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Najbolji lovac na pacifickom bojistu

Koji je najbolji lovac na pacifiku?

  • Micubisi A6M Zero

    glasova: 4 33,3%
  • Mitsubishi JM2 Jack

    glasova: 0 0,0%
  • Nakajima Ki-43 Oscar

    glasova: 0 0,0%
  • Kawasaki Ki-61 Tony

    glasova: 0 0,0%
  • Jak

    glasova: 1 8,3%
  • La-7

    glasova: 0 0,0%
  • Bell P-39

    glasova: 1 8,3%
  • Lokid P-38

    glasova: 3 25,0%
  • P-47

    glasova: 1 8,3%
  • Hellcat

    glasova: 2 16,7%

  • Ukupno glasova
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  • Anketa je zatvorena .

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evo malo o japanskim avionima:



Allied Codename: Zero or Zeke

Type: Single Seat Fighter Interceptor & Fighter Bomber

Powerplant: One 1,130 hp (843 kw) Nakajima Sakae 31 14-cylinder radial piston engine.

Performance: Maximum speed 346 mph (557 km/h) at 19,685 ft (6000 m); cruising speed 204 mph (323 km); service ceiling 35,105 ft (10700 m).

Range: 1,118 miles (1800 km) on internal fuel stores.

Weight: Empty 4,175 lbs (1894 kg) with a maximum take-off weight of 6,504 lbs (2950 kg).

Dimensions: Span 36 ft 1 in (11.00 m); length 29 ft 9 in (9.07 m); height 11 ft 5 3/4 in (3.50 m); wing area 229.28 sq ft (21.30 sq m).

Armament: Three 13.2 mm (0.52 in) machine guns (one in the upper fuselage decking and two wing mounted) and two wing mounted 20 mm Type 99 cannon, plus underwing launch rails for eight 22 lbs (10 kg) or two 132 lbs (60 kg) air to air rockets.

Variants: A6M1, A6M2, A6M3, A6M4 (prototype), A6M5, A6M5a, A6M5b, A6M5c, A6M5d-S (night fighter), A6M5-K (two seat trainer), A6M6, A6M7, A6M8a, A6M8b, A6M8c (Two models were produced but the war ended before production could commence).

Operators: Japanese Navy, China (a small number of captured aircraft).
 

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Ki-43

Allied Codename: Oscar

Type: Single Seat Fighter & Fighter Bomber

Powerplant: One 1,150 hp (858 kw) Nakajima Ha-115 14-cylinder radial piston engine.

Performance: Maximum speed 329 mph (530 km/h) at 13,125 ft (400 m); cruising speed 273 mph (440 km/h); service ceiling 36,745 ft (11200 m).

Range: 1,988 miles (3200 km) with external fuel stores.

Weight: Empty 4,211 lbs (1910 kg) with a maximum take-off weight of 5,710 lbs (2590 kg).

Dimensions: Span 35 ft 6 3/4 in (10.84 m); length 29 ft 3 1/4 in (8.92 m); height 10 ft 8 3/4 in (3.27 m); wing area 230.36 sq ft (21.40 sq m).

Armament: Two 12.7 mm (0.50 in) forward firing machine guns, plus two bombs up to 551 lbs (250 kg) in weight on underwing racks.

Variants: Ki-43 (prototype), Ki-43-1a (Army type I Fighter Model 1A Hayabusa production aircraft) , Ki-43-1b, Ki-43-1c, Ki-43-II (five prototypes for evaluation), Ki-43-11a (production aircraft), Ki-43-11b, Ki-43-11 KAI, Ki-43-111a (prototype with a more powerful engine), Ki-43-111b (proposed interceptor with only cannon but it never entered service).

Operators: Japanese Army, Thailand.
 

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Micubishi J2M raiden



Allied Codename: Jack

Type: Single Seat Fighter Interceptor

Powerplant: One 1,820 hp (1357 kw) Mitsubishi MK4R-A Kasei 23a 14-cylinder radial pistion engine.

Performance: Maximum speed 371 mph (597 km/h) at 19,360 ft (5900 m); cruising speed 219 mph (352 km/h) at 9,840 ft (3000 m); service ceiling 38,385 ft (11770 m).

Range: 655 miles (1055 km) on internal fuel stores.

Weight: Empty 5,423 lbs (2460 kg) with a maximum take-off weight of 8,695 lbs (3945 kg).

