Etnološke sličnosti i razlike Srba sa drugim narodima

truthSeeker:

grb engleske plemićke porodice Goddard

ima moto "Cervus non Servus" (jelen a ne sluga)

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The Goddard family was established within Swindon prior to the 15th Century, Thomas Goddard of Upham acquired the Manor in 1563 and his descendant family were Lords of the Manor up until the 20th century. The estate included the area known today as the Lawns, and was bounded by the High Street and the site of Christchurch.
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Swindon is a town in Wiltshire in the South West of England. People have lived in the town since the Bronze Age and the town's location, being approximately halfway between Bristol and London, made it an ideal location for the Locomotive Factories of the Great Western Railway in the 19th century.
Swindon has grown from a population of just 1,198 in 1801 to over 150,000 in 2001.[1]
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A Roman town called Durocornovium existed to the east of Swindon from the 1st to 4th centuries, located in present day Wanborough.[3] It is probable that Swindon began life as a settlement linked to a military encampment in the early days of the Roman occupation.
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Durocornovium was a Roman town in Britain, situated on the Roman road between Corinium Dobunnorum (Cirencester) and Calleva Atrebatum (Silchester). In many ways Durocornovium was a typical small Roman town.
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The names of Roman towns in England often derive from those of local natives. Duro is a Celtic word meaning fortified place. Some researchers attach a more specific meaning, calling it a Lowland Fortified Place. Since this would make the Durotriges (a tribe of Britons in Dorset) Kings of the Lowland Forts, this is at odds with geography of the region, so the more generic title is appropriate.[citation needed]
Cornovium is more difficult to assess. Strictly speaking it should refer to a tribe called the Cornovii in the north-west based around Wroxeter, or an identically-named tribe from Cornwall, both distant from Wiltshire. Unless the inhabitants were migrants or outcasts, this idea is irreconcilable. There is, however, a mention of a Cohors I Cornovium in Roman records and suggestions have been made that they were connected with the site, though no evidence exists.
There are two better alternatives. One is that Cornovium refers to Cernunnus which is a Celtic name for a Stag God. There was a nearby stone circle at Broome Manor dating from Neolithic times. The other alternative is that the name is a corrupted form of Corio, who was a king of the Dobunni tribe at Cirencester, so the name would mean Fort On The Road To Corinium.
As yet there is no definitive answer.

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The Cornovii is the name by which two, or three, tribes were known in Roman Britain.[1] One tribe was in the area centred on present-day Shropshire, one was in Caithness in northernmost Scotland, and there was probably one in Cornwall.
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The etymology of the tribal name is uncertain. Although it is accepted that *corn literally means "horn", there is disagreement over whether or not this refers to the shape of the land.[2] Considering that Cornwall is at the end of a long tapering peninsula, many scholars have adopted this derivation for the Cornish Cornovii: Victor Watts in the Cambridge Dictionary of English Place-names (2010), for instance, derives it from a postulated original tribal name *Cornowii, "the people of the horn".[4]
Malcolm Todd, in The South West to AD 1000 (1987), discusses the alternative etymologies that have been put forward. These include the name being a reference to dwellers in promontory forts, and an explanation hypothesised by Ann Ross in 1967 that the tribal names may be totemic cult-names referring to a "horned god" cult followed by the tribes, which Todd says may be cognate with the Gaulish Cernunnos or the unnamed horned god of the Brigantes.[3]

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Cernunnos is the conventional name given in Celtic studies to depictions of the "horned god" of Celtic polytheism. The name itself is only attested once, on the 1st-century Pillar of the Boatmen, but depictions of a horned or antlered figure, often seated cross-legged and often associated with animals and holding or wearing torcs, are known from other instances.
Nothing is known about the god from literary sources, and details about his name, his cult or his significance in Celtic religion are unknown. Speculative interpretations identify him as a god of nature or fertility.[1]

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In Celtic polytheism, Sirona was a goddess worshipped predominantly in East Central Gaul and along the Danubian limes. A healing deity, she was associated with healing springs; her attributes were snakes and eggs.... She was particularly worshipped by the Treveri in the Moselle Valley.
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The name of the goddess was written in various ways: Sirona, Đirona, Thirona,[1] indicating some difficulty in capturing the initial sound in the Latin alphabet. The symbol Đ is used here to represent the Tau Gallicum, an additional letter used in Gaulish representing the cluster ts which was interchangeable with st- in word-initial position[2][3] and it is not a form of the letter "D". The root is a long vowel Gaulish variant of proto-Celtic *ster- (*h2ster) meaning ‘star’.[4] The same root is found in Old Irish as ser, Welsh seren, Middle Cornish sterenn and Breton steren(n).[5]

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The Carnutes, a powerful Gaulish people in the heart of independent Gaul, dwelt in an extensive territory between the Sequana (Seine) and the Liger (Loire) rivers
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The iconography of their numismatics includes the motifs of heads with traditional Celtic torcs; a wolf with a star; a galloping horse; and the triskelion. Many coins show an eagle with the lunar crescent, with a serpent, or with a wheel with six or four spokes, or a pentagrammatic star, or beneath a hand holding a branch with berries, holly perhaps. The wheel with four spokes forms a cross within a circle, an almost universal image since Neolithic times. Sometimes the circle is a ring of granules. Among the Celts, the ring and spokes may represent the cycle of the year divided in its four seasons, rather than the sun, which is a common meaning among cultures.[1] See Cross.

