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muade obrazuj se, citaj mnogo si zatucan....u americi su lekarske greske na 3. mestu uzroka smrti posle kancera i srcanih obolenja...kod nas lekari ne grese kao sto ni vakcine ne uzrokuju smrti i dozivotne invaliditete niti kome pada na pamet da isplacuje odstete.... tuga u kakvoj zemlji zivimo

ako mislis da ces posetioce ove teme koji mozda ne pisu ovde odvratiti od vakcinacije, neces. za tako nesto , ako nista drugo bar moras imati neke reference. ona ruska babuskara bar na osnovu neke diplome ima kakav takav kredibilitet (bar kod polupismenog i neobrazovanog naroda) a tvoji argumenti, tvoje obrazovanje i sam tvoj kukumavcanski stav + ekstremna nadrkanost na sve i svasta ti ne daju apsolutno nikakav kredibilitet. sta god pokusavala sa takvim stavom neces uspeti. i nemoj da seres kao i JCH o srbiji. u srbiji se ne placa kazna za podrigivanje.

http://www.tanjug.rs/full-view.aspx?izb=231274

I nemoj da pokusava s ni ti ni JCH da nas ubedjujete da je u nemackoj obuhvat vakcine 20 posto. Vec sam pisao o tome kako sam u nemackoj gledao kontejnere za staklo. jedno je oznaceno za neobojeno a drugo za obojeno. svabe uredno (gledao svojim ocima) razdvajaju flase i tegler prema obojenju. i sta? dodje kamion i OBA kontejnera pomesa u jedan kamion. znaci, kad nemac to pedantno radi a zna sta ce se desiti, ko je veca ovca? srbin ili nemac?

kad svaba radi ono sto mu je receno u vezi stakla da treba da radi kur moj nece da se vakcinise.
 
Како треће око извештава о пресудама о аутизму на вакцинацијском суду:
CBSNEWS: Vaccines, Autism and Brain Damage: What's in a Name?

Vaccines have saved untold millions of lives, and the vast majority of people who get them suffer no major problems.

But there's a trade-off: occasionally, vaccines cause injury or death. Very rarely, patients are left with what's known as "encephalopathy", the medical term for brain damage.

In fact, CBS News has found nearly 1,300 cases in which vaccine-related brain damage has been compensated in court over the past 20 years.
The debate over any links between vaccines and autism - a behavior problem triggered by brain damage - couldn't be more contentious. The great majority of medical opinion holds that vaccines don't cause autism. However, many of the same experts don't dispute that vaccines can, in rare instances, cause brain damage.
Family to Receive $1.5 Million + in First-Ever Vaccine-Autism Court Award
Learning From a Previous Vaccine-Autism Case
Our examination of federal vaccine court decisions over the years reflects this. Children who end up with autistic symptoms or autism have won vaccine injury claims over the years-as long as they highlighted general, widely-accepted brain damage; not autism specifically. But when autism or autistic symptoms are alleged as the primary brain damage, the cases are lost.

That doesn't make sense to families who see autism as a specific form of encephalopathy. But it makes perfect sense to the University of Pennsylvania's Dr. Brian Strom, who has served on Institute of Medicine panels advising the government on vaccine safety. He says the prevailing medical opinion is that vaccines are scientifically linked to encephalopathy, but not scientifically linked to autism.

"The fact that a person suffers autism and encephalopathy does not mean that the vaccine caused both of them," says Dr. Strom. "Even if it caused the encephalopathy, that may or may not have been the cause of the autism--those are two different questions."

Still, some families who believe vaccines caused autism in a loved one are circulating these words of advice: use "encephalopathy" in vaccine court and you're more likely to win. Argue "autism" and you're sure to lose.

"I purposely avoided mentioning 'autism' in the claim," says the attorney for a child diagnosed with brain damage and autism after her DTaP vaccination at 18 months. The lawsuit alleged only encephalopathy. "Using (the child's) autism diagnosis would have dragged out the lawsuit for years. The point wasn't to try to win the autism debate, it was to get this family the compensation they need to take care of their injured child." They promptly won a significant award.