Dimensions: Span 35 ft 5 1/4 in (10.80 m); length 32 ft 7 3/4 in (9.95 m); height 12 ft 11 1/2 in (3.95 m); wing area 215.82 sq ft (20.05 sq m).

Armament: Four wing mounted 20 mm cannon (comprising two Type 99 Model 1 and two Type 99 Model 2), plus two 132 lbs (60 kg) bombs or two 44 Imperial gallon (200 litre) drop tanks on external racks.

Variants: J2M1 (prototype), J2M2 (Navy Interceptor Fighter Raiden Model II), J2M3, J2M3a, J2M4 Model 34 (prototype), J2M5 (prototype designation), J2M5a, J2M6 (single experimental aircraft), J2M6a/J2M7/J2M7a (were proposed but never built).

Operators: Japanese Navy.


Specification of J2M5 Raiden Model 33


Powerplant: One Mitsubishi MK4U-4 Kasei 26a 14-cylinder radial air-cooled engine rated at 1820 hp for takeoff, with military rating of 1510 hp at 9185 feet, 1400 hp at 22,310 feet, and 1310 hp at 23,925 feet.

Performance: Maximum speed 382 mph at 22,310 feet. Normal cruising speed 230 mph. Normal range 783 miles. An altitude of 19,685 feet could be reached in 6 minutes 20 seconds. Service ceiling 36,910 feet.

Fuel Capacity: 85 Imp gall in wing tanks, 26 Imp gall in fuselage tanks.

Weights: 5534 pounds empty, 7646 pounds normal loaded.

Dimensions: Wingspan 35 feet 5 1/4 inches, length 32 feet 7 17/32 inches, height 12 feet 11 1/4 inches, wing area 215.82 square feet.

Armament: Two 20-mm Type 99 Model 1 cannon and two 20-mm Type 99 Model 2 cannon with 200 rpg. Underwing loads of two 66-lb or two 132-lb bombs could be carried. Alternatively, one 44-Imp gall drop tank could be carried on the centerline.
 

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Kawasaki Ki-61 Hien





Allied Codename: Tony

Type: Single Seat Fighter Interceptor

Powerplant: One 1,175 hp (876 kw) Kawasaki Ha-40 12-cylinder inverted Vee engine.

Performance: Maximum speed 348 mph (560 km/h) at 16,405 ft (5000 m); service ceiling 32,810 ft (10000 m).

Range: 1,181 miles (1900 km) with internal fuel stores.

Weight: Empty 5,798 lbs (2630 kg) with a maximum take-off weight of 7,650 lbs (3470 kg).

Dimensions: Span 39 ft 4 1/4 in (12.00 m); length 29 ft 4 1/4 in (8.95 m); height 12 ft 1 3/4 in (3.70 m); wing area 215.59 sq ft (20.00 sq m).

Armament: Two fuselage mounted 12.7 mm (0.50 in) machine guns and two wing mounted 20 mm Ho-5 cannon of Japanese design and manufacture. All versions had provisions for underwing drop tanks, but Ki-61-Ic and all Ki-64-II's could carry two 551 lbs (250 kg) bombs in place of the drop tanks.

Variants: Ki-61 (12 initial prototypes), Ki-61-I (Army Type 3 Fighter Model 1), Ki-61-Ia (wing mounted cannon instead of machine guns), Ki-61-Ib (four 12.7 mm (0.50 in) machine guns), Ki-61-Ic, Ki-61-Id (two 30 mm cannon instead of the two 20 mm cannon), Ki-61-II (eight prototypes), Ki-61-II KAI, Ki-61-IIa, Ki-61-IIb (four 20 mm Ho-5 cannon), Ki-61-III (proposed prototype but the destruction of the Akashi engine factory ended any further progress).

Operators: Japanese Army.
 

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Americki lovci:


Bell P-39
Ovde ga vidimo sa Ruskim oznakama, Rusi su ga obozavali, a A. pokriskin je na njemu oborio 39 nemackih lovaca

Najinteresantnije je sto je imao redni motor ispod i malo iza kabine, a prenosio se obrtaj osovinom do elise, to je uradjeno zbog topcine 37 mm u nosu aviona, koju su Rusi obozaavali a amerikanci nisu znali sta sa njom da rade. i imao je stajni trap tricikl.