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Cornacates were a Celtic[1] tribe that migrated to Pannonia in Illyria.

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The Segusiavi ("Victorious ones") were a Celtic tribe of Gaul, whose fortress was located at Lugdunum (modern Lyons).[1]
The name "Segusiavi" may have been an alternative name of the "Segobriges" who were legendarily involved with Greeks in pre-Roman Gaul and the foundation myth of Massalia.[2]

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The Saarland (German: das Saarland – German pronunciation: [das ˈzaːɐlant], French: Sarre) is one of Germany's sixteen federal states (Bundesländer). With its capital at Saarbrücken

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truthSeeker:

Cornovii su možda Serijani u velikoj Britaniji

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gledajući mape...
rog u 2 od 3 slučaja ima veze sa lokacijom...
rog na jugu Britanije je Cornwall, rog na severu su Cornovii

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truthSeeker:

o irancima kao mogućim starosedeocima na Balkanu govori sledeći pasus

Tračani sahranjuju mrtve gozbama...
a iznad njih ispod Dunava a sve do Veneta žive Sigini narod koji nosi odeću Međana i sebe naziva kolonistima iz Medije...
njihovo ime vezano je za reč "koplje" na Kipru a za trgovce kod Ligura iznad Marseja


Herodotus - History book 5 chapter 9

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0126%3Abook%3D5%3Achapter%3D9

Sigini žive negde severno od Dunava...
Strabo ne zna za druge narode severno od Tračana i severno od Dunava...ali misli da se Sigini prostiru sve do Veneta....
pitanje je naravno dokle se u stvari prostiru Veneti i Sarmati...zavisno od toga iranski Sygini mogu biti ili na istoku Rumunije ili u celoj bivšoj Jugi do Istre...
ja mislim da su Sygini negde u Dakiji (možda oko grada Singidava).. a od njih do Jadrana i do Baltika su Veneti... d

Dunav je bio velika barijera za Tračane.... oni ga izgleda nisu često prelazili...
zemlja iza Dunava za njih je zemlja u koju se ne može ići jer je puna pčela a gde se kao narod pominju neki čije ime se vezuje za koplje i za trgovinu...
Dačani bi mogli biti sličnog porekla kao Deutsch


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_peoples



ipak u davna vremena Tračani bi možda bili jedna celina sa Baltima... pleme Aesti je bilo jedno od plemena Trakije
a Dačani bi bili i prelaz od Tračana ka Venetima
Veneti bi se mešani sa Sarmatima prostirali od Baltika do jadranskog mora preko Slovačke i takođe severno od Kavkaza...
među Sarmatima bi živeli Alani tj. Seres ljudi (Seriani /Sarve /Sirbi) koji su ranije živeli u Aziji od male Azije do Tibeta...

Alani nisu sasvim isto što i Sarmati...

http://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alani


mač im je sarmatski, lukovi kao kod Skita...
grnčarija im je slična germanskoj...
neki autori smatraju da su se ranije zvali Massagetae....što znači "veliki Getae"...
navodno oni se doseljavaju u sarmatske zemlje tek u 1-om ili 2-om veku...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alani

Tacitus Gotine smatra Gaulima tj. Keltima a ne Germanima....
znajući da Alane rimski autori izjednačavaju sa velikim Getima (Massagetae) postaje i jasnije zašto Alani i Sordisci imaju značenje jednako kao Serbi ("shining ones") ali na jeziku Kelta....

uz to Alani /Jaši /Asi / Osi živve i u centralnoj Evropi u vreme Tacitusa...on ih svrstava u Panonce


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suebi

ovo dovodi do zaključka da su Panonci bili pra-Sloveni
dok Alani /Jaši /Asi / Osi a među njima i nosioci imena Serijani / Sarve / Srbi i Orineani / Hrvati žive među Panoncima, moguće kao vojna i državna elita...čineći zajedno podunavske Slovene koje ruska primarna hronika pre širenja rimskog carstva smešta u srednji Dunav i među kojima eksplicirtno pominje Srbe, Hrvate i Karantance......

ja verujem da su Panonci centralni deo Veneta...a da su pra-Sloveni sva venetsko-sarmatska plemena od severnog dela bivše Jugoslavije preko Panonije i slovačke, preko Veneta do Baltika, pa onda preko Anta iznad Crnog mora do plemena Alani, Siraci i Aorsi na krajnjem istoku...što je vrlo slično današnjem etničkom prostoru Slovena....

Tračani i Dačani su srodni ali različiti...možda bliži Baltima i Germanima...

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Thucydides:

Po cemu su razliciti ako ih svi ubrajaju u Tracane? Ako su Tracani drugi najveci narod na svetu. I uopste, ko kaze da je postojala razlika izmedju Sarmata i Tracana? Kao da su oni imali neku nacionalnu svest, pa su se znale granice izmedju jednih i drugih? Trakija i Sarmatija su verovatno oznake za jednu te istu teritoriju, te kad se govori npr. o crnomorju, cas se moze govoriti o Sarmatima, cas o Tracanima.

Sto se tice Sueba i Vandala, oni su najbolji dokaz da su Germani bili nomadi, jer nazivi poticu od Schweben i Wandeln, odnosno plutati i lutati.

Nomadstvo je takoreci default status vecine naroda, jer je kultura prolazna i obicno degenerise u nomadstvo, odnosno varvarstvo. Zamisljati bilo koji narod kao nepromenjiv sa vecnim karakteristikama, tj. bogom-dan je najveca greska i falsifikovanje istorije.

