Vlaška odgonetka 02

[Mrkalj]

Ovo je blog koji je počeo život na temi De administrando imperio, zbirna tema, odakle ga je moderator premestio kao posebnu temu nakon brisanja dragocenih mojih postova.

Na kraju, predložio sam i zamolio moderatore sa Istorije da temu prebace na Blogove, gde će mi biti omogućena kreativna sloboda izražavanja i sloboda da pišem i proučavam sve teme koje ne ugrožavaju prava i slobode drugih ljudi.

Zato, ne zamerite, na početku bloga po tipu - s neba pa u rebra.

Ovaj blog ima za cilj ispitivanje verodostojnosti tekstova koje dobijam od nepoznatog prijatelja i nije joj cilj da bilo koja netačna informacija, kojih ima u priličnom broju, ostane prikrivena, već joj je cilj da sve netačnosti u tom tekstu budu razotkrivene.

Ovako je to počelo pre nekoliko dana....

(Tekst iznad dodat 25. V. 2023. dok je predsednik govorio, a po premeštanju teme na Blog Krstarice...)

The first document that mentions Vlachs dates back to the 10th century and is known as the "De Administrando Imperio" or "On the Governance of the Empire". This document was written by the Byzantine Emperor Constantine VII and provides a detailed account of the various ethnic groups living within the Byzantine Empire, including the Vlachs.

In the "De Administrando Imperio", Constantine VII describes the Vlachs as a pastoral people who lived in the mountainous regions of present-day Greece, Albania, and Romania. He notes that they were skilled shepherds and were known for their ability to survive in harsh environments. The document also suggests that the Vlachs may have been of Roman origin, as they spoke a language that was similar to Latin.

The mention of Vlachs in the "De Administrando Imperio" is significant because it provides one of the earliest written references to this ethnic group. It also sheds light on their way of life and their cultural identity, which has been a subject of debate among scholars for many years.

Overall, while there may be other documents that mention Vlachs from around this time period, the "De Administrando Imperio" is widely regarded as one of the most authoritative sources on this topic.

 

[Pravi Vlah]

The first document that mentions Vlachs dates back to the 10th century and is known as the "De Administrando Imperio" or "On the Governance of the Empire". This document was written by the Byzantine Emperor Constantine VII and provides a detailed account of the various ethnic groups living within the Byzantine Empire, including the Vlachs.

In the "De Administrando Imperio", Constantine VII describes the Vlachs as a pastoral people who lived in the mountainous regions of present-day Greece, Albania, and Romania. He notes that they were skilled shepherds and were known for their ability to survive in harsh environments. The document also suggests that the Vlachs may have been of Roman origin, as they spoke a language that was similar to Latin.

The mention of Vlachs in the "De Administrando Imperio" is significant because it provides one of the earliest written references to this ethnic group. It also sheds light on their way of life and their cultural identity, which has been a subject of debate among scholars for many years.

Overall, while there may be other documents that mention Vlachs from around this time period, the "De Administrando Imperio" is widely regarded as one of the most authoritative sources on this topic.

Bullshit.
Porphyrogenitus does not mention Vlachs at all. He does mention Latin-speaking Romans (whom he calls Romani) in the Balkans and whom he distinguishes from the Greek-speak Romaioi. And nothing about shepherding.

 

[Mrkalj]

Bullshit.
Porphyrogenitus does not mention Vlachs at all. He does mention Latin-speaking Romans (whom he calls Romani) in the Balkans and whom he distinguishes from the Greek-speak Romaioi. And nothing about shepherding.

Znači - "U De Administrando Imperio, Konstantin VII opisuje Vlahe kao stočarski narod koji je živeo u planinskim predelima današnje Grčke, Albanije i Rumunije. Napominje da su bili vešti pastiri i da su bili poznati po svojoj sposobnosti da prežive u teškim okruženjima."

... ništa nije tačno da ih opisuje kao čobane? Dobro.
A jel ovo tačno da je napisao Porfirogenit: "the Vlachs dwell beyond the Danube river." He also described them as "a simple people, who have no ruler but their own voivode [leader], and they are subject to no one."

