Lepa je igrica, jednako je informativna kao povratak marsa, venere...na natalnu poziciju. Ne mora, nije neophodno ali dosta otkriva. Ako vam je astrologija samospoznaja, go for it jako mnogo cete pronaci u persona chartu!!!!
Probajte na primeru marsa/venere/merkura da radite, najlakse se razume. Samo poznavaoci astrologije ce moci da prate. Naredni extrahovani textovi su preuzeti sa neta =>
In the 1990's, a couple of German astrologers came up with an idea that, during the first year of a child's life, each planet was 'activated' for the very first time when the Sun passed over it in the baby's chart...that the moment the planet was transited by the Sun was when the planet was energized in the personality. Peter Orban and Ingrid Zinnel wrote their book in their own language (German), of course, and a small group of astrologers paid attention to it. But for some reason it never caught on in the rest of the world, the book "Personare - Die zwölf Personen im Innern der Seele" ("Persona charts - Twelve personalities within the psyche") was never translated into other languages, most astrologers outside of Germany have not heard of the technique. Astro.com has rekindled an interest in it, but the reason you have not been able to find much about it is because, simply, very few astrologers even know of its existance. But it is pretty much unexplored territory as far as most astrologers are concerned, so you may find it difficult to find someone who can give you more information on how to use the Persona chart other than the above links.
The basic logic of the charts comes from the realization that, although humans are wholes, the wholes are made up of various parts, and each part has an identity. If you can imagine that a baby has a bunch of potenialties in his/her chart, each one become active for the first time when the Sun transits over it, you can follow that with setting up a chart for each one of those parts.
But it opens up a whole can of worms to deal with. Here are a just a few questions such a concept raises:
1. Mercury cannot be more than 28 degrees away from the Sun, but those 28 degrees can be either before or after the Sun. If one child has Mercury after the Sun, his/her Mercury Persona chart will be activated some time within the first 28 days of life. If another child has Mercury before the Sun, however, his/her Mercury Persona chart will not be activated until the child is almost a year old. Will the first child be speaking at a younger age than the second child......will the second child be a late bloomer?
2. Venus has a similar limitation, albeit it can get as far as 47 degrees either side of the Sun. Will a child with Venus after the Sun develop social skills earlier than the one with Venus before the Sun?
3. Will the order of activation of each planet tell us something about development of said child? For example, following my Sun, the next three planets in order are Uranus, Venus and Pluto. What was the difference in my development as compared to someone who had Mercury, Mars and Saturn as the first three planets the Sun contacted? Just how different from me would a person be who had the same three planets following the Sun, but in a different order, such as Venus, Pluto, then Uranus?
As to how to interpret each Persona chart....that takes a leap outside of the box of traditional astrological thinking. With a regular birthchart, everything is centered on the Sun. But with a Persona chart, everything in the chart is related back to the planet in question, not the Sun. Let's take Mercury as an example.
Mercury is the logical mind, and the ability to communicate, among other things. The Persona chart for Mercury will tell a story about the person's logical mind and how they communicate.....but this will be the central theme of the chart, and everything in the chart will relate back to it. The second house of a birthchart is, for example, possessions and what a person finds valuable. The second house of a Mercury Persona chart would have to be possesions of the mind, and what the mind finds valuable. What does the mind possess? Ideas, concepts, words, mental pictures. The seventh house of a birthchart is the house of other people that we have a one-to-one relationship with. The second house of a Mercury Persona chart would have to be how the person deals with the other Mercury's it comes into contact with.....how one's mind deals with the words, thoughts, and ideas of the people one speaks with. Etc.
Following this process, you would have a lot of work to do to study all of the Persona charts. There would be one for the Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, and each one would have 12 houses to deal with. If you haven't gotten totally exhausted after all of that, you could then look at the Persona chart for Chiron, or Ceres. Perhaps the North Node and South Node each have their own Persona charts?