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Thucydides:

Germani sebe uopste tako nisu zvali, nego Teutsch, sto znaci krsteni. Nomadi su uvek veliki metafizicari i religija im igra daleko vecu ulogu od bilo cega drugog. isto kao kod muslimana koji su uglavnom beduini.

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The English word German comes from Latin germanus, germani "German," originally the name of a specific tribe. The name was eventually applied by the Romans to all Germans, and the name Germania was given to the land of the Germans. A possible etymology for this tribal name is "spear men" gari "spear" + mann "man." Other words that are related to the Latin/English term are Modern Hebrew גרמנית germanit, Hindi जरमन jarman, and Indonesian jerman.

German deutsch is from Old High German diutisg and Low German theodisc, meaning "of the people," which comes from an Indo-European root, teuta-, meaning "tribe" or "clan." This became tuath "people" in Old Irish and theod "people, nation in Old English."

The Italian tedesco comes from this root, as do the Swedish word tysk and the English word Dutch, which formerly was applied to all Germans, but gradually came to refer only to those Germanic people who inhabit what is now the Netherlands. In Dutch, German is duits.

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Danish: Tyskland
Dutch: Duitsland
Faroese: Týskland
Frisian: Dútslân
German: Deutschland
Icelandic: Þýskaland
Norwegian: Tyskland
Northern Sami: Duiska
Swedish: Tyskland

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A square headed person has an angular jawline the same width as their foreheads. The vast majority of society considers squareheadeness as ugly and unattractive, (especially for women)

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Herman Hese

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Thucydides:

Sto se tice Tracana, zavrseci imena gradova jasno ukazuju na Slovenstvo -ica, -ava, -eja...

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The endings -bria ("town, city"), -disza, -diza, -dizos ("fortress, walled settlement"), -para, -paron, -pera, -phara ("town, village") are from the Thracian language, as are numerous other lexical elements in this list. Strabo translated -bria as polis, but that may not be accurate.[17] Thracian -disza, -diza, and -dizos are derived from Proto-Indo-European *dheigh-, "to knead clay", hence to "make bricks", "build walls", "wall", "walls", and so on. These Thracian lexical items show a satemization of PIE *gh-. Cognates include Ancient Greek teichos ("wall, fort, fortified town", as in the town of Didymoteicho) and Avestan daēza ("wall").

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Thucydides:

Spartakus je bio "Tracanin od nomadske rase" prema opisu jednog istoricara. Mozda bi Trakiju trebalo zamisljati kao danasnju Crnu Goru, tu su razna plemena koja zive u nekom svom mikro-kosmosu, sa ponekim gradom tu i tamo, a najrazlicitijeg su porekla, tako da su i Tracani i Sarmati mogli da zive jedni pored drugih vekovima bez da se ikad sretnu i pomesaju.

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truthSeeker:

pre "Tračani i Dačani su srodni ali različiti." sam pričao o Venetima... rečenica je značila da su Tračani i Dačani srodni Venetima ali različiti...
Tračane sam sklon da vezujem za Balte pre nego za pra-Slovene zbog jezika...sačuvane reči bliže su jeziku Balta nego Slovena...
Dačani sa druge strane bi mogli da imaju znatan upliv ranih Germana..npr. Getea je moglo da bude istog porekla kao Goti, a Dačani kao Deutch...ovo je doduše ideja u domenu slobodnih asocijacija i nemam nešto opipljivo čime bih mogao da je potkrepim.....

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The Getae were considered the same people as the Goths by Jordanes in his Getica written at the middle of the 6th century. He also claims that at one point the "Getae" migrated out of Scandza, while identifying their deity Zalmoxis as a Gothic king. Jordanes assumed the earlier testimony of Orosius.

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truthSeeker:

o irancima kao mogućim starosedeocima na Balkanu govori sledeći pasus

Tračani sahranjuju mrtve gozbama
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The wealthy have the following funeral practices. First they lay out the dead for three days, and after killing all kinds of victims and making lamentation, they feast. After that they do away with the body either by fire or else by burial in the earth, and when they have built a barrow, they initiate all kinds of contests, in which the greatest prizes are offered for the hardest type of single combat. Such are the Thracian funeral rites.

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Herodotus - History book 5 chapter 9

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0126%3Abook%3D5%3Achapter%3D9
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Thucydides:

Mislim da si ti jedini koji uporno negira da su Srbi Tracani. Kao da imas neki kompleks "indoevropejstva". Za mene su stari Grci alfa i omega, a Arijevci su stari degenerici kojima su vladali svestenici. Tako da bih imao itekako razloga da se stidim R1a.

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The Illyrian tribes are many, as is natural in so extensive a country; and celebrated even now are the names of the Scordisci and the Triballi, who inhabited a wide region and destroyed each other by wars to such a degree that the remnant of the Triballi took refuge with the Getæ on the other side of the Danube, and, though flourishing until the time of Philip and Alexander, is now extinct and its name scarcely known in the regions once inhabited by it. The Scordisci, having been reduced to extreme weakness in the same way, and having suffered much at a later period in war with the Romans, took refuge in the islands of the same river. In the course of time some of them returned and settled on the confines of Pannonia, and thus it happens that a tribe of the Scordisci still remains in Pannonia. In like manner the Ardiæi, who were distinguished for their maritime power, were finally destroyed by the Autarienses, whose land forces were stronger, but whom they had often defeated. The Liburni, another Illyrian tribe, were next to the Ardiæi as a nautical people. These committed piracy in the Adriatic Sea and islands with their light, fast-sailing pinnaces, from which circumstance the Romans to this day call their own light, swift biremes liburnicas.

