TUTORIAL za Kanadu

Ma ok, samo polako i sve će se kockice same složiti.
Sva dokumentacija na engleskom se ne prevodi, nego nosiš prevodiocu overene kopije da bi preveo sudski štambilj, da prevede no što su u sudu napisali: kopija ista kao original, datum ,osoba... To sam ti već napisao ;)
 
Jedno pitanje za sve koji znaju :P
da li pri overavanju dokumenata ide obicna overa ili ide overa APOSTIlj razlika je u ceni, naime obicna je oko 260.00 dinara a taj famozni apostilj je 2090.00 dinara po dokumentu.
Hvala unapred jos jednom svima.
 
Evo da samo otklonim nedoumice oko kopija i prevoda. Neko je rekao da je bacanje para ako se kopije overavaju pa posle prevode. Ja mislim da to nije tako jer lepo piše u uputstvu za apliciranje:
Translation of documents
Any document that is not in English or French must be accompanied by:
 the English or French translation; and
 an affidavit from the person who completed the translation; and
 a certified copy of the document.

Note: An affidavit is a document on which the translator has sworn, in the presence of a commissioner authorized to administer oaths in the country in which the translator is living, that the contents of their translation are a true translation and representation of the contents of the original document.
Translations by family members are not acceptable.

Certified copies or notarized documents
To have a photocopy of a document certified, an authorized person must compare the original document to the photocopy and must print the following on the photocopy:

 „„I certify that this is a true copy of the original document‟‟
 the name of the original document
 the date of the certification
 his or her name
 his or her official position or title
 his or her signature

Who can certify copies? People authorized to certify copies include the following:
In Canada:
 a commissioner of oaths
 a notary public
 a justice of the peace
Outside Canada:
 a judge
 a magistrate
 a notary public
 an officer of a court of justice
 a commissioner authorized to administer oaths in the country in which the person is living


I ja sam prvo pomislio da ne treba da overavam kopije, ali sam onda shvatio da tako ne piše. Druga je stvar da li neko službeno lice hoće da progleda kroz prste. Sve u svemu na kraju se svodi da li je vredno rizikovati zbog par hiljada dinara koliko je potrebno za overe kopija, mada ništa strašno ne može da se desi, osim da ponovo zatraže dokumenta. Na priličan broj slučajeva sam naišao gde se kaže kako im ponovo traže dokumenta koja su već poslali, pa se pitam da nije zbog nečeg sličnog to tako. Kakogod, ja nisam hteo da rizikujem i ne preporučujem nikome da bilo šta radi mimo pravila koja su odredili. Jeste, sve je ovo skupo i vrlo neizvesno, ali već sam rekao da ako je "pala" odluka, onda treba smelo ići samo napred, pa šta košta da košta. Jeste, neko će proći jeftinije, neko će proći brže, i sve to uopšte nije važno, važan je cilj - dobiti vizu.
 
Debejki, ja sam podelila informaciju koju sam dobila od konsultanta koji se veoma dobro razume u proceduru imigracije... I na svom slucaju znam da mojoj aplikaciji nije progledano kroz prste, kako ti to vec definises... Svako ima izbor, naravno, ja sam podelila to sa drugima, jer mozda nekom nije stalo da "baca" pare na nesto sto ne mora. Eto toliko, nisam htela sigurno da nekog ubedjujem u nesto. Pozdrav! :)
 
Ne sumnjam u tvoje dobre namere i iskreno drago mi je što si uštedela novac na overe kopija. Eto, sada će neko ko još uvek nije aplicirao imati mogućnost izbora jer ja je nisam imao, kao ni mnogi do sada iz prostog razloga što niko nije ništa napisao o tome. Dobro bi bilo da nas ima više koji bismo otklonili mnogo nejasnoća oko apliciranja.
Srećno u daljoj proceduri i potom novom životu u Kanadi.
Hajde, pisaćemo se još na ovom forumu...
 