 

[Pravi Vlah]

Znači - "U De Administrando Imperio, Konstantin VII opisuje Vlahe kao stočarski narod koji je živeo u planinskim predelima današnje Grčke, Albanije i Rumunije. Napominje da su bili vešti pastiri i da su bili poznati po svojoj sposobnosti da prežive u teškim okruženjima."

... ništa nije tačno da ih opisuje kao čobane? Dobro.
A jel ovo tačno da je napisao Porfirogenit: "the Vlachs dwell beyond the Danube river." He also described them as "a simple people, who have no ruler but their own voivode [leader], and they are subject to no one."

Понављам. Порфирогенит уопште не спомиња реч Влах. И све остало у горњем параграфу су лажи. Ко је то измислио? Ти?

 

[Mrkalj]

Понављам. Порфирогенит уопште не спомиња реч Влах.

Dobro, kažeš da "spominja latinofone Romane koje naziva Romani", pa te pitam kako to da oni svog vođu zovu VOIVODE, što konstatuje Porfirogenit oko 945. n.e.?

 

[Mrkalj]

Ništa? Ajde da naučiš nešto.

Bullshit.
Porphyrogenitus does not mention Vlachs at all. He does mention Latin-speaking Romans (whom he calls Romani) in the Balkans and whom he distinguishes from the Greek-speak Romaioi. And nothing about shepherding.

Понављам. Порфирогенит уопште не спомиња реч Влах. И све остало у горњем параграфу су лажи. Ко је то измислио? Ти?

Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus refers to Vlachs as "Blachernitai". This term is derived from the Blachernae Palace in Constantinople, which was known for having a large population of Vlachs.

 

[Q. in perpetuum hibernum]

Dobro, kažeš da "spominja latinofone Romane koje naziva Romani", pa te pitam kako to da oni svog vođu zovu VOIVODE, što konstatuje Porfirogenit oko 945. n.e.?

Netačno. Ne konstatuje to Porfirogenit.

 

[Pravi Vlah]

Ništa? Ajde da naučiš nešto.




Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus refers to Vlachs as "Blachernitai". This term is derived from the Blachernae Palace in Constantinople, which was known for having a large population of Vlachs.

Опет лажеш, као што лаже ко год је извор горњег текста. Што не цитираш Порфирогенита?

 

[Pravi Vlah]

The first document that mentions Vlachs dates back to the 10th century and is known as the "De Administrando Imperio" or "On the Governance of the Empire". This document was written by the Byzantine Emperor Constantine VII and provides a detailed account of the various ethnic groups living within the Byzantine Empire, including the Vlachs.

In the "De Administrando Imperio", Constantine VII describes the Vlachs as a pastoral people who lived in the mountainous regions of present-day Greece, Albania, and Romania. He notes that they were skilled shepherds and were known for their ability to survive in harsh environments. The document also suggests that the Vlachs may have been of Roman origin, as they spoke a language that was similar to Latin.

The mention of Vlachs in the "De Administrando Imperio" is significant because it provides one of the earliest written references to this ethnic group. It also sheds light on their way of life and their cultural identity, which has been a subject of debate among scholars for many years.

Overall, while there may be other documents that mention Vlachs from around this time period, the "De Administrando Imperio" is widely regarded as one of the most authoritative sources on this topic.

Горњи текст је очито твоја измишљотина јер Google га нигде не налази осим овде.

 

[Mrkalj]

Kako možeš da mene zezaš za trolovanje, a daš ovakav odgovor na pitanje odakle si kopirao taj tekst?

Ovde postoji princip da se postavi izvor kada se kopira neki tekst. Inače, to je plagijat. Jedno stotinu puta ima da je Khal Drogo upozoravao i molio.

Frka? Opet pretvaraš temu u lakrdiju. Majstor prikrivanja referenci si ti - prepričaš i ćutiš, čekaš da te neko moli za referencu.

Netačno. Ne konstatuje to Porfirogenit.