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Such was the punishment which the god visited upon the Illyrians and the Celts for their impiety. But they did not desist from temple robbing, for again, in conjunction with the Celts, certain Illyrian tribes, especially the Scordisci, the Mædi, and the Dardani again invaded Macedonia and Greece together, and plundered many temples, including that of Delphi, but losing many men this time also.

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So much by way of preface concerning the peoples whom the Greeks called Illyrians.

[6] These peoples, and also the Pannonians, the Rhærtians, the Noricans, the Mysians of Europe, and the other neighboring tribes who inhabited the right bank of the Danube, the Romans distinguished from one another just as the various Greek peoples are distinguished from each other, and they call each by its own name, but they consider the whole of Illyria as embraced under a common designation.

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Among these seventy-two nations, the Slavic race is derived from the line of
Japheth, since they are the Noricians, who are identical with the Slavs

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Over a long period the Slavs settled beside the Danube, where the Hungarian and Bulgarian
lands now lie. From among these Slavs, parties scattered throughout the country and were known
by appropriate names, according to the places where they settled. Thus some came and settled by
the river Morava, and were named Moravians, while others were called Czechs. Among these
same Slavs are included the White Croats, the Serbs, and the Carinthians. For when the Vlakhs
attacked the Danubian Slavs, settled among them, and did them violence, the latter came and
made their homes by the Vistula, and were then called Lyakhs. Of these same Lyakhs some were
called Polyanians, some Lutichians, some Mazovians, and still others Pomorians.

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The Draus runs through the Serretes, the Serrapilli5, the Iasi, and the Andizetes; the Savus through the Colapiani6 and the Breuci; these are the principal peoples. Besides them there are the Arivates, the Azali, the Amantini, the Belgites, the Catari, the Cornacates, the Eravisci, the Hercuniates7, the Latovici, the Oseriates, the Varciani, and, in front of Mount Claudius, the Scordisci, behind it the Taurisci.

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The Berziti (Bulgarian, Macedonian, Serbian: Берзити, Greek: Βερζήτες) were a South Slavic tribe that settled in Byzantine Macedonia in the 7th century AD with the Slavic invasion of the Balkans. The Berziti settled in the vicinity of Lychnidos (Ohrid).[1] One part of the same tribe settled in Brest, Belarus, while another, also known as Brsjaci, moved south into the Balkans.[2]

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Goplans, Goplanes or Goplanie were an early medieval West Slavic tribe, which later became part of the Polish nation. They are assumed to be the "Glopeani" mentioned in the Bavarian Geographer (around 845 AD) and believed to have lived around Lake Gopło, with their capital in Kruszwica, between the 7th and 9th centuries AD.

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Now while the Slavs dwelt along the Danube, as we have said, there came from among the
Scythians, that is, from the Khazars, a people called Bulgars who settled on the Danube and
oppressed the Slavs. Afterward came the White Ugrians, who inherited the Slavic country.

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Thucydides:

Pa jasno je da su Sloveni, odnosno Sclavini tj. Srbi bili preko Dunava, jer su bili zemljoradnici, sto su i danas, te ne spadaju u Ilire, ali su svi presli Dunav i zauzeli Ilirik i sve juzno od Dunava, tako da se severno nema vise sta traziti o njima. Cilj im je bila osveta i zauzimanje Rima, verovatno pouceni gotskim primerom. A Goti su nastali navodno od Geta, mada nije verovatno. I Karantinci su navodno Srbi, tj. Sclavini. Verovatno su se zvali Srbima, pa su im Rimljani dali naziv Sclavina, a oni to pretvorili u Slaveni. izvorno su to sve Srbi. Zato i smatram da je tesko razlikovati Tracane od Sarmata, jer je Sarmizegetusa mesavina iz koje su nastali Sloveni, odnosno Srbi. Verovatno su ipak bili vecinom I2a, kao sto je i Sarmatija vecinom R1a sa znacajnim prisustvom I2a.

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Thucydides:

Pa Avari su saveznici Sclavina protiv Anta koje su sa Antima zavadili Rimljani. Rimljani su podrzavali Ante koji su sa Sclavinima bili slicni, ako ne isti po nosnji i obicajima, i drustvenom uredjenju. Divide et impera. Ante su Avari najzad i politicki unistili. To je starije od sukoba Avara i Sclavina. .

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In the land of Scythia to the westward dwells, first of all, the race of the Gepidae, surrounded by great and famous rivers. For the Tisia flows through it on the north and northwest, and on the southwest is the great Danube. On the east it is cut by the Flutausis, a swiftly eddying stream that sweeps whirling into the Ister's waters. (34) Within these rivers lies Dacia, encircled by the lofty Alps as by a crown. Near their left ridge, which inclines toward the north, and beginning at the source of the Vistula, the populous race of the Venethi dwell, occupying a great expanse of land. Though their names are now dispersed amid various clans and places, yet they are chiefly called Sclaveni and Antes. (35) The abode of the Sclaveni extends from the city of Noviodunum and the lake called Mursianus to the Danaster, and northward as far as the Vistula. They have swamps and forests for their cities. The Antes, who are the bravest of these peoples dwelling in the curve of the sea of Pontus, spread from the Danaster to the Danaper, rivers that are many days' journey apart. (36)

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Thucydides:

Sclavini su ocigledno bili pod uticajem Grka, kao sto su i Germani pod uticajem Rima.
Nije masta, nego je kod tebe masta koja se igra slovima kao malo dete.