Type: Single Seat Fighter

Design: R.J. Woods & O.L. Woodson

Manufacturer: Bell Aircraft Corporation

Powerplant: (P-39M) One 1,200 hp (895 kW) Allison V-1710-83 inline piston engine. (P-39L) One 1,325 hp (988 kW) Allison V-1710-63 12-cylinder Vee piston engine. (P-39J) One 1,100 hp (820 kW) V-1710-59 engine with automatic boost control.

Performance: Maximum speed 386 mph (621 km/h) at 9,500 ft (2895 m); cruising speed 200 mph (322 km/h); service ceiling 36,000 ft (10970 m); initial climb rate 4,000 ft (1220 m) per minute.

Range: 650 miles (1046 km) on internal fuel. Ferry range with droptank while cruising at 160 mph (256 km/h) 1,475 miles (2360 km).

Weight: Empty 5,610 lbs (2545 kg) with a maximum take-off weight of 8,400 lbs (3810 kg).

Dimensions: Span 34 ft 0 in (10.36 m); length 30 ft 2 in (9.19 m); height 11 ft 10 in (3.61 m); wing area 213 sq ft (19.79 sq m).

Armament: One 37 mm T9 cannon with 30 rounds (twice as many as some earlier variants), two synchronised 12.7 mm (0.50 in) Colt-Browning machine guns and four 7.62 mm (0.30 in) machine guns in outer wing, plus provision for one 500 lbs (227 kg) bomb. British Airacobras used a 20 mm Hispano cannon in place of the 37 mm cannon.

Variants: XP-39, YP-39, P-39C, P-39D, P-39D Export, XP-39E (Continental engine), P-39F, P-39G, P-39K, P-39L, P-39M, P-39N, P-39Q, British Airacobra (P-400).

Avionics: IFF (Identification Friend or Foe).

History: First flight of XP-39 April 1939; (P-39F to M sub-types) 1942; final batch (P-39Q) May 1944.

Operators: France, Italy (CB), Portugal, Soviet Union, United Kingdom (RAF briefly), United States (USAAF & USN).
 

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Lockeed P-38 Lightning




Type: Single Seat Long Range Escort Fighter

Design: Hall L. Hibbard & Clarence "Kelly" Johnson (Johnson would later go on to design the SR-71 Blackbird)

Manufacturer: Lockheed Aircraft Corporation

Powerplant: (P-38E) Two 1,150 hp (858 kw) Allison V-1710-27/29 inline piston engines. (P-38F) Two 1,325 hp (988 kW) Allison V-1710-49/53 engines. (P-38G) Two 1,325 hp (988 kW) Allison V-1710-51/55 (F10) engines but was limited 1,150 hp (857 kW) at 27,000 ft (8229 m) due to inadequate cooling. (P-38H) Two 1,425 hp (1063 kW) Allison V-1710-89/91 engines. The P-38H was fitted with automatic oil radiator flaps in order to solve a chronic engine overheating problem and enable military power above 25,000 ft (7620 m) to be increased from 1,150 hp (858 kW) to 1,240 hp (925 kW). (P-38J) Two 1,425 hp (1063 kw) Allison V-1710-89/91 inline piston engines (higher rated due to an improved cooling system). Under war emergency conditions 1,600 hp (1193 kW) was available at altitude. (P-38K) Two 1,425 hp (1063 kW Allison) V-1710-751-75/77 engines. (P-38L) Two 1,475 hp (1100 kW) Allison V-1710-111/113 engines. (F-Series) 1,150 hp (858 kW) V-1710-21/29 engines.

Performance: Maximum speed 414 mph (666 km/h) at 25,000 ft (7620 m); cruising speed 290 mph (467 km/h); service ceiling 44,000 ft (13410 m): initial rate of climb 2,850 ft/min (870 m/min).

Range: 475 miles (764 km) at 339 mph (545 km/h) at 25,000 ft (7620 m). Maximum range was 2260 miles (3638 km) at 186 mph (299 km/h) at 10,000 ft (3048 m) with two 250 Imp gallon drop tanks.

Weight: Empty 12,780 lbs (5797 kg), Normal 17,500 lbs (7936 kg) with a maximum take-off weight of 21,600 lbs (9798 kg).

Dimensions: Span 52 ft 0 in (15.85 m); length 37 ft 10 in (11.53 m); height 9 ft 10 in (3.00 m); wing area 327.5 sq ft (30.42 sq m).

