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Prorostvo o Gogu i Magogu

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Iz Knjige proroka Jezekilja, glava 38:

1 Opet mi dođe reč Gospodnja govoreći:

2 Sine čovečji, okreni lice svoje prema Gogu u zemlji Magogu, knezu i glavi u Mesehu i Tuvalu, i prorokuj na nj;


3 I reci: Ovako veli Gospod Gospod: evo me na tebe, Gože, kneže i glavo Mesehu i Tuvalu;

4 I vratiću te natrag, i metnuću ti žvale u čeljusti, i izvešću tebe i svu vojsku tvoju, konje i konjike, sve dobro odevene, zbor veliki sa štitovima i štitićima, sve koji mačem mašu,


5 S njima Persijance, Etiopljane i Puteje, sve sa štitovima i pod šlemovima,


6 Gomera i sve čete njegove, dom Togarmin sa severnog kraja i sve čete njegove, mnoge narode s tobom.


7 Pripravi sve i spremi se ti i sve ljudstvo tvoje, što se sabralo kod tebe, i budi im stražar.


8 Posle mnogo vremena bićeš pohođen, i poslednjih godina doći ćeš u zemlju izbavljenu od mača i sabranu iz mnogih naroda, u gore Izrailjeve, koje behu jednako puste, a oni će izvedeni iz naroda svi živeti bez straha.


9 I podignućeš se, i doći ćeš kao bura, bićeš kao oblak da pokriješ zemlju ti i sve čete tvoje i mnogi narodi s tobom.


10 Ovako veli Gospod Gospod: i tada će ti doći u srce stvari, i smišljaćeš zle misli.

11 I reći ćeš: Idem na zemlju gde su sela, i udariću na mirni narod koji živi bez straha, koji svi žive u mestima bez zidova i nemaju ni prevornica ni vrata,


12 Da napleniš plena i nagrabiš grabeža, da posegneš rukom svojom na pustinje naseljene i na narod sabrani iz naroda, koji se bavi stokom i imanjem, i živi usred zemlje.

13 Sava i Dedan i trgovci tarsiski i svi lavići njegovi kazaće ti: Jesi li došao da pleniš plen? Jesi li skupio ljudstvo svoje da grabiš grabež? Da odneseš srebro i zlato, da uzmeš stoku i trg, da napleniš mnogo plena?


14 Zato prorokuj, sine čovečji, i reci Gogu: Ovako veli Gospod Gospod: U ono vreme, kad će moj narod Izrailj živeti bez straha, nećeš li znati?


15 I doći ćeš iz svog mesta, sa severnog kraja, ti i mnogi narodi s tobom, svi jašući na konjima, mnoštvo veliko i vojska velika.


16 I podignućeš se na moj narod Izrailja kao oblak da pokriješ zemlju, u poslednje vreme dovešću te na zemlju svoju da me poznadu narodi kad se posvetim u tebi pred njima, Gože!


17 Ovako veli Gospod Gospod: Nisi li ti onaj o kome govorih u staro vreme preko sluga svojih, proroka Izrailjevih, koji prorokovaše u ono vreme godinama da ću te dovesti na njih.

18 A kad dođe Gog na zemlju Izrailjevu, govori Gospod Gospod, onda će se podignuti jarost moja u gnevu mom.

19 I u revnosti svojoj, u ognju gneva svog govoriću: doista, tada će biti drhat veliki u zemlji Izrailjevoj.


20 I ribe morske i ptice nebeske i zveri poljske i sve što gamiže po zemlji, i svi ljudi po zemlji zadrhtaće od mene, i gore će se razvaliti i vrleti popadati, i svi će zidovi popadati na zemlju.


21 I dozvaću na nj mač po svim gorama svojim, govori Gospod Gospod: Mač će se svakog obratiti na brata njegovog.


22 I sudiću mu pomorom i krvlju; i pustiću na nj i na čete njegove i na mnoge narode, koji budu s njim, silan dažd, kamenje od grada, oganj i sumpor.

23 I proslaviću se i posvetiću se i biću poznat pred mnogim narodima, i poznaće da sam ja Gospod.
Ko su Gog i Magog? Njihova biblijska genealogija i koji su to narodi danas?

Da li je zemlja Izrailjeva zemlja starozavjetnog ili novozavjetnog Izrailja, tj Jevreja ili hriscana?
 

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Gog i Magog se pojavljuju i u Otkrovenju, Knjizi Postanja kao i u Kuranu. Nije baš najjasnije na koga se odnose ovi toponimi, jer se predstavljaju čas kao sinovi Adamovi, čas kao natprirodna bića, a tek po pitanju naroda je prava zavrzlama. Kroz istoriju su označavali Ruse, Jevreje, Hazare, Gote...
 

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Gog i Magog se pojavljuju i u Otkrovenju, Knjizi Postanja kao i u Kuranu. Nije baš najjasnije na koga se odnose ovi toponimi, jer se predstavljaju čas kao sinovi Adamovi, čas kao natprirodna bića, a tek po pitanju naroda je prava zavrzlama. Kroz istoriju su označavali Ruse, Jevreje, Hazare, Gote...
Ih, kakav si mi ti gnostik? Zar se zadovoljavas onim sto ti se od drugih nudi kao znanje?