Tačno, konstatuje vođu vlaha pod pojmom KNEZ u Poglavlju 32. Moja greška. Izvinjavam se. Pitanje ostaje. Otkud Vlasima u 9. i 10. veku "KNEZ" ako nisu poreklom Sloveni?

 

[Mrkalj]

Tačno, konstatuje vođu vlaha pod pojmom KNEZ u Poglavlju 32. Moja greška. Izvinjavam se. Pitanje ostaje. Otkud Vlasima u 9. i 10. veku "KNEZ" ako nisu poreklom Sloveni?

Opet greška. Imam problema sa čitanjem tog resursa. Ali, ne brinite, biće koristi kad uhvatim više vremena

 

[Mrkalj]

Ovaj lik očigledno ima pred sobom nešto što mi nemamo:

in paragraph 32 of Chapter 29, which states: "And next to them are situated another three peoples, of whom one is called Zachlumians, another Pagani, and thirdly Blachernitai."

Izgleda da se rukopisni primerci ne poklapaju.

To je ovo mesto sa tri zvezdice, pretpostavljam?

 

[Mrkalj]

Ovaj lik očigledno ima pred sobom nešto što mi nemamo:

in paragraph 32 of Chapter 29, which states: "And next to them are situated another three peoples, of whom one is called Zachlumians, another Pagani, and thirdly Blachernitai."

Izgleda da se rukopisni primerci ne poklapaju.

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To je ovo mesto sa tri zvezdice, pretpostavljam?

Sporni ciztat je iz Dela Jovana i Manojla Komnina od Jovana Kinamosa, 12. vek.

Poglavlje 29, pasus 32:

"And next to them are situated another three peoples, of whom one is called Zachlumians, another Pagani, and thirdly Blachernitai. And the Zachlumians and Pagani speak a Slavonic tongue, but the Blachernitai are said to be descended from Romans. And so these three peoples are intermingled one with another, and they have the same customs and use the same language."

 

[Q. in perpetuum hibernum]

Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus refers to Vlachs as "Blachernitai". This term is derived from the Blachernae Palace in Constantinople, which was known for having a large population of Vlachs.

Zašto se hvataš za svaku glupost na koju naletiš po nekom forumu, YouTube komentaru ili slično?

Šta je teško otići na archive.org i ukucati u Moravčikovo izdanje uz CTRL+F, pa proveriti. Za to ti ne treba doslovno ni par sekundi:https://archive.org/stream/porphyrogenitus-1967-dai/Porphyrogenitus_1967_DAI_djvu.txt

U DAI se nigde uopšte ni ne pominje to.

Горњи текст је очито твоја измишљотина јер Google га нигде не налази осим овде.

Meni je to najčudnije; naleti na društvenim mrežama na neku glupost ili na nekog čoveka koji je stranac, pa sa njim komunicira na engleskom, i onda to na šta je nabasao ovde nama kopira. Meni je jednom ili možda čak više puta napisao da zagađujem, a upravo ovo je primer kontaminacije.

Još, pazi, krije šta je to što postavlja. Ako je reč o prikrivaju u nameri da bi se izbegla blamaža, postiže se doslovno suprotno.

Frka? Opet pretvaraš temu u lakrdiju. Majstor prikrivanja referenci si ti - prepričaš i ćutiš, čekaš da te neko moli za referencu.

Ovo je čista laž. Kada sam ja postavio ovde nečiji citat, ne tvrdeći uopše o čemu se radi?

Pa još i namerno izbegavao da navedem izvor, čak.

 

[Mrkalj]

Kada sam ja postavio ovde nečiji citat, ne tvrdeći uopše o čemu se radi?

Pa još i namerno izbegavao da navedem izvor, čak.

Kad sam ja rekao da ti "postaviš citat"? Zašto falsifikuješ moje reči?

Da, namerno izbegavaš.

 

[Q. in perpetuum hibernum]

Da, namerno izbegavaš.

