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Zvanicna istorija u Srbiji kaze da je Tito naredio saveznicima da ne smeju da bombardaju Zagreb, a Kardelj je takodje naredio saveznicima da ne smeju da bombaduju Ljubljanu.
Edvarda Kardelja, koji je odlučno odbio predlog da se bombarduje LJubljana, i Tita, koji uprkos zahtevima saveznika nije dopuštao da se ruši Zagreb,
https://www.novosti.rs/vesti/naslov...68-Saveznici-nas-bombardovali-na-Titov-zahtev
Zagreb je bombardovan 12 puta i ukupno je poginulo 576 osobe, 792 ranjeno.
U.S. Army Air Forces in World War II
Combat Chronology 1941 - 1945
Compiled by
Kit C. Carter Robert Mueller

1. 2/22/44 Fifteenth AF B-17’s attack Petershausen M/Y, Regensburg aircraft factory, and Zagreb. A large force of B-24’s hits Regensburg aircraft plants about the same time as the B-17 attack. Other B-24’s pound town of Sibenik and harbor at Zara. HBs claim 40 ftrs destroyed. 13 HBs are lost
2 .4/6/44 Fifteenth AF B-24’s bomb Zagreb A/F. Numerous other B-24’s and B-17’s abort because of weather. Escorting ftrs and the HBs claim 17 ftrs destroyed in combat. 6 US aircraft are shot down.
3 .5/24/44 Fifteenth AF 620-plus B-17’s and B-24’s attack Avisio viaduct, Atzgersdorf aircraft components factory, town of Neunkirchen, A/Fs at Munchendorf, Graz, Wollersdorf, Bad Voslau and Zagreb, and Varazdin M/Y. Escorting ftrs fly over 250 sorties. Enemy ftr opposition is especially heavy against Bad Voslau force, downing 6 HBs.
4. 5/30/44 Fifteenth AF Nearly 500 B-17’s and B-24’s attack A/F and aircraft factory at Wels, factories at Pottendorf, Neudorfl, and Neunkirchen and M/Y at Zagreb. P-38’s and P-51’s provide escort. Many of the ftrs strafe T/Os in areas around Zut, Brod, Susak, Bihac, Medak, and along Karlovac-Livno road
5. 6/30/44 Fifteenth AF Bad weather causes over 450 HBs and more than 150 ftrs to abort missions. 188 HBs, escorted by 138 ftrs, hit A/F at Zagreb and T/Os in Hungary and Yugoslavia, including M/Ys at Kaposvar, Osztopan and Split, highway bridge at Brac I, A/F at Banjaluka, and city of Budapest. 130-plus ftrs provide escor
6. 7/7/44 Fifteenth AF 560-plus B-24’s and B-17’s bomb 2 synthetic oil plants at Blechhammer, synthetic oil and coking plant at Odertal, and Zagreb A/F and M/Y. HBs and ftr escorts claim more than 50 aircraft shot down during fierce battle with 275-300 ftrs mainly in Vienna-Budapest area. 18 US aircraft are listed as destroyed and a larger number missing
7. 1/5/45 Fifteenth AF 1 B-24 bombs Zagreb railroad sidings. 69 others abort due to total cloud cover over tgt. 38 P-51’s fly cover over tgt area. 33 P-38’s bomb N railroad bridge at Doboj. other operations are limited to rcn, supply drops, and escort.
8. 1/19/45 Fifteenth AF Over 400 HBs attack N and S M/Ys, a railroad bridge, and a highway bridge at Brod. Because of overcast, only 1 of 112 HBs sent against Zagreb M/Y bombs tgt while others abort. 46 P-38’s bomb S railroad bridge at Doboj and 59 P-51’s sweep from Zagreb to Gyor. Other P-38’s fly rcn missions and rcn escort and cover MATAF B-25’s on supply run
9.2/13/45 Fifteenth AF In the Vienna area 640-plus HBs with ftr spt hit S ordnance depot, S and SE goods yards and depot, C repair shops, and Matzleinsdorf M/Y, and M/Ys at Graz, Sarvar, Zagreb (2) and Maribor (2), Pula harbor, Maribor locomotive depot and rolling stock repair shops, and several T/Os. P-38’s and P-51’s carry out rcn and rcn escort missions.
11.3/12/45 Twelfth AF B-25’s hit 7 railroad bridges, cutting two, and fills severely damaging one and a train in Brenner area and in NE Italy as far E as Yugoslav border area. FBs blast comm in N Italy, making 36 rail cuts, 19 of them on the Brenner line. P-47’s also bomb and severely damage a munitions factory NW of Zagreb . During 11/12 Mar LBs on intruder missions hit Po crossings, sugar refinery, vehicles, and trains.
12. 3/14/45 Fifteenth AF 634 HBs, with ftr escorts, hit Szony and Almasfuzito oil refineries and M/Ys at Komarom, Nove Zamky, Zagreb , WienerNeustadt, Graz, and Knittelfeld. 90 P-38’s dive-bomb bridges at Ptuj, 42 of them afterwards strafing rail traffic in Yugoslavia and Austria. 21 P-51’s also strafe rail traffic in Austria. B-17’s and B-24’s drop supplies in N Italy and in Yugoslavia. P-38’s continue rcn missions, including larger than usual number of photo rcn flights (most of them heavily escorted) over Italy, Germany, Austria, and Yugoslavia.
https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a529766.pdf
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Prilkom bombardovanja Zagreba, saveznici su slučajno pogodili Dominikanski samostan.