Sounds like you could spend days, even weeks, studying all the charts derived using this method.
Which may be one reason why it never got very far off the ground when it was first proposed in the 1990's. Who has the time to study that many charts, in that much detail, all for one person?
Orban and Zinnel have discovered that the horoscope for the moment at which the
Sun first traverses the position of Mars in the birth chart is an expression of
the sub-personality corresponding to Mars. Like a solar horoscope, the chart for
this moment can be interpreted as a “natal chart” for that
person’s Mars-personality, the Mars persona chart.
The fascinating thing about
persona charts is that the basic idea is so convincing – that in passing,
the Sun awakens the sub-personalities.
Interpreting Persona Charts
Here is a very short guide to the interpretation of persona charts, according to
Orban and Zinnel.
The Moon Persona Chart
The feminine in us, our feeling worlds, the inner child, emotional security.
This tells us a lot about the inner life of a person.
The Mercury Persona Chart
Outward mobility, articulation, intelligence, communicating with the outer
world, dealing with daily necessity.
The Venus Persona Chart
Joy in the senses, Eros and sexual pleasure, sensual delight, the way we relate
to other people, problems we might have to deal with in relationships.
The Mars Persona Chart
The inner warrior, self-assertion, how one takes a stand, the kinds of battles
one fights, with what means one fights them and to what purpose.
The Jupiter Persona Chart
The meaning of life, the inner therapist, where we put the
“religion” in our lives.
The Saturn Persona Chart
The law, our mission in life, things fate wants to teach us and things we
don’t like to learn.
The Uranus Persona Chart
Where to let go, where to be free, and where we find the “fool” and
“jester”.
The Neptune Persona Chart
The search for truth, pushing past falsehood to what lies beyond.
The Pluto Persona Chart
The battle with demons, with forces that want to keep us from life. Fixed images
and ideologies.
When working with persona charts, one should bear the following points in mind:
1) The most important sub-personality is the “Ruler of 1”. For
example, anyone with an ascendant in Libra should take a good look at their
Venus persona chart. The persona chart for the planet which rules the ascendant
can give us a lot of insight.
2) The persona chart for the Moon tells us about the feminine energies of a
person. Just as the natal chart is the Sun-persona chart or Yang-chart, so the
Moon persona chart is the Yin-chart. In this sense it is the horoscope of the
anima, the feminine counterpart. Tuning in to her means going in search of her
story.
3) The ascendant of a persona chart leads us deeply into the unconscious. It
shows where the unconscious strives toward the light.
4) The Sun in a persona chart is regarded as the ego of the sub-personality. Not
as THE EGO!! Saturn too has an “ego”, a will-to-be. The persona-ego
is always partly familiar, since the Sun occupies the zodiacal degree of the
planet involved. However, there is no way in which we can tell which house it
will be in. This tells us considerably more about how the sub-personality will
behave.
5) The midheaven (MC) of the persona-chart shows the fate of the
sub-personality. At the same time, it represents the quintessence of the path to
be taken, from the (subconscious) ascendant to the “Light of
Consciousness” at the midheaven. One cannot tell how far each person will
go, since this seems to depend on the intensity of the individual effort.
But if the persona chart for your Mars is actually the chart for your inner warrior, the inner guy who wants to take action, full of drive and ambition, then this Mars persona chart will only deepen this concept.Cancer rising will say that your inner warrior fights for family values, that you are most likely to spend a lot of your energy, drive, ambition in Cancerian settings, such as family, home, your country, your dorm, riverside or lakeside and other similar places. It also tells about a peaceful and non-combative attitude in life, always striving not to harm.Sun's position in the 6th house would indicate that your natal Mars energy is used for service, for fulfilling duties, that you invest a lot of your energy to do things right, almost perfect and so on. In fact, this idea is already present in your traditional natal chart - natal Mars in Virgo. You can expand this kind of interpretation for all other planets incl Chiron.