Pa šta je onda ovo:

The first document that mentions Vlachs dates back to the 10th century and is known as the "De Administrando Imperio" or "On the Governance of the Empire". This document was written by the Byzantine Emperor Constantine VII and provides a detailed account of the various ethnic groups living within the Byzantine Empire, including the Vlachs.

In the "De Administrando Imperio", Constantine VII describes the Vlachs as a pastoral people who lived in the mountainous regions of present-day Greece, Albania, and Romania. He notes that they were skilled shepherds and were known for their ability to survive in harsh environments. The document also suggests that the Vlachs may have been of Roman origin, as they spoke a language that was similar to Latin.

The mention of Vlachs in the "De Administrando Imperio" is significant because it provides one of the earliest written references to this ethnic group. It also sheds light on their way of life and their cultural identity, which has been a subject of debate among scholars for many years.

Overall, while there may be other documents that mention Vlachs from around this time period, the "De Administrando Imperio" is widely regarded as one of the most authoritative sources on this topic.

Je li to sada tvrdiš da je ovo tvoj autorski tekst, a ne nečiji citat koji si plagirao?

Da, namerno izbegavaš.

Ma izmišljaš. Štaviše, ja konstantno dobijam komplimente kako sam među retkima koji se trudi da uvek precizira šta je odakle.

Štaviše, prilično je neverovatno da ti je ovako nešto palo i na pamet. Ja postavio teskt i krijem odakle je.

 

[Mrkalj]

Štaviše, prilično je neverovatno da ti je ovako nešto palo i na pamet. Ja postavio teskt i krijem odakle je.

Drugi put ponavljaš svoj falsifikat onog što sam rekao.

Osim u retkim situacijama, gotovo ništa nisi sopstvenom glavom smislio, svaki put si prepričao tuđe mišljenje i nikad nisi naveo tu referencu koju si prepričao, upravo da bi postigao utisak svog zaključka.

 

[Q. in perpetuum hibernum]

Imam problema sa čitanjem tog resursa.

Ovaj lik očigledno ima pred sobom nešto što mi nemamo:

A šta je taj „resurs“ i taj tvoj taj „lik“ kojeg citiraš?

Sporni ciztat je iz Dela Jovana i Manojla Komnina od Jovana Kinamosa, 12. vek.

Poglavlje 29, pasus 32:

"And next to them are situated another three peoples, of whom one is called Zachlumians, another Pagani, and thirdly Blachernitai. And the Zachlumians and Pagani speak a Slavonic tongue, but the Blachernitai are said to be descended from Romans. And so these three peoples are intermingled one with another, and they have the same customs and use the same language."

Jovan Kinam, nije. Osim što Kinam ne može biti nikako, što bi svakome trebalo da bude očigledno iz prostog razloga što ne pominje ni X vek ni naziv DAI, nema uopšte kod Kinama ni takvog citata smeštenog u navodnicima iznad.

U prevodu, kako bi ti rekaо: muljaš nešto, opet.

 

[Q. in perpetuum hibernum]

Drugi put ponavljaš svoj falsifikat onog što sam rekao.

Osim u retkim situacijama, gotovo ništa nisi sopstvenom glavom smislio, svaki put si prepričao tuđe mišljenje i nikad nisi naveo tu referencu koju si prepričao, upravo da bi postigao utisak svog zaključka.

Joj, kako pokušavaš da se izvlačiš. Pitanje je:

The first document that mentions Vlachs dates back to the 10th century and is known as the "De Administrando Imperio" or "On the Governance of the Empire". This document was written by the Byzantine Emperor Constantine VII and provides a detailed account of the various ethnic groups living within the Byzantine Empire, including the Vlachs.

In the "De Administrando Imperio", Constantine VII describes the Vlachs as a pastoral people who lived in the mountainous regions of present-day Greece, Albania, and Romania. He notes that they were skilled shepherds and were known for their ability to survive in harsh environments. The document also suggests that the Vlachs may have been of Roman origin, as they spoke a language that was similar to Latin.

The mention of Vlachs in the "De Administrando Imperio" is significant because it provides one of the earliest written references to this ethnic group. It also sheds light on their way of life and their cultural identity, which has been a subject of debate among scholars for many years.

