Testirana brza pruga Novi Sad – Subotica, očekuje se zvanično puštanje u saobraćaj

mario80:
A onih 16 ubijenih ispod nadstrešnice u novom sadu? Oni mu ne fale?
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Чело је реко отприлике: "И да је погинуло 150 или 1500 Србија не сме стати. Удемо даље!" **бе се њима за људе. Ту су Бангладешани, Ганци и остали "индијанци".
 
Atomic™:

Bez najave otvorena brza pruga Novi Sad – Subotica: Vučić se u voz ukrcao na Prokopu​


https://nova.rs/vesti/drustvo/predsednik-vucic-otvara-brzu-prugu-beograd-subotica/
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Jel se secate kako su otvarali cak 2 WC, i dva skolska dvorista, 3 parkica....to je ono sto ja znam, sigurno je bilo i vise ja ne gledam dnevnik niti mnogo rovarim po netu , da mi nije gledanja filmova pa reklame iskacu , bio bih pravi inzenjer, ili mangup, ili oba ta a nista politika...
A sad ni Brzu prugu ne zaliju sampanjcem i pola sata reportaze uz nekog prasca uzujkanog na kocu....dobro to nije pozeljno u ovom trenutku , kolac, asocijacija...dobro samo uzujkani prasac na plehu....
 
fortes:
Samo izvolite junaci...besplatno je 5 dana kažu :lol:
Šta može poći po zlu? :mrgreen:
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Sad se setih jednog razgovora od pre 3 meseca, kad mi rodjak koji je jednom bio u NS i tad kad smo isli , izasli ispred zeleznicke, i bas nam najbolje mesto bilo ono nastresnica, napolju si a zasticen si od sumornog vremena .....i ukapiramo u tom razgovoru da smo mi ustvari bili pomalo ljubitelji te vadstresnice u NS zeleznickoj stanici...a i BG zeleznicka stanica ima nadstresnicu prolaz, info pult i razmenu deviza... i to je isto lep prostor za majanje, tj gubljenje vremena kad cekas na nekadasnjoj zeljeznickoj...unutra je buka, desno je izlaz u restoran i brzi prolaz, isto nije nesto , zadnji peroni grickalice i sendvici ,i hitna, i policija, ali nije bas zabavno , a ovo ,gledas dolaske vozova, i izlazak, a u blizini i kafanica...

Ljudi ustvari vole nadkrivene otvorene prostore...
 
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Blues Brothers:
Znaci i zvanicno je kradja legalizovana..
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Sva sreca pa EUropljani nisu gradili po 2-3x vecim cenama.

### Comparison of the Belgrade-Subotica High-Speed Rail Project

The Belgrade-Subotica high-speed rail project in Vojvodina, Serbia, spans approximately 183 km of mostly flat agricultural terrain, with minimal elevation changes, some river crossings, and design speeds up to 200 km/h. Its total construction cost is estimated at €1.878 billion (based on contract awards), equating to about **€10.27 million per km** (or ~$11.2 million per km at 2025 exchange rates). This includes track laying, electrification, signaling (ETCS Level 2), viaducts, and basic stations but excludes major land acquisition or tunneling, which are low in this region.

To compare, I've selected similar projects: high-speed or upgraded rail lines of roughly 100-200 km in length, primarily in flat or low-relief terrain (e.g., plains, lowlands, or agricultural areas), with comparable speeds (160-250 km/h). These are drawn from European and global examples where costs are well-documented and terrain avoids significant mountains or dense urban areas. Costs are infrastructure-only (track, electrification, signaling; excluding major stations unless bundled) and adjusted to approximate 2025 euros for fairness (using ~2% annual inflation from reported years). The Serbian project's low cost reflects Chinese financing, lower labor/wages, and simpler procurement, making it notably cheaper than Western European peers despite similar terrain.

#### Key Comparable Projects
| Project | Country | Length (km) | Terrain Description | Total Cost (€ million) | Cost per km (€ million) | Completion Year | Notes |
|---------|---------|-------------|----------------------|------------------------|-------------------------|-----------------|-------|
| **Belgrade-Subotica (Reference)** | Serbia | 183 | Flat Vojvodina plains; agricultural, minor rivers | 1,878 | 10.3 | 2024 | Financed by China; 200 km/h; low land costs. |
| **LGV Bretagne-Pays de la Loire** | France | 182 | Flat western plains; coastal lowlands, few viaducts | 3,400 (2015; ~3,800 adj.) | 20.9 | 2017 | 320 km/h capable; minimal tunnels; EU co-funded. |
| **LGV Sud Europe Atlantique (Bordeaux-Tours section)** | France | ~300 (full; ~150 flat core) | Flat Aquitaine basin; agricultural, some wetlands | 7,200 (2010s; ~8,000 adj.) | 26.7 (overall; ~22 flat) | 2017 | 320 km/h; viaducts ~20%; excludes urban ends. |
| **Erfurt-Leipzig/Halle** | Germany | 120 | Flat Thuringian plain; some bridges, no major tunnels | 2,967 (2010s; ~3,300 adj.) | 27.5 | 2015 | 300 km/h; upgraded sections; cost includes minor structures. |
| **HSL-Zuid** | Netherlands | 125 | Flat Rhine Delta lowlands; polders, flood-prone | 11,000 (2000s; ~13,000 adj.) | 104.0 | 2009 | 300 km/h; high due to environmental mitigations, land reclamation. |
| **Venta de Baños-León** | Spain | ~150 (segment) | Flat Castilian plateau; open farmland | ~1,350 (2010s; ~1,500 adj.) | 10.0 | 2015 | 350 km/h; one of Europe's cheapest HSR; minimal obstacles. |