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Thucydides:

Dakle, prvo su Rimljani podrzavali Alane protiv Sclavina, tako su ovi poslednji i dobili ime. Zatim su pod naletom Huna Goti i Alani otisli na zapad i ostavili Sclavinima nezavisnost. Onda su Rimljani uspeli da zavade Ante i Sclavine, tu se umesaju Avari i potuku Ante. Zatim zajedno sa Sclavinima opsedaju Balkan.

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Thucydides:

Ne bi me iznenadilo da su Anti upravo Hrvati.

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A Grci su imali uticaj na Sclavine zbog tracke veze, odnosno grckih gradova na crnom moru

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Depending on the historical period, borrowing has proceeded from various languages. Recent borrowing is primarily of "international" words from the English language, mainly those that have Latin or Greek roots, for example komputer (computer), korupcja (corruption) etc. Slang sometimes borrows and alters common English words, e.g. luknąć (to look). Concatenation of parts of words (e.g. auto-moto), which is not native to Polish but common in English, for example, is also sometimes used. When borrowing international words, Polish often changes their spelling. For example, Latin suffix '-tion' corresponds to -cja. To make the word plural, -cja becomes -cje. Examples of this include inauguracja (inauguration), dewastacja (devastation), recepcja (reception), konurbacja (conurbation) and konotacje (connotations). Also, the digraph qu becomes kw (kwadrant = quadrant; kworum = quorum).
Other notable influences in the past have been Latin (9th–18th centuries), Czech (10th and 14th–15th centuries), Italian (15th–16th centuries), French (18th–19th centuries), German (13–15th and 18th–20th centuries), Hungarian (14th–16th centuries) and Turkish (17th century).

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PIE *ḱerh₂weh₂ is a derivation of root PIE *ḱerh₂-, horn; cf. Sanskrit śiras, Ancient Greek κεραός, Lat. cervus etc.

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From all the different names of the same Celtic people in literature and inscriptions it is possible to abstract a continental Celtic segment, boio-.[3] There are two major derivations of this segment, both presupposing that it belongs to the family of Indo-European languages: from 'cow' and from 'warrior.' The Boii would thus be either "the herding people" or "the warrior people."
The "cow" derivation depends most immediately on the Old Irish legal term for "outsider:" amboue, from proto-Celtic *ambouios, "not a cattle owner."[4] In a reference to the first known historical Boii, Polybius relates[5] that their wealth consisted of cattle and gold, that they depended on agriculture and war, and that a man's status depended on the number of associates and assistants he had. The latter were presumably the *ambouii, as opposed to the man of status, who was *bouvios, a cattle owner, and the *bouii were originally a class, "the cattle owners."
The "warrior" derivation was adopted by the linguist Julius Pokorny, who presented it as being from Indo-European *bhei(ə)-, *bhī-, "hit;" however, not finding any Celtic names close to it (except for the Boii), he adduces examples somewhat more widely from originals further back in time: phohiio-s-, a Venetic personal name; Boioi, an Illyrian tribe; Boiōtoi, a Greek tribal name ("the Boeotians") and a few others.[6] Boii would be from the o-grade of *bhei-, which is *bhoi-. Such a connection is possible if the original form of Boii belonged to a tribe of Proto-Indo-European speakers long before the time of the historic Boii. If that is the case, then the Celtic tribe of central Europe must have been a final daughter population of a linguistically diversifying ancestor tribe.

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Then Aias, son of Telamon, was first to slay his man, even great-souled Epicles, comrade of Sarpedon, [380] for he smote him with a huge jagged rock, that lay the topmost of all within the wall by the battlements. Not easily with both hands could a man, such as mortals now are, hold it, were he never so young and strong, but Aias lifted it on high and hurled it, and he shattered the four-horned helmet, and crushed together [385] all the bones of the head of Epicles; and he fell like a diver from the high wall, and his spirit left his bones.

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The city lies at the foot of two hills a few km from the sea, dominating the Argive plain. Described by Pausanias, it has been cited many times by historians and orators, as well as by epic and tragic poets.
The earliest of the Pelasgian settlements, it was also the most important.
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Grave-offerings, the chief evidence of the next centuries, once again become extremely plentiful about Pheidon's time; the museum has a unique collection of the original Geometric ware of Argos as well as a cuirass found beside a helmet with a crest shaped like a crescent, both exceptionally well preserved. On the other hand, the sculpture schocls of archaic and classical Argos, so renowned in antiquity, have left practically no trace on the site.

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The Gorgon's head is the most favourite design, and is interesting as showing that the figures were intended to be prophylactic (ἀποτρόπαια). The crescents which are frequently found with the other forms have doubtless the same purpose. One of the most curious varieties is that in which two boar's or other curved teeth are joined together at the base, forming a crescent. This is not only common on monuments and in the graves, but is mentioned in literature, as when Statius (Stat. Theb. 9.689) speaks of “niveo lunata monilia dente” (for other references see Stephani, Compte Rendu, 1865, p. 180). These crescents of teeth are also seen in antique necklaces, have been found in Saxon graves, and are still in use for the same purpose in parts of Europe, Africa, and Asia.

