Space - moon

Hajde malo da skrenem temu sa domaće scene. Danas smo par drugara i ja došli na temu o trci Amerike i Rusije (SSSR) o trci, između ostalog, na polju osvajanja svemira. Rusi prvi poleteli, a Amerikanci sleteli na Mesec. Pitanje: da li su? Kažu mi da postoje knjige, pisani dokumenti, dokumentarni, pa čak i igrani filmovi na temu da su Ameri izrežirali, tj. napravili studio i snimili opštepoznati snimak, ali sa par propusta. Šta vi mislite o tome?

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I saw it while i was living in Australia in 2000-2001. It was shown on SBS, an independant tv broadcasting channel they have over there like the Triangle TV we have over here in NZ and probably like the PBS that they have in America.

Anyway, in the doco it had Rumsfeld, Powel, Nixons secretary at the time, Kissinger & other people who i can't remember there names of now but are well known and are still in power/politics today (Cheney may have been one but i can't honestly remember now) all talking about how they hoaxed the moon landing and how and why they went about it.
Stanly Kubrick was used to produce it and they used and modified the set of "2001,A space Odessy" that was being fimed at Pinewood studios in England to film it.

They tell about how President Nixon, who had no other choice because of the circumstances surrounding it, gave the go ahead to fake it.

They told of how the CIA was used to organise it all and get the men to play the parts of the astronaughts. They used unmarried ex military men who knew how to keep mum about things of sensitive natures. They say about how afterwards Nixion wanted the men to be well looked after for what they had done and how the CIA got the message wrong and got rid of them.

There was no mention or coverage of the photos and topics covered in the "Fox Documentary" in this one. (I've seen the Fox Documentary mentioned previously in this thread)
This one was basically an interview with the people i mentioned above and how and why they had to hoax the moon landing.
The Apollo moon landing never happened. Or, if it did, the TV images you saw were falsified, the images faked.

According to DARK SIDE OF THE MOON, the most important film of its kind since Oliver Stone's JFK - or since Rob Reiner's This is Spinal Tap, at any rate - images of Neil Armstrong's walk on the moon on July 20, 1969 were shown to the world through the lens of master film-maker Stanley Kubrick and were staged on the same Borehamwood, U.K., soundstage where Kubrick made his landmark film, 2001: A Space Odyssey.

Don't believe it? Consider the evidence. Still images taken of the American flag on the moon showed it waving this way and that, but, as Dark Side of the Moon points out, there is no wind on the moon.

The moon is affected by extreme temperature changes, which are exacerbated by its lack of atmosphere. The camera supposedly used to take the lunar stills, a Hasselblad 500, would not operate at temperature extremes that cause chemical changes in film emulsion. Mechanical parts expand and lenses loosen in extreme heat. Exposure meters fail and film shatters like glass in extreme cold.

X-rays from the sun would fog the film, and ultra-violet rays would distort the colours - yet the colours in the Moon landing pictures are perfect.

Gravity on the moon is one-sixth that of the Earth, which means that an astronaut who would weigh 140 kilograms in his space suit on the ground would weigh only about 30 kilos on the moon. And yet the depth of the astronauts' footprints in the sand on the moon suggest they weighed much more than that.

None of the photos taken on the Moon showed evidence of a flash. You would have seen a flash, experts in Dark Side of the Moon insist, because the astronaut taking the photograph would have been reflected in the visor of the other astronaut.

Remember now, as they say on CSI: people lie; the evidence doesn't.

Dark Side of the Moon was written and directed last year by 63-year-old historical documentary film-maker William Karel for France's Point du Jour Production and Arte France (the film's original, French title was Operation Lune). It uses documentary evidence, archival footage and extensive interviews with Kubrick's widow, Christiane Kubrick, astronaut Buzz Aldrin and former and present-day U.S. government officials and luminaries such as Henry Kissinger, Lawrence Eagleberger, Al Haig and Donald Rumsfeld, to lay bare the lie.

And an elaborate lie it was, too, judging from the evidence. (The official CBC press release refers to the film's subtle blend of facts, fiction and hypothesis as a navigation through fact and fiction and asks rhetorically whether "Neal Armstrong's [sic] famous walk on the moon" was another stanley Kubrick production. I can't tell if the misspelling of Neil Armstrong's name is meant to be ironic or incompetent.)

Dark Side of the Moon points out that, given the turmoil of the day - the Vietnam war, civil unrest, a newly elected president warily eyeing his prospects for a second term - the Nixon administration understood that it was more important that astronauts be seen to be walking on the moon than actually walk on the moon.

If the astronauts landed safely, but could not televise live images back to Earth because of some unforeseen technical glitch, then the entire expensive enterprise would have been a waste of time, from a public relations standpoint.

The Nixon administration approached Kubrick - an American ex-pat and avowed recluse, living in seclusion in a palatial estate somewhere in the suburbs of London - with a mind to stage the moon landing in advance, so that if worse came to worst, the Apollo program would still have pictures to show a doubting public.

The administration knew Kubrick would jump aboard, the film's makers suggest, because it was widely known that Dr. Strangelove, which Kubrick directed five years earlier, in 1964, was one of Nixon's favourite films.