Sharyl Attkisson's 2007 Report on Michelle Cedillo
The case of Michelle Cedillo, now 16, couldn't have turned out more differently. Her autism claim was a "test case" in federal vaccine court. If she'd won, it could have opened the floodgate for thousands more vaccine-autism claims to be paid. Michelle's attorney argued that an MMR shot on Dec. 20, 1995 directly caused her severe autism. But the federal vaccine court couldn't have been firmer in smacking down the claim last year, saying there was no credible proof that vaccines caused her autism. Michelle is also diagnosed with severe encephalopathy. Her mother, Theresa Cedillo, feels they could have won if they had simply based their case on encephalopathy. Mrs. Cedillo doesn't regret her daughter being a landmark autism case, even though they lost. But for future families, she says: "if you want to be compensated, I would say stay away from the 'autism' word."
Since the late 1980's, more than 2,100 families have received compensation for vaccine injuries under the federal program designed to help in rare instances of severe vaccine side effects. And more than half of those awards are for brain injuries.


Total Number of Brain Injury Cases Compensated in Federal Vaccine Court
(as of May 2010 and including the newly-released settlement of the Hannah Poling autism case)
Encephalitis/Encephalopathy: 639

Seizure Disorders: 656

Autism 1*

Total: 1,296
Source: HHS-HRSA (Health and Human Services Health Resources and Services Administration)
*In this case (involving Hannah Polling), though the government conceded before trial, it took the position that vaccines didn't "cause" autism, but rather that the vaccines aggravated an unknown and previously undiagnosed mitochondrial disorder the child had which "resulted" in autism. It's unknown how many other children have similar undiagnosed mitochondrial disorder.

Neither the court nor the government is tracking how many vaccine-brain damage cases involve children who also ended up with autism or autistic-like behavior. When we asked for the statistics, vaccine compensation officials told us: "The government has never compensated, nor has it ever been ordered to compensate, any case based on a determination that autism was actually caused by vaccines. We have compensated cases in which children exhibited an encephalopathy, or general brain disease. Encephalopathy may be accompanied by a medical progression of an array of symptoms including autistic behavior, autism, or seizures."

When we asked why government officials aren't looking for the rate of autism among the brain damage victims who have been given compensation, vaccine compensation officials told us: "Anticipating large numbers of claims, the Court allowed the filing of 'shortform' petitions, but without medical records. As a result, a very small number of the pending 5,000 claims have medical records, making it impossible for us to review and compare commonalities, patterns, or any general trends among all of the petitioners. Over time, we may learn more about patterns of pre-existing conditions and the role vaccines play, if any, in their progression. As we have done in the past, the VICP medical staff will look at the court findings and any new scientific information, and may publish scientific articles as appropriate."

Dr. Brian Strom adds that unless an association between vaccines and autism is scientifically proven, it simply doesn't exist, as far as scientists are concerned. "One can always hypothesize that an exposure is linked to an outcome. The question for science is to prove whether or not that truly occurs more often than one would expect by chance. Absent that, a scientist assumes there is no association. It is analogous to a courtroom, where you are innocent until proven guilty. In science, there is no link, unless or until there are data proving a link."
Dr. Brian Strom adds that unless an association between vaccines and autism is scientifically proven, it simply doesn't exist, as far as scientists are concerned
Ова последња изјава би била еквивалентна изјави физичара:"Уколико се не докаже веза између масе и гравитације, она што се тиче научника - једноставно не постоји".
 
Како треће око извештава о пресудама о аутизму на вакцинацијском суду:


Ова последња изјава би била еквивалентна изјави физичара:"Уколико се не докаже веза између масе и гравитације, она што се тиче научника - једноставно не постоји".

Sve lepo piše u članku, samo ti to naravno tumačiš nakaradno.

Ne postoji niti jedan validan dokaz o povezanosti autizma i vakcina, a ta veza je jedna od najdetaljnije istraživanih veza u medicini.

Ako dođe do oštećenja mozga zbog teške neželjene reakcije na vakcinu, tu nema ničeg spornog jer je ta mogućnost potvrđena.

Ali naravno, to se u tvoje zamisli ne uklapa.

Da parafraziram:
Texas: 14-Year Old Virgin Falls Pregnant After Flu Shot World News Daily Report
unless an association between vaccines and pregnancy is scientifically proven, it simply doesn't exist, as far as scientists are concerned
žao mi je, ali ova devojka ne može da dobija alimentaciju od proizvođača vakcine
 
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Sve lepo piše u članku, samo ti to naravno tumačiš nakaradno.

Ne postoji niti jedan validan dokaz o povezanosti autizma i vakcina, a ta veza je jedna od najdetaljnije istraživanih veza u medicini.