Sinovi Jafetovi: Gomer i Magog i Madaj i Javan i Tovel i Meseh i Tiras.
Sinovi Ruvima, prvenca Izrailjevog behu: Anoh i Faluj, Esron i Harmija,

Sinovi Joilovi: Semaja sin mu, a njegov sin Gog, a njegov sin Simej,

A njegov sin Miha, a njegov sin Reaja, a njegov sin Val,

A njegov sin Veira, kog odvede Teglat-Felasar car asirski; on beše knez plemena Ruvimovog.
Zakljucak: Gog i Magog su saveznici, porijeklom razliciti : Semiti i Jafetovci tj. pripadnici jevrejskog i slovenskog roda.
 
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ono sto je meni poznato o narodu Jedzudz i Medzudz odnosno o Gog i Mago jeste da ce se pojaviti pred smak svijeta. Oni su narod niskog rasta mongolskih crta lica, vrlo netrpeljivi i ratoborni , veoma brojna populacija. Nekad zivjeli na zemlji a onda nakon mnogo zla koje su cinili pravednim ljudima, pravedni vladar je Bozijom pomoci napravio pregradu izmedju tog naroda i nas ostalih. Oni na neki Bogu znan nacin zive paralelno sa nasim svjetom i njihova populacija je iz godinu u godinu sve veca.
Oni svakog dana potkopavaju tu pregradu medjutim tek ce uspjeti u tim namjerama pred kraj svjeta.
 

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http://www.orthodoxchristianbooks.com/downloads/244_APOCALYPSE_THE_BOOK_OF_THE_END.pdf (страна 226)

St. Cosmas of Aitolia prophesied: "In the city [Constantinople] so much
blood will flow that a three-year-old calf will float on it." 318 St. John of
Kronstadt likewise saw the Soviet Antichrist - and Sovietism still rules under
a democratic mask in Russia today - being destroyed in the midst of
unprecedented bloodshed, and specifically recalled this verse from the
Apocalypse.319 Again, Archbishop Theophanes of Poltava said: "This terrible
war, say the saints, will begin in the East and will end in the West... More than
half of mankind will perish... All the great cities will be annihilated...
Indescribable sufferings await the inhabitants of the earth..."320
Taking all these prophecies together, then, with the closely related
prophecies of Ezekiel 38-39 and Joel 2-3, we may conclude that the passage is
referring to the destruction of the Russian armies, Gog and Magog, during
their invasion of the Middle East and Israel, and in general to the
unprecedented carnage of the Third World War.
 

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With regard to Armageddon, however, we are not as free to resort to a
symbolical interpretation. For Armageddon is specifically called such in the
Hebrew tongue, which implies a specific link with the land of Israel and the
Jewish people. It may be significant that the other name in the Apocalypse
which is given in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, the demon-king of the
army of locust invaders (9.11), whom we have identified with Gog and
Magog, the Russian invaders of Israel.
 

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According to the fourteenth chapter of Zechariah, which a Jewish tradition
says will be fulfilled "under Gog"325, the invaders will perish in a manner
reminiscent of the effects of a nuclear explosion: their flesh shall consume
away while they are standing upon their feet, and their eyes shall melt out
of their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth (14.12).
 

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And the word of the Lord came to me, saying, Son of man, set thy face
against Gog, and the land of Magog, Rhos, prince of Mesoch and Thobel,
and prophesy against him, and say to him, Thus saith the Lord God: I am
against thee Rhos, prince of Mesoch and Thobel…
Wilt thou not arise in
that day, when My people Israel are dwelling securely, and come out from
thy place from the farthest north, and many nations with thee? all of them
mounted on horses, a great gathering, and a large force? And thou shalt
come up upon My people Israel as a cloud shall cover the land; it shall
come to pass in the last days (Ezekiel 38.1-3, 14-6).

Josephus says that Magog (or Gog) was the ancestor of the Scythians, who
also originally inhabited the Black Sea area.424

Saints Ephraim the Syrian425 , John Chrysostom426 and Theodoretus 427
understand by Gog and Magog the peoples who oppressed the Jews soon
after their return from exile in Babylon, or Antiochus Epiphanes and his
armies.

"Some think,” writes St. Andrew of Caesarea, “that Gog and Magog are
the distant peoples of the Scythians, or, as we call them, the Huns, the most
warlike and numerous of all the peoples of the earth. Only by the Divine right
hand are they held back from taking control of the whole earth until the
liberation of the devil. Others, translating from the Hebrew, say that 'Gog'
signifies 'meeting' or 'assembly', and 'Magog' - 'raised' or 'exaltation'. One
must know that Ezekiel prophesied concerning these peoples, that they shall
come in the last days with great power and fall on the land of Israel; and
their weapons, because of their great number, will burn for seven years.
 