The original idea was to have the CIA stage the event and film it themselves on the same sound stage where Kubrick recreated the lunar surface for 2001: A Space Odyssey. But when Kubrick - a notorious perfectionist, with a temper to match - saw how incompetent the CIA camera operators were, he demanded that he be allowed to film the scene himself.

In return, Dark Side of the Moon posits, Kubrick was allowed use of a special, one-of-a-kind Zeiss camera lens, originally designed for NASA's satellite program, to shoot his James Thackeray epic Barry Lyndon, which required a special heretofore unknown lens to depict images of life in 18th century Ireland using only available light. The film preserved the great man's vision for generations to come.

If this all sounds a bit hard to follow, trust me: Dark Side of the Moon makes it seem simple - as simple, anyway, as deciphering the lyrics to a Pink Floyd album. It should come as no surprise, in any event, to anyone who saw Kubrick's final film, Eyes Wide Shut, to learn that the great man staged the moon landing for effect. Eyes Wide Shut, after all, could only have been directed by a space cadet.

But wait, there's more.

Armstrong's famous line - "That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind" - was scripted in advance, and mangled in the translation, into "one small step for man, one great leap...who wrote this crap?" Armstrong proved to be a tempermental star. While boarding the lunar capsule prior to liftoff, for example, he was overheard to ask about the inflight movie, about whether he was in the smoking section or nonsmoking, about whether he was assigned a window seat in the back, about his requests for a kosher meal, and whether his car would be safe in the NASA parking lot.

It's the actual testimony from Kissinger, the late Vernon Walters (speaking in Russian, and dead, under suspicious circumstances, just hours after conducting his interview for the film), Rumsfeld ("I'm going to tell you a fascinating story"), Eagleberger, Haig and others - real people in real interviews, not actors playing a role - that brings Dark Side of the Moon to life. (A cynic would point out that their comments are edited out of context, but then a cynic would already have guessed that the Apollo moon landing was staged, so why bother?)

The decision, ultimately, was Nixon's.

"He was the president," Kissinger explains in the film, "and he deserves the credit for having had the courage to do it." Kissinger was awed by the sheer hubris of Nixon's actions.

"At no stage in my life could I have anticipated that this would happen," he goes on to say. "At no stage. Not even when I was made National Security Adviser. And I think it is a great symptom of the strength of America that this was even conceivable."

It was the right thing to do, Rumsfeld concurs, "because we had to do something to show that we're still the United States of America...We walked out of the room and President Nixon said, 'I've decided to do that, and I need you to do this job, we're going to do it.' It was just amazing."

Dark Side of the Moon is a mammoth undertaking. It seeks nothing less than to expose the incongruities between rhetoric and reality, by disclosing how the camera's lens can be manipulated to suit any ends, and it achieves its goal with, style and verve. It is a thoroughly entertaining and revealing flim, and well worth seeing.

Oh, and one other thing. According to the final credits, any resemblance to actual living persons is purely coincidental.
 
Hajde malo da skrenem temu sa domaće scene. Danas smo par drugara i ja došli na temu o trci Amerike i Rusije (SSSR) o trci, između ostalog, na polju osvajanja svemira. Rusi prvi poleteli, a Amerikanci sleteli na Mesec. Pitanje: da li su? Kažu mi da postoje knjige, pisani dokumenti, dokumentarni, pa čak i igrani filmovi na temu da su Ameri izrežirali, tj. napravili studio i snimili opštepoznati snimak, ali sa par propusta. Šta vi mislite o tome?

Pratio sam polemike oba tabora - i onih koji tvrde da su se spustili i oni koji tvrde suprotno, obe grupacije su stručnjaci iz Amerike.

Medjutim u jednom se slažu - ljudski rod će izgledati totalno drugačije na novoj planeti, koja god povoljna to bila. Kako zbog same gravitacije tako i zbog nedostatka pratećeg satelita Meseca koji itekako diktira našu plodnost i psihičko raspoloženje.
 

Pratio sam polemike oba tabora - i onih koji tvrde da su se spustili i oni koji tvrde suprotno, obe grupacije su stručnjaci iz Amerike.

Medjutim u jednom se slažu - ljudski rod će izgledati totalno drugačije na novoj planeti, koja god povoljna to bila. Kako zbog same gravitacije tako i zbog nedostatka pratećeg satelita Meseca koji itekako diktira našu plodnost i psihičko raspoloženje.

To je svakako tacno...samo sto cemo to malo vise da sacekamo.
 
Ali nije ni isključeno. Ne bih bio uopšte iznenađen. U svakom slučaju, ako neko ima nekakav dokaz (bar konkretan primer iz snimka ili dokumentarca koji baca sumnju) neka kaže, baš me sad zanima...

jedno od objasnjenja da je izrezirano je i otisak stopala,koji je dublji nego sto odgovara sili gravitacije koja postoji na mesecu i koja je mnogo manja nego na zemlji.
 
jedno od objasnjenja da je izrezirano je i otisak stopala,koji je dublji nego sto odgovara sili gravitacije koja postoji na mesecu i koja je mnogo manja nego na zemlji.


OBJAŠNJENJE:

Korak je bio dublji zato što je astronaut muškog pola pa pod skafanderom nije mogao da se počeše.
Zato je svoju nogu napregao i pritisnuo bliže butini druge kako bi obavio potrebno češkanje.
Da su ljudi tad znali za lambadu, bilo bi svakojakih otisaka...
 

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