Ako dođe do oštećenja mozga zbog teške neželjene reakcije na vakcinu, tu nema ničeg spornog jer je ta mogućnost potvrđena.

Ali naravno, to se u tvoje zamisli ne uklapa.

kako je to ekstra...naprimer ja proizvedem gorionik na pelet i u tehnickom uputstvu napisem da on moze da izazove da vam kuca izgori. i kad se to nekom desi ja nisam odgovoran jer sam vec predvideo takvu mogucnost
 
shojka, ne tudjoj muci najvise zaradjuju oni sto muljaju sa citostaticima

upravo tako ...ne bih da vam rusim iluzije ali sve mi se cini da se od raka izlecio samo onaj ko od raka nije ni bolovao...rana dijagnostika je mac sa 2 ostrice - u toj fazi mnogo je veca verovatnoca da ce se organizam sam izboriti sa bolescu nego da ce ga izleciti citostatici ali bas takve najvise vole da lece ti sto muljaju citostaticima ...hirurgiji svaka cast tu nemam to zamerki...hranite se zdravo, izbegavajte gmo i visoko procesuiranu hranu, vakcine, aditive....sto manje hemije, zdrav zivot i ne verujte bezrezervno lekarima uvek trazite drugo misljenje
 
kako je to ekstra...naprimer ja proizvedem gorionik na pelet i u tehnickom uputstvu napisem da on moze da izazove da vam kuca izgori. i kad se to nekom desi ja nisam odgovoran jer sam vec predvideo takvu mogucnost

joj boze mikro ko mi garntuje da cu se sutra probuditi..prava,zdrava ko dren i nestanem preko noci..i koga tu moji da tuzakaju..garancije nema za nista..i tacka..:D
 
kako je to ekstra...naprimer ja proizvedem gorionik na pelet i u tehnickom uputstvu napisem da on moze da izazove da vam kuca izgori. i kad se to nekom desi ja nisam odgovoran jer sam vec predvideo takvu mogucnost

Gore lepo piše, ukupno 1276 slučajeva kompenzacije. To je zbirni broj od 1988 kada je uspostavljen taj program. U tom periodu dato je više MILIJARDI doza vakcina, a ni ovih 1276 slučajeva nisu dokazani efekat vakcine već su kompenzovani po principu vremenskog poklapanja simptoma. Lakše je isplatiti sve te slučajeve nego se vucarati po sudu.

Naravno, vi ovo ne želite da shvatite, tako da pišem bez namere da vas ubedim.
 
Шта каже Слаџа Велков у интервјуу са Томпсоновим коаутором у спорној студији:
CDC: “Possibility” that vaccines rarely trigger autism
CDC’s immunization safety director says it’s a “possibility” that vaccines rarely trigger autism but “it’s hard to predict who those children might be.” (They’re not even trying.)
[This article was first published on Sept. 2, 2014]
A CDC senior epidemiologist stepped forward last week to say that he and his CDC colleagues omitted data that linked MMR vaccine to autism in a 2004 study. The scientist, William Thompson, said “I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information.”

Dr. Frank DeStefano, CDC Director of Immunization Safety



A coauthor of the questioned study is Dr. Frank DeStefano, Director of the CDC Immunization Safety Office. In a telephone interview last week, DeStefano defended the study and reiterated the commonly accepted position that there’s no “causal” link between vaccines and autism.

But he acknowledged the prospect that vaccines might rarely trigger autism.
“I guess, that, that is a possibility,” said DeStefano. “It’s hard to predict who those children might be, but certainly, individual cases can be studied to look at those possibilities.”


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But instead of allowing Hannah’s case to publicly serve as a precedent for other possible victims, the government took another course: it quietly settled the case and sealed the results. Other families with autistic children were never to know. Hannah’s family petitioned the court to be allowed to reveal the findings but the government fought to keep the case sealed—and prevailed.
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In a court-submitted opinion, neurologist Dr. Andrew Zimmerman, Director of Medical Research at the Kennedy Krieger Institute, stated that he had “personally witnessed [Hannah’s] developmental regression” following “vaccine-induced fever and immune stimulation.”


