Husari

Истина је да је порекло Хусара од Срба. 100%. Мени потврдио Пољак на страном форуму, даћу линк за оне које не верују и ископирати текст. Ни ја нисам веровао када сам видео да је CA ставила у опис пољских хусара у MII TW (који излази за месец дана) да су они од српских избеглица - племства који су се настанили у Мађарску.
 
DukeofSerbia:
Истина је да је порекло Хусара од Срба. 100%. Мени потврдио Пољак на страном форуму, даћу линк за оне које не верују и ископирати текст. Ни ја нисам веровао када сам видео да је CA ставила у опис пољских хусара у MII TW (који излази за месец дана) да су они од српских избеглица - племства који су се настанили у Мађарску.
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Čekao sam tvoj odgovor :D . Hvala i pozdrav....
 
DukeofSerbia:
Истина је да је порекло Хусара од Срба. 100%. Мени потврдио Пољак на страном форуму, даћу линк за оне које не верују и ископирати текст. Ни ја нисам веровао када сам видео да је CA ставила у опис пољских хусара у MII TW (који излази за месец дана) да су они од српских избеглица - племства који су се настанили у Мађарску.
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I ? Šta sam ja rekla, ko će dati odgovor?
Još samo da potvrdi moje tvrdnje, pošto se pominje XIV vek, da je izraz nastao od Dušanove " lake" konjice... ;)
Pozdrav Vojvodo.
 
Додао бих да на Википдији има разних глупости у вези Хусара.

Енивеј, ево линк http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=69373

cegorach:
No problem.

The light cavalry of this kind existed in the Balcans from at least the XIIth century ( BYzantine auxilia recruited from the local people).

It was rather obvious that the fashion will sppread after the empire was too weak to employ them. So many left and were hired by other states.

In addition the nomads like Vlachs, Cumans or Mongols as well as Ottoman Akinji who were using light cavalry were both a problem, an incentive and the recruitment base for this form of light recon cavalry.

The most important event was of course the fall of the Serbian Empire which triggered more massive wave of new 'recruits' hired later by the closest country - Hungary. There was also a similar cavalry type called Stradiotti coming from Albanians and Greeks and hired by the Venetians.
Probably several types of cavalry came from the same source - the Balkans in general, but to some degree influnced by Serbs - Albanian/Greek Stradiotti, Dalmatian Capoletti, Hungarian Huszárok, Wallachian and Moldavian Curteni and so on.

The name Rac was used more often in Poland and comes directly to describe Polish cavalry called Racowie which in the beginning was recruited for sure from Serbian refugees ( or at least Serbs were their leaders).
Many of them settled in Poland and Lithuania and the rising demand for light cavalry of this type exceptionally useful against all the enemies of the united state meant that gradually their numbers rose at the expense of heavier cavalry.


Later they gained armours becoming medium-light and finally after the complete removal of heavy lancers in Poland-Lithuanian state the famous Winged Hussars were born.
Hungary seen similar, almost identical changes and for sure it influenced similar reforms in Poland ( actually Hungarian prince Stephen Bathory after he was elected the king of the Commonwealth bgrought some of his Transylvanian army with him).
Venetian Stradiotti became even lighter and abandoned lances completely, but remained well known unitll early XVIIth century as Greeek/Albanian cavalry. Later light lancers were often called Bosniaks also coming form this country.



Combat use - first Venetians and Hungarians used this form of light lancer. Later (few years) also Poles did it with large contingent of Hussars having their important part in the victory at Orsha in 1514 or even earlier at Kleck in 1505.
At that time they supported heavy lancers - a sort of hammer for the anvil made by the lancers.

Hungarians were for sure the ones which started using armoured Hussars first - the wars with the Ottomans learnt them that, but they were the first ones to abandon it first in some part of the Hussars supporting heavier Hussars in commbat, later because of great disasters ( like the stupid war with Poland in 1657-58 ) had to abandon lances completely. Their Hussars became the famous light cavalry - initially working for the Hapsburg Austrians and during the Rakoczy uprising in 1701-11.


That should be rather enough.
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cegorach је Пољак и творац ултрапопуларног мода Pike & Muskets за MTW.

И ево још шта сам добио:

Ultras DVSC:
Well, we can say it does, but rather everything influences everything, in that time (mid 15th c.) there was an urgent need of reforming the slothful, heavily armoured feudal armies. The southern and eastern threats demanded units that were similar to the aggressors’ and were up to them. That meant light-armoured horse-archers, lancers.

In the history of Hungary the horsemen called hussars did not first appeared in the 15th. It merely happened that the word ‘hussar’ was firstly mentioned by King Matthias (1458-1490) in one of his letter to his father in law, the king of Naples in 1481: ‘equites levis armaturae, quos hussarones appellamus’ – light armoured horsemen that we call hussars. The assumption that in the Hungarian language the word ‘huszár’ originates from name ‘gusar’ meaning ‘horseraider’ of the from Turks flying Serb horsemen is definitely false because it’s quite inconceivable that King Matthias named his most honourable elite warriors after Serb raiders, moreover that noble families (written sources before the early 15th c.) would have adopted the name of horseraiders... According to newest researches there was a similar word in the Uyghur language meaning ‘ordinary soldier’.

Otherwise the hussars were not born in that time – they were just reborn. They used the same tactic (and formerly the same weaponry) as for example the conquering Magyars or other peoples. Their time has come again.

Anyway, Cegorach thanks for the link, if I have further questions, I’ll don’t hesitate to ask you. ;)
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Citao sam Sjenkevica pre 40 i par godina, ostali su mi u
secanju nekir likovi najinteresantniji mi je bio Matori lisac
Pan Zagloba da sam nabasao na film sigurno bih ga gledao.
Interesantna tema.
Pozdrav !
 
Dadel, potrazi film na DC++ (Ogniem i mieczem), ide na dva cd-a ili jedan DVD.

Uzgred, Zagloba se u filmu krsti po istocnom pravilu kao i dosta drugih likova! Zanimljivo!
 
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