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There is debate about when the arch was built,[2] but current research that accepts the inscription as evidence[3] favours a date during the reign of Augustus (27 BC - AD 14).[4] It was built on the former via Agrippa to honor the veterans of the Gallic Wars and Legio II Augusta. It was later reconstructed by emperor Tiberius to celebrate the victories of Germanicus over the German tribes in Rhineland.[4]

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For two whole years the Helvetii planned and prepared themselves, and emissaries were sent out to various Gallic tribes assuring safe passages and alliances. They pledged themselves to take the field in the third year.
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The Helvetii retained and armed their client[citation needed] tribes: the Rauraci, the Tulingi, the Latovici, and the Boii from whom they had hired a contingent of horsemen.
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In the ensuing Battle of Bibracte, the Celts and Romans fought for the better part of the day in a hotly contested battle with the Romans eventually gaining victory after hours of hard fighting. Caesar writes that "the contest long and vigorously carried on with doubtful success." The defeated Helvetii offered their surrender which Caesar accepted. However, 6,000 men of the Helvetian clan of the Verbigeni fled to avoid capture. Upon Caesar's orders, other Gallic tribes captured and returned these fugitives, who were executed. Those who had surrendered were ordered back to their homeland to rebuild it, and the necessary supplies were organized to feed them, as they were far too useful as a buffer between the Romans and other northern tribes, such as the Germans, to let them migrate elsewhere. In the captured Helvetian camp, Caesar claims that a census written in Greek was found and studied: of a grand total of 368,000 Helvetii, of which 92,000 were able-bodied men, only 110,000 survivors were left to return home (De Bello Gallico, I, 25 to 29).

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Sulla attacked this newly built wall at once with his whole army, thinking that as it was still moist and weak he could easily demolish it, but as he had to work in a narrow space and was exposed to missiles from above, both in front and flank, as is usual with crescent-shaped fortifications, he was again worn out.

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(3) The passage shows the close connexion of Aphrodite with the Babylonian Mylitta, the Assyrian Ishtar, the Phoenician Astarte; whether there was actual borrowing, or whether independent cults were assimilated, it is impossible to say; probably both were the case (v. i.). Ishtar was the queen of the gods, at once warrior goddess and goddess of generation, the destroyer of life and its renewer. From Assyria her worship spread to Phoenicia (cf. 105. 2 n. for her temple at Ashkelon), and thence to Cyprus (for her temple at Paphos cf. Tac. Hist. ii. 2-3; 105. 3 n.). Her shrine at Cythera was founded by Phoenicians (105. 2 n.), and was the oldest in Greece (cf. her epithet Κυθέρεια in Od. viii. 288). For the rites at her temple in Babylon cf. c. 199 n.; for impure ritual in Greece (at Corinth only) Strabo, 378, and Athen. 573. She was identified at once with the evening star, ‘the star of love,’ and with the moon (cf. Milton, P. L. i. 439, ‘Astarte, queen of heaven, with crescent horns’); this later identification was probably due to a confusion with Isis and Hathor, who are represented as supporting on their horned heads the solar disk; these symbols were mistakenly interpreted as the crescent and the full moon. That the Greeks were conscious of the partially foreign origin of Aphrodite is shown by her epithets Κύπρις (Il. v. 330), Κυπρογενής (Hesiod), &c.; for these cf. Od. viii. 362.
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The name Mylitta is probably the ‘bilit’ or ‘belit’ of the Assyrian inscriptions = ‘lady’, i. e. the feminine of Baal or Bel = ‘lord’.

Aliat (cf. iii. 8. 3) = Al Ilât, ‘the goddess.’ What was originally a common noun became a proper name; so ‘Astarte’, properly an epithet signifying fruitfulness (Deut. vii. 13), became the name of a goddess.

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truthSeeker:

kao što se kola zovu Sarba, Sardaneska, Sirtaki, Tartanela....
opanci kod Bugara se zovu tsârvouli, a kod Grka tsarouhi

nego interesuju me tradicionalne cipele sa kljunom na vrhu...
ima li taj dizajn neke prednosti, da li je samo estetski ili je praktičan ili ima neki simbolički smisao....

Galesh cipele u Iranu

verujem da u drevna vremena ime cipela ili dela odeće često ima veze sa imenom naroda od koga su usvojene

Galesh može imati veze sa Galima tj. Keltima...
Krakov shoes

Šumadijski opanak sa kljunom

klompe iz Danske imaju šiljat vrh i zovu se Traesco

francuske klompe imaju šiljat vrh i zovu se Sabot

Mojari /Khussa cipele u Indiji

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojari

Pogledajte prilog 323959
Pogledajte prilog 323958

ime Khussa verovatno ima veze sa plemenom Kushani... u pitanju je jedno od plemena Yuezhi konfederacije...koje se pred Mongolima iz oblasti Serice / Xinyang spustilo u Pakistan i Indiju i tamo zasnovalo svoje carstvo...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kushan

kao što sam već govorio moje mišljenje je da su Yuezhi isti ljudi kao Jaziges tj. Alani i da su deo njih ili svi oni pleme pod imenom Srbi koje vezano za zemlju Serica beleže pod imenom Sarve rimski istoričari na osnovu izjava stanovnika Cejlona o narodu koji živi iza Himalaja, kao i Kinezi u svojim zapisima pod imenom sirbi/Sirvi/Serbi

videti http://forum.krstarica.com/showthread.php/677852-Etnolo%C5%A1ke-sli%C4%8Dnosti-i-razlike-Srba-sa-drugim-narodima?p=27537747&viewfull=1#post27537747

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Kierpce (gw. kiyrpce) – tradycyjne obuwie skórzane noszone przez górali. Kierpce wytwarzane są z prawdziwej, twardej skóry, dzięki której są wytrzymałe. Mężczyźni zazwyczaj noszą kierpce czarne, kobiety – w jasnym kolorze.
Kierpce stosowane były powszechnie do XX m.in. w Karpatach i na Bałkanach, np. w Albanii znane są pod nazwą "opinga".
W Polsce kierpce znane są przede wszystkim jako element stroju górali podhalańskich.