Evo copy za sve koje interesuje kako teče procedura i šta se dešava sa aplikacijom kao i za one koji nisu ovo pročitali na koenovom forumu:
1) CIO Sydney – Completeness check
Once your application arrives at CIO, Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada the first thing that happens is it will undergo a completeness check. This check will ensure:
- That you have included all required forms
- That any forms which have space for a signature have been signed and dated
- That you have not left any blank fields
- That you have included the correct payment fee
- That you have included all supporting documents required by both the main CIO checklist, and the visa-office specific checklist

If unsuccessful your entire application will be returned to you by regular post with a covering letter. You will not get an email notification from CIO.

2) CIO Sydney – Payment charged
If your completeness check is successful your payment will be taken. This means CIO will attempt to charge your credit card, or they will cash your banker's draft, depending on which method of payment you chose.

I would personally strongly advise using a banker's draft if possible. These are like personal cheques but they are guaranteed to clear so there can be no payment problems. Most banks will usually charge a small fee for issuing one of these.

Credit cards can be risky. Many banks and credit card issuers use automated security software and when the software sees the source from Canada it may block the transaction, which in turn could lead to your application failing and being returned.

If your payment is unsuccessful your entire application will be returned to you by regular post with a covering letter. You will not get an email notification from CIO.

3) CIO Sydney – Eligibility review
CIO then perform a complete eligibility review on your application, based on the information you have provided on your forms and they will examine your supporting documents to ensure it backs up the claims you have made.

For FSW1, they will be looking that the descriptions of your duties match the description of the NOC/s under which you are applying and will want to be satisfied that you have at least 1 year's continuous employment in at least one of the 29 in demand occupations.

For FSW2, they will need to see an AOE (Arranged Employment Opinion) or positive LMO (Labour Market Opinion) with a TWP and this must be for a job in Skill Levels 0 (Managerial) or A or B on the NOC list.

For both categories they will also assess your application against the selection criteria – age, education, work experience, adaptability, job offer and language skils etc, to ensure you have 67 points. They will use your supporting documents to convince themselves that there is sufficient proof to back up the claims you have made on your forms in these areas.

If your eligibility review is unsuccessful you will receive an email stating the reasons and your entire application will be returned to you. Since CIO have already taken payment by this point they will initiate a refund of your fees, which will likely take several months to get to you. Please note this is the last point at which you will receive a refund if your application is unsuccessful.

At this stage your ECAS status should now read “CIO eligibility review complete”.

UPDATE 18-Apr-2011: Please note that several people have been told that you do not get your application back AT ALL if your application is failed at the eligibility review stage, all you will receive is a refund for your processing fee.

4) CIO Sydney – PER issued and file transferred
If your eligibility review is successful, CIO will send you a confirmation of positive final eligiblity review. This will be by email if you specified an email on your application, otherwise they will send a letter by regular post. They will then transfer your file to the CHC/VO (Canadian High Commission/Visa Office) for further processing.

Please see the “PER” page of this blog for the text of the PER and also the CIC email address from which it will arrive, so you can add this into your contacts list on your email.

Once the file gets to the visa office (which usually takes 2 to 4 weeks) your ECAS status will read “Received by visa office”.

5) 2nd AOR from visa office

Once your application arrives at the visa office, they will sit on it for a while. When they are in a position to process it most visa offices will send you a 2nd AOR. Please see the link at the top for an example of this, from Manila office and the wordings vary from visa office to visa office. Also some offices send by email, and others send by snail mail. There is still no need to do anything at this stage. A few visa offices, most notably London, will not send a 2nd AOR at all but will skip this and go straight to medicals, or ask for further documentation.

6) Processing begins – document background checks

Once the visa office begins processing your file they will commence with document background checks.

At this stage your ECAS status should now read “In Process” with the extra line in the detail “Your application was reviewed and we started processing on <Date>”.