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It is possible to assert this, first, because nowhere in
the sacred books is there mention of wars of the Jews with the Scythians, only
of wars with neighbouring peoples who envied their modern enrichment;
secondly, because it is written concerning Gog that he will be prepared from
ancient times and will come in the last times; and thirdly, because in this
revelation foretelling the future (Revelation ch. 20) it is said that Gog and
Magog will come at the end of the age."

St. Jerome writes: “The word Magog is used for the first time in the Book of
Genesis (10.2). It is one of the sons of Japheth. In the prophecy of Ezekiel there
is mention of Gog and Magog; from there these names have been transferred
to the Apocalypse with the same meanings with which they were understood
by Ezekiel, but with a different denotation. Gog in Ezekiel is represented as a
glorious and terrible conqueror who invades the land of the people of Israel
with a large army (38.15-16)… God was a weapon of the wrath of God against
Israel, but then because of his cruelty and impiety was also made an object of
revenge of the wrath of God. The word Magog meant either the land, or the
people, commanded by Gog… From the Apocalypse it is evident that
prophecies sometimes referred, in the same words, also to the judgement of
God on the impiety of the last times in the existence of the world, the time of
the coming, kingdom and dominion of the last Antichrist. Gog has always
been understood to refer to a savage and warlike ruler commanding a
numerous army of warriors of various races who tramples on the laws of God,
a bloodthirsty evildoer, an enemy of God, the faith and the Church and the
worship of God. Gog is the Antichrist; Magog – his army. Gog means one
who gathers, and Magog – a gathering of the peoples.”428
 

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St. Jerome interprets the words Rhos, Mosoch and Thobel to mean "head",
"insanity" and "universal", respectively.429 The fact that the Rhos of Ezekiel’s
prophecy () is spelt, in Greek, exactly the same as the word for “Russia”,
has naturally led many people to identify Gog and Magog with Russia and its
allies,
Soviet Russia (and its neo-Soviet successor) being indeed “the head of
universal insanity”. This supposition is strengthened by the fact that Gog and
Magog are said to come from the extreme north, which can only mean Russia,
and in the last times.430


428 St. Jerome, Interpretation of the Apocalypse, 20.7.

429 St. Jerome, Commentary on Ezekiel, 454; P.L. XXV.
 

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431 Bishop Ignatius Brianchaninov writes: “In the 38th and 39th chapters of the Prophet Ezekiel
is described the power and numerousness of a northern people called Ross; this people must
attain a huge level of material development before the end of the world, and by its end will
bring to an end the history of the wandering of the human race on earth, A reference is made
to these chapters of Ezekiel in the 20th chapter of the Apocalypse…” (Letter to N.N.
Muraviev-Karsky, May 14, 1863; in Fomin and Fomina, vol. II, p. 551) (in Russian).
 

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I podignućeš se na moj narod Izrailja kao oblak da pokriješ zemlju, u poslednje vreme dovešću te na zemlju svoju da me poznadu narodi kad se posvetim u tebi pred njima, Gože!
Ostaje jos jedno vrlo vazno pitanje: kojem vremenu pripada ovaj Boziji narod Izrailja? Je li to Boziji narod prije Hrista ili od Hrista?

Ako je to vrijeme prije Hrista, onda se to prorostvo ostvarilo nad starozavjetnim Izrailjem, ako li je vrijeme poslije Hrista, onda je taj narod Izrailja novozavjetni Izrailj, hriscani!
 
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Брате Петко, шта кажеш на пророштва светог Јеронима, подебљана су црвеним словима?

Да чујем!

А погледај како се СВЕ слаже са пророштвом светог Серафима Саровског:

Jesus Christ, the true God-man, the Son of God the Father by the descent of
the Holy Spirit, was born in Israel, while the true antichrist-man-god will be
born amidst the Slavs and Russians. He will be the son of a virgin adulteress
of the tribe of Dan and the son of the devil through the artificial transfer to
her of male seed, with which the spirit of darkness will dwell together in her
womb. But one of the Russians who will live to the birth of the Antichrist
will, like Simeon the God-receiver, who blessed the Child Jesus and
announced His nativity to the world, curse the antichrist at his birth and will
announce to the world that he is the true antichrist.

+St. Seraphim of Sarov (+1833).
 

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Ostaje jos jedno vrlo vazno pitanje: kojem vremenu pripada ovaj Boziji narod Izrailja? Je li to Boziji narod prije Hrista ili od Hrista?

Ako je to vrijeme prije Hrista, onda se to prorostvo ostvarilo nad starozavjetnim Izrailjem, ako li je vrijeme poslije Hrista, onda je taj narod Izrailja novozavjetni Izrailj, hriscani!
Наравно да се односи на нови Израиљ.
 

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Они који се налазе ван Цркве (јеретици), могли би се спасити само у случају да се спасао неко од оних који су се налазили ван Нојевог ковчега.
+Св. Кипријан Картагенски+


„Нема сумње, ван Цркве је онај који не држи веру Цркве". (ПРЕПОДОБНИ ЈУСТИН ЋЕЛИЈСКИ, ДОГМАТИКА ПРАВОСЛАВНЕ ЦРКВЕ)
 

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