Zimmerman concluded that Hannah was vulnerable to vaccine injury because she had a metabolic disorder called mitochondrial dysfunction. While vaccines are safe for most children, in Hannah, they triggered a brain injury, according to Zimmerman.
Whether vaccines “caused” or “triggered” Hannah’s autism, the result was the same: but for her vaccinations, Zimmerman said, “Hannah may have led a normal full productive life.” Instead, she suffers “significant lifelong disability.”
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But I asked the CDC’s DeStefano whether it was worth trying to figure out what underlying conditions put kids at risk so they can be tested in advance and, if vulnerable, spared.“That’s very difficult to do,” DeStefano told me. He said the CDC’s priorities are gaining a better understanding of the pathogenesis, genetics and biology of autism. “And then, I think… it’d be more feasible to try to establish if vaccines in an individual case, say a person with a certain set of genes…if we ever get to that point, then that kind of research might be fruitful.
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DeStefano: Yeah, I mean, I mean in that case, you know, she had a, I mean, yo u know, she had an underlying uh biological illness that uh either vaccination, or it could’ve been an infection that that would trigger some physiological stress in her, uh, seems to have, you know, could’ve, could’ve caused uh, um, manifestations that, characteristics of autism which, you, you know, appears to be what happened in her case.

Attkisson: But I mean doesn’t that, is—isn’t that a “link”? It’s not a “causal” link, but isn’t that a potential link between vaccination and autism if certain children with a “underyling biological illness” can have a “trigger” through vaccination?

DeStefano: [Unintell] as you call it, a secondary link if you wanna call it that way, w– in certain children, I mean ri—I mean, I, maybe that, but, you k now, then I guess, that, that is a possibility.
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DeStefano
: uh, [phone noise] Yeah, I mean, I think umYou know, I think it’s something that, uh, well I mean, you know, in terms of uhI mean, It’s hard, it’s hard to say , you know, I mean it’s like, um…I mean how how important that is. I mean, it’s a theoretical possibility , I guess the, the Poling case maybe suggested it could happen . Uh, but [unintell] cause it’s hard to predict who those children might be, but certainly, um indivi dual cases, uh, can be studied to try to, uh, to look at those, uh, those possibilities.
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DeStefano
: Yeah…[unintell] I think…[unintell] have a better understanding of uh of the pathogenesis of autism and the genetics and the biology and then, I think, I mean, and then, and then, with these individual cases, it’d be, you know, more feasible to try to establish if, uh, if, if vaccines in an individual case, say a person with a certain, certain set of genes or something, you know, if we ever get to that point, then that kind of research, uh, might be fruitful, you know.

But uh, it’s very difficult to make a causal link in in just one case.
Пази сад, "на основу једног случаја", а све који их туже за аутизам аутоматски одбацују. Али ако то назовеш енцефалoпатијом или слично, онда је ОК. (ово ОК се наравно односи на мањи део којима је додељена одштета у односу на већи део који је одбијен, а тек шта рећи на највећи део (већи од 90%) који и није дошао до суда.
 
Nije "na osnovu jednog slučaja" nego na osnovu desetina studija i preko 15 miliona dece u njima. Ti ne želiš istinu, ti samo tražiš potvrdu za svoja ubeđenja.

Mogućnost za neželjenu reakciju je potvrđena, ali je ona toliko retka da ne može da se istraži. To o 90% ćeš morati da obrazložiš.

Što se tiče mogućnosti "okidanja autizma" (ne encefalopatije već autizma) i ona je istražena nakon ove vesti, dokazano je da MMR ne može biti okidač autizma.

P.S. Šeril Etkinson je poznati antivakcinaški novinar i budi kritički nastrojen kad čitaš njena sugestivna pitanja.
Ali ti ni to ne želiš, jer ona govori ono što ti želiš da čuješ.
 
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pricaj nam malo o tome kako je bezbedno bebi dati 10000 vakcina

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Шта каже Слаџа Велков у интервјуу са Томпсоновим коаутором у спорној студији:



Пази сад, "на основу једног случаја", а све који их туже за аутизам аутоматски одбацују. Али ако то назовеш енцефалoпатијом или слично, онда је ОК. (ово ОК се наравно односи на мањи део којима је додељена одштета у односу на већи део који је одбијен, а тек шта рећи на највећи део (већи од 90%) који и није дошао до суда.

sa ovim gmo vakcinama tek im se nece moci nista dokazati ... polio izazvan gmo polio vakcinom nije vise onaj stari, dali mu novo ime i kazu ajde dokazite da je od vakcine ako mozete
 
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