This document background check will include ascertaining the authenticity of your documents, and since they use some third party companies for this it could take a varying level of time depending on your visa office, the complexity of your case, and even the speed of the individual visa officer looking at your case. They may also perform employment verification checks which will involve telephoning both you (whilst at work) and your employer to ensure you give the same answers on their questions about your employment. Only a small percentage of applicants are likely to receive employment verification. Only if they are unconvinced by any of the work experience documents you sent, or if your application is one of the random spotchecks they do to prevent fraud, will they actually perform the verification.

Visa office may request further documentation from you during the processing phase, which can come by email or snail mail. They may also ask for a few things (PCCs or fresh forms) at the same time as medicals (see below)

7) Medical requests and RPRF fee request

Once the document background checks are completed satisfactorily, the visa office will write to you (usually by snail mail) requesting you to complete medicals and also requests RPRF (Right of Permanent Residents fee). They may also ask for updated documents such as PCCs and fresh forms at this stage. Please note that New Delhi visa office will also request passports at this stage. Most other visa offices will not request passports until they are about to finalize the application.

This will basically involve your booking medical appointments at one of the approved DMPs (Designated Medical Practitioner) throughout the country. The fee will vary slightly from DMP to DMP, but they are usually around CAD $450 per person, obviously converted into your own currency.

RPRF at this time (18-Apr-2011) is CAD $490 for the principal applicant and also for accompanying spouse. So PA + spouse in total is CAD $980.
 
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Postoji greška u tekstu, u pretposlednjem pasusu gde se pominje cena medicala-a. Nije CAD $450 već $150 (barem kod nas, u Srbiji) što je negde oko 115 €. Za decu je 60 € i plaća se još DHL usluga 1800 RSD.
 
4. A to sledi upravo nakon što sve papire skupite i popunite formulare. Naravno i platite (naš je ceh oko 1040 evri prva rata, a potom kada VO zatraži i još oko 730 €), sve u svemu ovo je lako izračunati (550$ za svakog odraslu osobu koja ide + 150$ za decu do 22 godine ako nisu venčani). Dakle prva tura dokumenata se šalje u Beč i njima se uplaćuje prvi iznos.Možete sačekati da se javi VO, ali možete i odmah poslati uverenje o nekažnjavanju i lekarski (doduše, ovo sam saznao iz nekih iskustava, a i neko je rekao na ovom forumu mislim), tako da nema šta više da se šalje, osim naravno poziva da se plati druga suma (490$ dolara z aplikanta i još toliko za supružnika) i potom da se ide na udaranje vize u pasoš. Sve može da se plati u dinarima u Komercijalnoj banci u Beogradu Kneza Milosa 83 (ovo piše u gorepomenutom pdf-u).
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Meni nije jasno ovaj deo oko placanja,ja sam mislio da se placa samo onaj deo 550$ za odrasle osobe,i 150 $ za decu.Mozeli mi neko objasniti sta se to jos placa?
 
Cao!
Meni su potrebni saveti kako otici u kanadu,moja situacija je sledeca:
imam muza i dvoje male dece,imamo oboje zavrsene fakultete ali nase zanimanje nije na listi trazenih zanimanja ,nazalost.Imamo rodjake u kanadi koji bi nam pomogli kad tamo dodjemo poslali bi sad garantno pismo,imaju veliku kucu tako da bih mogli stanovati kod njih bez problema koliko bude potrebno,ali nisu nam rodjeni tako da nemoze varijanta spajanje porodica.Znamo jezik dobro tako da bi mogli raditi i studirati(ako bi trbalo neko doskolovavanje)bez problema.
Ovde nismo zadovoljni zivotom bas nikko prvenstveno zbog dece jer nevidimo neku buducnost za njih ovde i imamo veliku zelju da odemo ako neko ima neku ideju ili savet molim da mi predlozite.
Hvala svima unapred!
 