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Ako je Tito zabranio savzenicima da bombarduju Zagreb,,a Kardelj Ljubljanu kao sto pisu istoricari, onda je logicno da je takva bombardovanja saveznicima moga da naredi samo Draza Mihajlovic ?
Ovu istorijsku cinjenicu podrzava i jedan broj istoricara sa foruma.
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Zvanicna istorija u Srbiji kaze da je Tito naredio saveznicima da ne smeju da bombardaju Zagreb, a Kardelj je takodje naredio saveznicima da ne smeju da bombaduju Ljubljanu.
Edvarda Kardelja, koji je odlučno odbio predlog da se bombarduje LJubljana, i Tita, koji uprkos zahtevima saveznika nije dopuštao da se ruši Zagreb,
https://www.novosti.rs/vesti/naslov...68-Saveznici-nas-bombardovali-na-Titov-zahtev
Zagreb je bombardovan 12 puta i ukupno je poginulo 576 osobe, 792 ranjeno.
U.S. Army Air Forces in World War II
Combat Chronology 1941 - 1945
Compiled by
Kit C. Carter Robert Mueller

1. 2/22/44 Fifteenth AF B-17’s attack Petershausen M/Y, Regensburg aircraft factory, and Zagreb. A large force of B-24’s hits Regensburg aircraft plants about the same time as the B-17 attack. Other B-24’s pound town of Sibenik and harbor at Zara. HBs claim 40 ftrs destroyed. 13 HBs are lost
2 .4/6/44 Fifteenth AF B-24’s bomb Zagreb A/F. Numerous other B-24’s and B-17’s abort because of weather. Escorting ftrs and the HBs claim 17 ftrs destroyed in combat. 6 US aircraft are shot down.
3 .5/24/44 Fifteenth AF 620-plus B-17’s and B-24’s attack Avisio viaduct, Atzgersdorf aircraft components factory, town of Neunkirchen, A/Fs at Munchendorf, Graz, Wollersdorf, Bad Voslau and Zagreb, and Varazdin M/Y. Escorting ftrs fly over 250 sorties. Enemy ftr opposition is especially heavy against Bad Voslau force, downing 6 HBs.
4. 5/30/44 Fifteenth AF Nearly 500 B-17’s and B-24’s attack A/F and aircraft factory at Wels, factories at Pottendorf, Neudorfl, and Neunkirchen and M/Y at Zagreb. P-38’s and P-51’s provide escort. Many of the ftrs strafe T/Os in areas around Zut, Brod, Susak, Bihac, Medak, and along Karlovac-Livno road
5. 6/30/44 Fifteenth AF Bad weather causes over 450 HBs and more than 150 ftrs to abort missions. 188 HBs, escorted by 138 ftrs, hit A/F at Zagreb and T/Os in Hungary and Yugoslavia, including M/Ys at Kaposvar, Osztopan and Split, highway bridge at Brac I, A/F at Banjaluka, and city of Budapest. 130-plus ftrs provide escor
6. 7/7/44 Fifteenth AF 560-plus B-24’s and B-17’s bomb 2 synthetic oil plants at Blechhammer, synthetic oil and coking plant at Odertal, and Zagreb A/F and M/Y. HBs and ftr escorts claim more than 50 aircraft shot down during fierce battle with 275-300 ftrs mainly in Vienna-Budapest area. 18 US aircraft are listed as destroyed and a larger number missing