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The Polish Tatra Sheepdog is a breed of dog introduced into the Tatra Mountains of Southern Poland by Vlachian (Romanian) shepherds.

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The Maremma Sheepdog, in Italian Cane da pastore Maremmano-Abruzzese, usually referred to as just Maremmano, is a breed of livestock guardian dog indigenous to central Italy, particularly to Abruzzo and the Maremma region of Tuscany and Lazio. ...Similar breeds include the Pyrenean Mountain Dog, the Kuvasz of Hungary, the Tatra of Poland and the Šarplaninac (although not white), with all of which it may share a common ancestor;[2][3] and the Akbash Dog of Turkey.

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The Alaunt is an extinct breed of dog, its original breed having existed in central Asia and Europe from ancient times through the 17th century. A number of modern dog breeds are believed[by whom?] to be descended from the Alaunt. The original Alaunt is thought to have resembled a Caucasian Shepherd Dog. They were large, short coated dogs of varying type. The Alaunt was bred by the Alani tribes, the nomads of Indo-European Sarmatian ancestry who spoke an Indo-Iranian language. The Alans were known as superb warriors, herdsmen, and breeders of horses and dogs. The Alans bred their dogs for work and had developed different strains within the breed for specific duties.

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truthSeeker:

ko su narodi osim Sherdana koji nose šlemove sa rogovima kroz istoriju?

vođa Likijaca je Sarpedon (ime ili titula?)
...u sceni koja opisuje kako Ajas ubija Sarpedonovog saborca Epikla opisuje se kako mač prolazi kroz njegov šlem sa 4 roga...


[Homer -Ilijada]
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0134:book=12:card=364&highlight=horned%2Chelmet

4 roga na šlemu...
ako se kako sam objasnio u ranijoj analizi imzmeđu rogova načlazi ono za šta se vlasnici takvog šlema bore, onda se Epikle imajući 2 roga između 2 roga bori radi borbe i za svoje saborce koje rogovi simbolički predstavljaju...



grad Argos najvažnije naselje Pelazga u staroj Grčkoj

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0006:entry=argos&highlight=helmet%2Ccrescent


http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0063:entry=phalerae-cn&highlight=helmet%2Ccrescent

kao što rekoh "tusk" je kljova - zub...deutch je kod svih Germana osim Nemaca "tysk"
pa Germani prave polumesec od kljova i zuba
dok Srbi i Hrvati prave polumesec od rogova... PIE *ḱerh₂-, horn; Sanskrit śiras, mađarsko - szarve, finsko - sarvi, latinsko -cervus, takođe mongolsko sar za mesec i sartuuli /sart za mesečev klan - stanovnike zemlje Serice

Germani sa kljovama i Srbo-Hrvati sa rogovima to su dve varijante obožavanja boginje zore Serpanit čiji je simbol mesec...
uostalom znamo da i Suebi obožavaju Isis koja je ista boginja



trjumfalna kapija u mestu Orange

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/Arch_in_Orange%2C_France_Aug_2013_-_Detail.jpg

na njoj se vide i šlem sa rogovima i delovi štitova koji imaju ognjila razdvojena vertikalnom linijom (polovina srpskog grba) kao i polumesece prikazane na isti način...

evo nekih od štitova sa ove trijumfalne kapije...
očigledno sva 3 prikazana štita imaju jasne elemente kasnijeg srpskog grba...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumphal_Arch_of_Orange

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The bust of a bearded figure holding on to a broken wheel is the main constituent of plate C. A smaller, leaping figure with a horned helmet is also holding the rim of the wheel. Under the leaping figure is a horned serpent. The group is surrounded by griffins and other creatures, some similar to those on plate B. The wheel's spokes are rendered asymmetrical, but judging from the lower half, the wheel may have had twelve spokes.

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Suryavansha or Suryavam(n)sham or Solar Dynasty was a dynasty of ancient India. The term Suryavanshi refers to a person belonging to Suryvansha dynasty.
The Suryavanshi clan is an ancient Kshatriya clan of India. They are also known by many synonyms as Adityavansa, Mitravansa, Arkavanśa and Ravivansa.