Overall, while there may be other documents that mention Vlachs from around this time period, the "De Administrando Imperio" is widely regarded as one of the most authoritative sources on this topic.

Da li je ovo tvoj autorski tekst? Ako nije, odakle si ga kopirao (od Kinama, očigledno, nisi)?

 

[Mrkalj]

Joj, kako pokušavaš da se izvlačiš. Pitanje je:



Da li je ovo tvoj autorski tekst? Ako nije, odakle si ga kopirao (od Kinama, očigledno, nisi)?

In "The Deeds of John and Manuel Comnenus" by John Kinnamos, the author (Book 2, Chapter 18) describes how Emperor John II Comnenus built a new palace in Constantinople called the "Palace of Blachernai" and how the emperor's son, Alexios, was born there. Kinnamos also notes that the Blachernitoi were a group of people who lived near the palace and were known for their loyalty to the emperor.

To je sve što imam od podataka.

 

[Q. in perpetuum hibernum]

In "The Deeds of John and Manuel Comnenus" by John Kinnamos, the author (Book 2, Chapter 18) describes how Emperor John II Comnenus built a new palace in Constantinople called the "Palace of Blachernai" and how the emperor's son, Alexios, was born there. Kinnamos also notes that the Blachernitoi were a group of people who lived near the palace and were known for their loyalty to the emperor.

Knjiga 2, pogl. 18 pomenutog dela Jovana Kinama:

To je sve što imam od podataka.

Očigledno da ― šta god da je, pošto ostaje tajna ― ne valja.

A niti ima veze sa DAI.

 

[Mrkalj]

I, koji su to sve dokazi da je Porfieogenitov spis falsifikat, kako si u dužem vremenskom periodu ispratio?

Po tvom mišljenju, da li u DAI postoji potvrda da su Hrvati narod?

 

[Q. in perpetuum hibernum]

Po tvom mišljenju, da li u DAI postoji potvrda da su Hrvati narod?

U onom kontekstu u kojem govorimo da svaku zemlju sačinjava neki „narod“ (stanovništvo) koji živi na toj teritoriji, da.

Treba dodati i to da ukazuje na postojanje tradicije o tome da je tu državu osnovala, odnosno da je moguće da je postojala nekakva plemenska zajednica Hrvata na području slovenskog severa.

Hoćeš li sad konačno ti odgovoriti na pitanje odakle ti taj čudan engleski tekst?

 

[Mrkalj]

Hoćeš li sad konačno ti odgovoriti na pitanje odakle ti taj čudan engleski tekst?

Ne, zato što ni ja ne znam odakle je.

PS. Možda ako pitaš Tadnoorija preko PM, on sve zna.

A odgovor na pitanje odakle mi je - neko mi je poslao.

 

[Мали Перица]

The first document that mentions Vlachs dates back to the 10th century and is known as the "De Administrando Imperio" or "On the Governance of the Empire". This document was written by the Byzantine Emperor Constantine VII and provides a detailed account of the various ethnic groups living within the Byzantine Empire, including the Vlachs.

In the "De Administrando Imperio", Constantine VII describes the Vlachs as a pastoral people who lived in the mountainous regions of present-day Greece, Albania, and Romania. He notes that they were skilled shepherds and were known for their ability to survive in harsh environments. The document also suggests that the Vlachs may have been of Roman origin, as they spoke a language that was similar to Latin.

The mention of Vlachs in the "De Administrando Imperio" is significant because it provides one of the earliest written references to this ethnic group. It also sheds light on their way of life and their cultural identity, which has been a subject of debate among scholars for many years.

Overall, while there may be other documents that mention Vlachs from around this time period, the "De Administrando Imperio" is widely regarded as one of the most authoritative sources on this topic.

Ничег сличног нема у DAI. Нејасно је зашто уопште овакво смеће од текста качиш овде, као да нису у стању да прочиташ сам шта у делу пише и видиш да ово нема везе с везом.