7. 1/5/45 Fifteenth AF 1 B-24 bombs Zagreb railroad sidings. 69 others abort due to total cloud cover over tgt. 38 P-51’s fly cover over tgt area. 33 P-38’s bomb N railroad bridge at Doboj. other operations are limited to rcn, supply drops, and escort.
8. 1/19/45 Fifteenth AF Over 400 HBs attack N and S M/Ys, a railroad bridge, and a highway bridge at Brod. Because of overcast, only 1 of 112 HBs sent against Zagreb M/Y bombs tgt while others abort. 46 P-38’s bomb S railroad bridge at Doboj and 59 P-51’s sweep from Zagreb to Gyor. Other P-38’s fly rcn missions and rcn escort and cover MATAF B-25’s on supply run
9.2/13/45 Fifteenth AF In the Vienna area 640-plus HBs with ftr spt hit S ordnance depot, S and SE goods yards and depot, C repair shops, and Matzleinsdorf M/Y, and M/Ys at Graz, Sarvar, Zagreb (2) and Maribor (2), Pula harbor, Maribor locomotive depot and rolling stock repair shops, and several T/Os. P-38’s and P-51’s carry out rcn and rcn escort missions.
11.3/12/45 Twelfth AF B-25’s hit 7 railroad bridges, cutting two, and fills severely damaging one and a train in Brenner area and in NE Italy as far E as Yugoslav border area. FBs blast comm in N Italy, making 36 rail cuts, 19 of them on the Brenner line. P-47’s also bomb and severely damage a munitions factory NW of Zagreb . During 11/12 Mar LBs on intruder missions hit Po crossings, sugar refinery, vehicles, and trains.
12. 3/14/45 Fifteenth AF 634 HBs, with ftr escorts, hit Szony and Almasfuzito oil refineries and M/Ys at Komarom, Nove Zamky, Zagreb , WienerNeustadt, Graz, and Knittelfeld. 90 P-38’s dive-bomb bridges at Ptuj, 42 of them afterwards strafing rail traffic in Yugoslavia and Austria. 21 P-51’s also strafe rail traffic in Austria. B-17’s and B-24’s drop supplies in N Italy and in Yugoslavia. P-38’s continue rcn missions, including larger than usual number of photo rcn flights (most of them heavily escorted) over Italy, Germany, Austria, and Yugoslavia.
https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a529766.pdf
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Prilkom bombardovanja Zagreba, saveznici su slučajno pogodili Dominikanski samostan.

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Ako je Tito zabranio savzenicima da bombarduju Zagreb,,a Kardelj Ljubljanu kao sto pisu istoricari, onda je logicno da je takva bombardovanja saveznicima moga da naredi samo Draza Mihajlovic ?
Ovu istorijsku cinjenicu podrzava i jedan broj istoricara sa foruma.
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Ta priča da Tito i Kardelj gađali Srbiju i Crnu Goru, jer mrze Srbe, mi apsolutno nema smisla.
Ali mi je i dalje fascinantan procenat civilnih žrtava u Srbiji i Crnoj Gori i procenat istih u Hrvatskoj. Još ako se to uporedi sa brojem bačenih bombi i bombardovanjem, ispada da su saveznici dosta preciznije i bolje gađali tamo nego kod nas. Ni ta priča mi nema logike.
 
