? Onda je zloban.
I može i voljan je? Odakle onda dolazi zlo?
Niti može niti je voljan? Zašto ga onda zvati Bogom?"
(Epikur) (341-270. prije nove ere)
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"A ako bi postojao Bog, mislim da je vrlo nevjerojatno da se osjeća uvrijeđenim ako netko sumnja u njegovo postojanje."
(Bertrand Russell
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"Mislim stvarno... da nam je Bog htio poslati svoju poruku, a prastari spisi su jedini način koji je mogao smisliti za to, sigurno je to mogao bolje napraviti."
Dr. Arroway u Carl Saganovu "Kontaktu" (New York: Pocket Books, 1985), p. 164.
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Tokom sedmog krstaškog pohoda kojeg je predvodio Sv. Luj, Yves le Breton je zapisao kako je jednom susreo neku staricu koja je hodala cestom noseći u jednoj ruci posudu u kojoj je gorjela vatra, a u drugoj posudu punu vode. Kad ju je upitao zašto nosi dvije posude, starica mu je odgovorila da će vatrom zapaliti Raj sve dok od njega ništa ne ostane, a vodom ugasiti Paklene vatre: "Jer želim da nitko ne čini dobro kako bi dobio Raj kao nagradu ili zbog straha od Pakla, nego isključivo iz ljubavi prema Bogu."
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„Oni se nikad ne mogu nasititi priča kao što su izmišljotine o sablastima, utvarama, zlim duhovima, paklu; rado pričaju o hiljadama te vrste čudesa. Što su te priče dalje od istine ljudi im rađe vjeruju, dok im se uši nadražuju ugodnim draškanjem. Ali takve pričice ne koriste samo za liječenje od dosade, nego također imaju i svrhu zarade novca, osobito za sveštenike i propovjednike.“
Erazmo Roterdamski, Pohvala ludosti, poglavlje o vernicima
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"Stvarno je to čudnovata religija. Bog kaže, "Poslat ću vam Mesiju (tj. Krista). Bit će i mnogo lažnih proroka koji će za sebe tvrditi da su Mesije (Krist). Pokušajte ih razlikovati. Pogodite li koji je pravi, sjedit ćete uz Mene na Nebu. Pogriješite li u svojoj procjeni, prokleti ste u Paklu za vječna vremena, a i Mel Gibson će napraviti film o vama kao spodobama koje nose zlokobne ogrtače i imaju velike kukaste noseve."
Brian Flemming (autor dokumentarca: The God who wasn't there)
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Nazivati Ateizam vjerom je poput nazivanja ćelavosti - bojom kose.
– Don Hirschberg
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"Mene su još od samog rođenja predodredili za sveštenički poziv, i ta me pomisao neprestano tištila."
(I was intended from my very birth for the clerical profession and this thought constantly opprest me.)
Nikola Tesla - Autobiografija
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"Svi smo mi ateisti*, u odnosu na mnoštvo bogova u koje je čovječanstvo vjerovalo. Neki od nas samo negiraju jedno božanstvo više od drugih."
Richard Dawkins
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