#### Analysis and Insights
- **Cost Range in Flat Terrain**: Across these projects, costs for flat-terrain HSR/upgrades typically range from €10-30 million per km in efficient markets (e.g., Spain, France's low-relief lines), rising to €25-50 million in Germany due to stricter environmental regs and labor costs, and €80+ in the Netherlands from flood defenses and dense infrastructure. The Serbian line aligns with the low end, comparable to Spain's Venta de Baños-León, but undercuts French/German examples by 50-75%—likely due to lower Serbian wages (~€500/month vs. €2,500+ in Western Europe) and Chinese EPC contracting efficiencies.

- **Why Variations?**
- **Labor and Procurement**: Western Europe averages 2-3x higher wages; Serbia benefits from Belt and Road Initiative standardization.
- **Environmental/Land**: Flat terrain keeps earthworks low everywhere (~€2-5M/km), but Dutch/Polish wetlands add €10-20M/km for drainage. Land in Vojvodina is cheap/agricultural, similar to Spanish plains.
- **Scope**: All include electrification/signaling; Serbian excludes premium stations (unlike HSL-Zuid's bundled costs).
- **Global Context**: For non-EU flat examples, China's Beijing-Tianjin (117 km, flat northern plains) cost ~€15M/km (2008; ~€20M adj.), while Morocco's Tangier-Casablanca (323 km, coastal plains) was ~€12M/km (2018)—closer to Serbia's figure.

Overall, the Belgrade-Subotica project's cost is exceptionally competitive for flat terrain, outperforming most European peers while matching emerging-market efficiencies. If replicated elsewhere in flat EU regions (e.g., Polish lowlands), it could benchmark ~€12-15M/km with local adjustments. For deeper dives, sources include EU Court of Auditors reports and Transit Costs Project databases.


I onda dodju ovakvi glupani i pricaju neke neproverene nebuloze i kompromituju drugu stranu.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1974443023754027366
 
Grupa građana Subotice večeras je simbolično "dezinfikovala" prostor Železničke stanice, kako bi izrazila nezadovoljstvo zbog, kako navode, "neprimerenih izjava predsednika Srbije Aleksandra Vučića".


Vučić je 3. oktobra boravio u Subotici povodom otvaranja srpske deonice brze pruge Beograd–Subotica, kada je, između ostalog, izjavio da je reč o istorijskom trenutku koji će "ostati zabeležen u udžbenicima i decenijama koje dolaze".

Građani koji su na poziv zborova učestvovali u večerašnjoj akciji ocenili su da su te izjave "duboko uvredile građane Subotice".

U saopštenju su naveli da je 3. oktobra, bez ikakve najave, održano otvaranje brze pruge, te da su "prvi putnici bili predsednik i njegovi saradnici, uz pažljivo odabranu medijsku pratnju".

Naveli su da "mnogi mediji, naročito nezavisni, nisu imali ni informaciju o ovom događaju".

Dodali su da je ceremonija okončana govorima ispred stanice, koju su, kako su naveli, "stručnjaci označili kao teško oštećenu, statički nesigurnu i nebezbednu za upotrebu".

Tokom govora Vučić je, kako su podsetili rekao da slobodno dođu "onih nekoliko blokadera da čuju nešto pametno", misleći na okupljene kod parka Ferenca Rajhla koji su duvali u pištaljke, u blizini stanice.


Policija im, međutim, nije dozvolila da priđu, kako ne bi ometali program.

U saopštenju su naveli da "građani Subotice podsećaju da će doći vreme kada će se preispitivati odgovornost onih koji su u radno vreme slani da aplaudiraju i kliču, dok su drugi, koji misle svojom glavom, bili izloženi pritiscima i disciplinskim merama".

Okupljeni su poručili lokalnoj vlasti da "neće ćutati pred nepravdom", te su izrazili negodovanje zbog nekoliko oštećenih stubova oko stanice, koji su bili nestabilni.

Nakon simbolične akcije "dezinfekcije", zborovi i građani su na istom mestu održali 16 minuta tišine u znak sećanja na 16 poginulih 1.novembra 2024. u padu nadstrešnice movosadske Železničke stanice.


Skup je obezbeđivala subotička policija.
 
C0NSIGLIERI:
Sva sreca pa EUropljani nisu gradili po 2-3x vecim cenama.