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Ima i neka glupa priča, da su se komunisti okupili u predgrađu Prijepolja tokom bombardovanja istog. Tada su, po toj priči, pjevali: ,, Neka vide četnici na čijoj su strani saveznici ".
Glupa priča. Ne vidim razlog zašto bi to radili, u gradovima nije bilo puno četnika, tako da ta priča otpada. A priča o tome da su to radili kako bi pobili što više Srba je budalasta.
 
Franjevci_Zagreb.jpg

Ako je Tito zabranio savzenicima da bombarduju Zagreb,,a Kardelj Ljubljanu kao sto pisu istoricari, onda je logicno da je takva bombardovanja saveznicima moga da naredi samo Draza Mihajlovic ?
Ovu istorijsku cinjenicu podrzava i jedan broj istoricara sa foruma.
Ako je tako, onda je to velika sramota za Tita, a dobra strateška odluka Draže. Još kada se uzme stopa civilnih žrtava, vidi se koliko je Draža bio profesionalniji, produktivniji i humaniji prema neprijateljskoj strani.
 
Zanimljivo je što je autor naveo da je Zagreb bombardovan 12 puta, što ne znači skoro ništa. Mogli su svaki put po 10 bombi da bače. Bitnija je cifra da je 576 osoba. U daleko manjoj Podgorici je stradalo preko 2 000 civila. Inače je Podgorica bombardovana 84 puta. Od toga preko 40 od saveznika.
https://www.in4s.net/dan-kad-su-saveznicki-avioni-sravnili-podgoricu-sa-zemljom/
https://www.montenegrina.net/pages/..._ratu/saveznicko_bombardovanje_cg_1943_44.htm
https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Бомбардовање_Подгорице_у_Другом_свјетском_рату
https://www.vijesti.me/vijesti/drustvo/500643/bomba-sjeca-na-dane-kad-su-avioni-sijali-smrt
Podgorica je treći najrazoreniji grad u Evropi.

Čak je i sićušni Kolašin bombardovan 18 puta. Znači ti gradovi su prošli daleko gore od Zagreba i Splita.
 
Zanimljivo je što je autor naveo da je Zagreb bombardovan 12 puta, što ne znači skoro ništa. Mogli su svaki put po 10 bombi da bače. Bitnija je cifra da je 576 osoba. U daleko manjoj Podgorici je stradalo preko 2 000 civila. Inače je Podgorica bombardovana 84 puta. Od toga preko 40 od saveznika.
https://www.in4s.net/dan-kad-su-saveznicki-avioni-sravnili-podgoricu-sa-zemljom/
https://www.montenegrina.net/pages/..._ratu/saveznicko_bombardovanje_cg_1943_44.htm
https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Бомбардовање_Подгорице_у_Другом_свјетском_рату
https://www.vijesti.me/vijesti/drustvo/500643/bomba-sjeca-na-dane-kad-su-avioni-sijali-smrt
Podgorica je treći najrazoreniji grad u Evropi.

Čak je i sićušni Kolašin bombardovan 18 puta. Znači ti gradovi su prošli daleko gore od Zagreba i Splita.
Inače, objavio sam članak sa montenegrinskog portala Montenegrina, srpskog IN4S, vikipediju i sa Vijesti.
 
Ako je Tito zabranio savzenicima da bombarduju Zagreb
Нико у историји није тврдио да је Тито забранио савезницима да бомбардују Загреб. Тито ради за њих. Не може ништа да захтева. Оно што он може да уради је да даје лажне информације о томе које градове да нападне или не. Ако је неко довољно глуп да мисли да Тито може да захтева од Черчила онда је довољно глуп да мисли да је и он рекао 'не' Стаљину
 
Ako je Tito zabranio savzenicima da bombarduju Zagreb,,a Kardelj Ljubljanu kao sto pisu istoricari, onda je logicno da je takva bombardovanja saveznicima moga da naredi samo Draza Mihajlovic ?
Ovu istorijsku cinjenicu podrzava i jedan broj istoricara sa foruma.
Још да нам објасниш како је то Дража наредио савезницима да бомбардују Загреб, ако можеш наравно.
Логика ти није јача страна то смо већ закључили.
 
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