Cao!
Meni su potrebni saveti kako otici u kanadu,moja situacija je sledeca:
imam muza i dvoje male dece,imamo oboje zavrsene fakultete ali nase zanimanje nije na listi trazenih zanimanja ,nazalost.Imamo rodjake u kanadi koji bi nam pomogli kad tamo dodjemo poslali bi sad garantno pismo,imaju veliku kucu tako da bih mogli stanovati kod njih bez problema koliko bude potrebno,ali nisu nam rodjeni tako da nemoze varijanta spajanje porodica.Znamo jezik dobro tako da bi mogli raditi i studirati(ako bi trbalo neko doskolovavanje)bez problema.
Ovde nismo zadovoljni zivotom bas nikko prvenstveno zbog dece jer nevidimo neku buducnost za njih ovde i imamo veliku zelju da odemo ako neko ima neku ideju ili savet molim da mi predlozite.
Hvala svima unapred!

to je pitanje za milion dolara :)
ovako na prvu loptu..mozete na investitorsku vizu (ako imate pare) ili da probate da vam rodjaci daju sponzorsku vizu (ako su kanadski drzavljani)
google-aj....sve info se lako nadju
 
Da dodam da smo dobili NER jer nismo poslali transkripte mog faksa i tako smo izgubili 4 boda. Mislio sam da je diploma dovoljna, ali cvrc. Takođe, nisu priznali faks u trajanju od pet godina kao master level i pored potvrda sa faksa da su studije ekvivalentne masteru a ni rodbinsku vezu bez izvoda MK. Od projektovanih 69-72 boda, dobili smo 63 i ispali. Dakle, za sve koji će tek da apliciraju, neka DOBRO PROČITAJU UPUTSTVO da ne bi prošli kao mi. Isključivo je moja greška što su nas odbili i ne zamerite što nisam detaljnije napisao šta treba u ovom tutorijalu.
 
Pozdrav svima !

Počinjem sa sakupljanjem potrebne dokumentacije za FSW 1, i imam nedoumicu oko nivoa obrazovanja, a poslednji post od Debejkija mi ne uliva nadu.Zapravo, završio sam arhitektonski fakultet u Beogradu, po starom nastavnom planu sa zvanjem diplomirani inženjer arhitekture VII-1 stepen, a fakultet mi je izdao potvrdu da sa stečenim zvanjem imam ista prava kao i master. Studije su trajale 5 godina-10 semestara, što kada se doda na 8 godina u osnovnoj i 4 u gimnaziji čini 17 godina obrazovanja.
Stvar je u tome što samo ako mi priznaju master obrazovanje i daju mi svih 25 poena, imam tačno 67 potrebnih za imigraciju.
-Da li neko ima iskustva sa zvanjem dipl inž. arhitekture i načinom na koji se to tumači u CIO?
-Šta su transkripti Faxa?
-Pošto nisam nigde našao da se traže svedočanstva iz OŠ, već samo diploma srednje škole, da li ta diploma srednje škole automatski dokazuje 12 godina obrazovanja pre akadmeskog?
Hvala unapred na odgovorima.
 
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Za imigracioni proces mi smo do sada dali 2100 EUR:

- 550 EUR za IELTS (150 za test i 400 za pripremu)
- 1000 EUR za CIO taksu (za troje)
- 550 EUR za vadjenje dokumenata, overe fotokopija, prevode i slanja

:ok: prevod me je kostao manje od 100 EUR, a ocekivao sam preko 250

Mi za sada nismo previse potrosili
- 700 EUR IELTS (3 ispita, jedan remark, 3 prenocista u BG, i desetak casova)
- 1000 EUR za CIO taksu (za cetvoro)
- 200 EUR dokumenti, overe kopija, prevodi i slanje uplatnice u Viennu

Ocekivao sam malo vise, ali sa druge strane kad saberem :eek: 2000 EUR !!!

Osim toga potrosili smo godinu dana napornog rada, ali sigurno se slazete da odlazak u Kanadu vredi i vise :)
 

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