### Comparison of the Belgrade-Subotica High-Speed Rail Project

The Belgrade-Subotica high-speed rail project in Vojvodina, Serbia, spans approximately 183 km of mostly flat agricultural terrain, with minimal elevation changes, some river crossings, and design speeds up to 200 km/h. Its total construction cost is estimated at €1.878 billion (based on contract awards), equating to about **€10.27 million per km** (or ~$11.2 million per km at 2025 exchange rates). This includes track laying, electrification, signaling (ETCS Level 2), viaducts, and basic stations but excludes major land acquisition or tunneling, which are low in this region.

To compare, I've selected similar projects: high-speed or upgraded rail lines of roughly 100-200 km in length, primarily in flat or low-relief terrain (e.g., plains, lowlands, or agricultural areas), with comparable speeds (160-250 km/h). These are drawn from European and global examples where costs are well-documented and terrain avoids significant mountains or dense urban areas. Costs are infrastructure-only (track, electrification, signaling; excluding major stations unless bundled) and adjusted to approximate 2025 euros for fairness (using ~2% annual inflation from reported years). The Serbian project's low cost reflects Chinese financing, lower labor/wages, and simpler procurement, making it notably cheaper than Western European peers despite similar terrain.

#### Key Comparable Projects
| Project | Country | Length (km) | Terrain Description | Total Cost (€ million) | Cost per km (€ million) | Completion Year | Notes |
|---------|---------|-------------|----------------------|------------------------|-------------------------|-----------------|-------|
| **Belgrade-Subotica (Reference)** | Serbia | 183 | Flat Vojvodina plains; agricultural, minor rivers | 1,878 | 10.3 | 2024 | Financed by China; 200 km/h; low land costs. |
| **LGV Bretagne-Pays de la Loire** | France | 182 | Flat western plains; coastal lowlands, few viaducts | 3,400 (2015; ~3,800 adj.) | 20.9 | 2017 | 320 km/h capable; minimal tunnels; EU co-funded. |
| **LGV Sud Europe Atlantique (Bordeaux-Tours section)** | France | ~300 (full; ~150 flat core) | Flat Aquitaine basin; agricultural, some wetlands | 7,200 (2010s; ~8,000 adj.) | 26.7 (overall; ~22 flat) | 2017 | 320 km/h; viaducts ~20%; excludes urban ends. |
| **Erfurt-Leipzig/Halle** | Germany | 120 | Flat Thuringian plain; some bridges, no major tunnels | 2,967 (2010s; ~3,300 adj.) | 27.5 | 2015 | 300 km/h; upgraded sections; cost includes minor structures. |
| **HSL-Zuid** | Netherlands | 125 | Flat Rhine Delta lowlands; polders, flood-prone | 11,000 (2000s; ~13,000 adj.) | 104.0 | 2009 | 300 km/h; high due to environmental mitigations, land reclamation. |
| **Venta de Baños-León** | Spain | ~150 (segment) | Flat Castilian plateau; open farmland | ~1,350 (2010s; ~1,500 adj.) | 10.0 | 2015 | 350 km/h; one of Europe's cheapest HSR; minimal obstacles. |

#### Analysis and Insights
- **Cost Range in Flat Terrain**: Across these projects, costs for flat-terrain HSR/upgrades typically range from €10-30 million per km in efficient markets (e.g., Spain, France's low-relief lines), rising to €25-50 million in Germany due to stricter environmental regs and labor costs, and €80+ in the Netherlands from flood defenses and dense infrastructure. The Serbian line aligns with the low end, comparable to Spain's Venta de Baños-León, but undercuts French/German examples by 50-75%—likely due to lower Serbian wages (~€500/month vs. €2,500+ in Western Europe) and Chinese EPC contracting efficiencies.

- **Why Variations?**
- **Labor and Procurement**: Western Europe averages 2-3x higher wages; Serbia benefits from Belt and Road Initiative standardization.
- **Environmental/Land**: Flat terrain keeps earthworks low everywhere (~€2-5M/km), but Dutch/Polish wetlands add €10-20M/km for drainage. Land in Vojvodina is cheap/agricultural, similar to Spanish plains.
- **Scope**: All include electrification/signaling; Serbian excludes premium stations (unlike HSL-Zuid's bundled costs).
- **Global Context**: For non-EU flat examples, China's Beijing-Tianjin (117 km, flat northern plains) cost ~€15M/km (2008; ~€20M adj.), while Morocco's Tangier-Casablanca (323 km, coastal plains) was ~€12M/km (2018)—closer to Serbia's figure.

Overall, the Belgrade-Subotica project's cost is exceptionally competitive for flat terrain, outperforming most European peers while matching emerging-market efficiencies. If replicated elsewhere in flat EU regions (e.g., Polish lowlands), it could benchmark ~€12-15M/km with local adjustments. For deeper dives, sources include EU Court of Auditors reports and Transit Costs Project databases.


I onda dodju ovakvi glupani i pricaju neke neproverene nebuloze i kompromituju drugu stranu.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1974443023754027366
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Promašena usporedba, pruge za 300+ kmh koštaju duplo više od onih 140-200kmh jer zahtijevaju drugačiji profil gradnje i posebne tračnice.
 
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