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The Gundestrup cauldron is a richly decorated silver vessel, thought to date between 200 BC and 300 AD, placing it within the late La Tène period or early Roman Iron Age.[1][2] The cauldron is the largest known example of European Iron Age silver work (diameter: 69 cm, height: 42 cm). It was found in 1891 in a peat bog near the hamlet of Gundestrup in the Aars parish of Himmerland, Denmark (56°49′N 9°33′E).[3][4][5] It is now housed at the National Museum of Denmark in Copenhagen (with a replica in the National Museum of Ireland in Dublin.)[6] Despite the fact that the vessel was found in Denmark, there has been a debate between a Gaulish origin and Thracian origin on account of the workmanship, metallurgy, and imagery.
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An examination of lead isotopes similar to the one used on the silver was employed for the tin. All of the samples of tin soldering are consistent in lead-isotope composition as ingots from Cornwall in western Britain. The tin used for soldering the plates and bowl together, as well as the glass eyes, is very uniform in its high purity.[1][2]
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The silverworking techniques used in the cauldron are unknown from the Celtic world, but are consistent with the renowned Thracian sheet-silver tradition. The scenes depicted are not distinctively Thracian, but certain elements of composition, decorative motifs, and illustrated items (such as the shoelaces on the antlered figure) identify it as Thracian work.[3][4]
Taylor and Bergquist have postulated that the Celtic tribe known as the Cordisci commissioned the cauldron from native Thracian silversmiths. According to classical historians, the Cimbri, a Teutonic tribe, went south from the lower Elbe region and attacked the Scordisci in 118 BC. After withstanding several defeats at the hands of the Romans, the Cimbri retreated north with the cauldron to settle in Himmerland, where the vessel was found.[3][4]

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According to the Matsya Purana, the Matsya Avatar of Vishnu is believed to have appeared initially as a Shaphari (a small carp), to King Manu (whose original name was Satyavrata[6]), the then King of Kumari Kandam, while he washed his hands in a river. This river was supposed to have been flowing down the Malaya Mountains in his land of Dravida. The little Fish asked the king to save Him, and out of compassion, he put it in a water jar. It kept growing bigger and bigger, until King Manu first put Him in a bigger pitcher, and then deposited Him in a well. When the well also proved insufficient for the ever-growing Fish, the King placed Him in a tank (reservoir), that was two yojanas (16 miles) in height above the surface and on land, as much in length, and a yojana (8 miles) in breadth.[15][16] As it grew further King Manu had to put the fish in a river, and when even the river proved insufficient he placed it in the ocean, after which it nearly filled the vast expanse of the great ocean.
It was then that He (Lord Matsya), revealing Himself, informed the King of an all-destructive deluge which would be coming very soon.[5][6][17][18] The King built a huge boat which housed his family, 9 types of seeds, and animals to repopulate the earth, after the deluge would end and the oceans and seas would recede. At the time of deluge, Vishnu appeared as a horned fish and Shesha appeared as a rope, with which Vaivasvata Manu fastened the boat to horn of the fish.[19]
According to the Matsya Purana, his boat was perched after the deluge on the top of the Malaya Mountains[5][6][17] This narrative is to an extent similar to other deluge stories, like those of Utnapishtim from ancient Sumerian Mythology, and the story of Noah's ark from the Bible [4] and the Qur'an.

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The following is a list, in chronological order, of some of the prominent monarchs of the Solar dynasty.[citation needed]
Manu or Vaivasvata Manu: the King of all mankind and the first human being on Earth. (According to Hindu belief there are 14 Manvantaras; in each, Manu rules.) Vaivasvata Manu was the seventh Manu.[7] Manu is referred to as a Rajan (King) in the Shatapatha Brahmana scripture. He had nine sons, Vena, Dhrishnu, Narishyan, Nabhaga, Ikshvaku, Karusha, Saryati, Prishadhru, Nabhagarishta and one daughter, Ila, who was married to Budha of the Lunar Dynasty. He left the kingdom to the eldest male of the next generation, Ikshvaku, who was actually the son of Manu's brother Shraaddev.

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truthSeeker:

ko su narodi osim Sherdana koji nose šlemove sa rogovima kroz istoriju?

vođa Likijaca je Sarpedon (ime ili titula?)
...u sceni koja opisuje kako Ajas ubija Sarpedonovog saborca Epikla opisuje se kako mač prolazi kroz njegov šlem sa 4 roga...


[Homer -Ilijada]
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0134:book=12:card=364&highlight=horned%2Chelmet

4 roga na šlemu...
ako se kako sam objasnio u ranijoj analizi imzmeđu rogova načlazi ono za šta se vlasnici takvog šlema bore, onda se Epikle imajući 2 roga između 2 roga bori radi borbe i za svoje saborce koje rogovi simbolički predstavljaju...



grad Argos najvažnije naselje Pelazga u staroj Grčkoj

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0006:entry=argos&highlight=helmet%2Ccrescent


http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0063:entry=phalerae-cn&highlight=helmet%2Ccrescent

kao što rekoh "tusk" je kljova - zub...deutch je kod svih Germana osim Nemaca "tysk"
pa Germani prave polumesec od kljova i zuba
dok Srbi i Hrvati prave polumesec od rogova... PIE *ḱerh₂-, horn; Sanskrit śiras, mađarsko - szarve, finsko - sarvi, latinsko -cervus, takođe mongolsko sar za mesec i sartuuli /sart za mesečev klan - stanovnike zemlje Serice

Germani sa kljovama i Srbo-Hrvati sa rogovima to su dve varijante obožavanja boginje zore Serpanit čiji je simbol mesec...
uostalom znamo da i Suebi obožavaju Isis koja je ista boginja



trjumfalna kapija u mestu Orange

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/Arch_in_Orange%2C_France_Aug_2013_-_Detail.jpg

na njoj se vide i šlem sa rogovima i delovi štitova koji imaju ognjila razdvojena vertikalnom linijom (polovina srpskog grba) kao i polumesece prikazane na isti način...

evo nekih od štitova sa ove trijumfalne kapije...
očigledno sva 3 prikazana štita imaju jasne elemente kasnijeg srpskog grba...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumphal_Arch_of_Orange

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truthSeeker:

njegov sin despot Stefan ima ljiljan stilizovan kao krajevi crvene kose...

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