Armament: One 20 mm Hispano M2(C) cannon with 150 rounds plus four 12.7 mm (0.50 in) Colt-Browning MG 53-2 machine guns with 500 rounds per gun. In addition two 500 lbs (227 kg), 1,000 lbs (454 kg), or 1600 lbs (726 kg) bombs or ten five-inch rockets could be carried on underwing racks.

Variants: XP-38 (prototype 23 mm cannon), XP-38 Model 121 (pre-production 37 mm cannon), XP-38 Model 122 (first 30 production aircraft), P-38D (37 mm cannon), P-38E (20 mm cannon), P-38F (USAAF), P-38G (USAAF), P-38J (Some "J" models where modified to pathfinders), P-38L, P-38M (night fighter), TP-38L (two seat trainer version). Identifiers "B" and "C" where allocated but never materialized.

Avionics: (P-38E) SCR-274N radio, (P-38F) SCR-525 and SCR-522 radio, (P-36G) SCR-274N radio and A-9 oxygen equipment, (P-38J bomber) Norden bombsight or a "Mickey" BTO (Bombing Through Overcast) bombing radar. (P-38J night fighter) AN/APS-4 radar in a pod underneath the starboard wing. (P-38M) SCR-540 radar with yagi antennae. (P-38M Two Seater) AN/APS-6 radar in an external radome underneath the nose.

History: First flight (XP-38) 27 January 1939; (YP-38) 16 September 1940; service delivery (USAAC P-38) 8 June 1941; (F-4) March 1942; (P-38F) September 1942; final delivery September 1945.

Operators: France, United States (USAAC & USAAF), United Kingdom (RAF briefly).
 

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P-47 Thunderbolt



Type: Single Seat Escort Fighter & Fighter Bomber

Design: Chief Designer Alexander Kartveli

Manufacturer: Republic Aviation Corporation

Powerplant: (P-47B) One 2,000 hp (1492 kW) Pratt & Whitney R-2800-21 radial engine. (P-47C and most D models) One 2,300 hp (1715 kW) Pratt & Whitney R-2800-59 radial engine. (P-47M and N) One 2,800 hp (2088 kw) Pratt & Whitney R-2800-75 or -77 18-cylinder radial engine with a CH-5 turbocharger.

Performance: Maximum speed 467 mph (752 km/h) at 32,500 ft (9905 m); cruising speed 300 mph (483 km/h); service ceiling 43,000 ft (13105 m); initial rate of climb typically 2,800 ft/min (855 m/min).

Range: 800 miles (1287 km) on internal tanks. Maximum range with drop tanks 2,350 miles (3800 km)

Weight: Empty 11,000 lbs (4990 kg) with a maximum take-off weight of 20,700 lbs (9389 kg).

Dimensions: Span 42 ft 7 in (12.98 m); length 36 ft 1 in (11.0 m); height 14 ft 7 in (4.44 m); wing area 322 sq ft (29.91 sq m).

Armament: (All except M) Eight 12.7 mm (0.50 in) Colt-Browning M-2 machine guns in the wings. (P-47M) Six 12.7 mm (0.50 in) Colt-Browning M-2 machine guns in the wings. (P-47D and N) Three to five external racks for up to 2,500 lbs (1134 kg) of bombs, napalm, or ten 5 inch (127mm) rockets.

Variants: XP-47 (AP-4), XP-47A (AP-10), XP-47B, P-47B, P-47C, P-47D, XP-47D, XP-47F, P-47G, XP-47H, XP-47J, XP-47K, XP-47L, YP-47M, P-47M, XP-47N, P-47N, .

Avionics: (P-47C) CR-274-N command set and SCR-515-A radio.

History: First flight (XP-47B) 6 May 1941; production delivery (P-47B) 18 March 1942; final delivery (P-47N) September 1945.

Operators: Australia (RAAF), Brazil, Free French Forces, Mexico (Fuerza Aerea Expedicionaria Mexicana), United Kingdom (RAF), Soviet Union, United States (USAAF).
 

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F6F Hellcat




Type: Single Seat Carrier Based Fighter / Fighter Bomber

Design: Grumman Design Team

Manufacturer: Grumman Aircraft Engineering Corporation

Powerplant: (F6F-3) One 2,000 hp (1491 kw) Pratt & Whitney R-2800-10 Double Wasp radial piston engine. (F6F-5) One 2,000 hp (1491 kw) Pratt & Whitney R-2800-10W Double Wasp radial piston engine or 2,200 hp (1641 kW) using water injection.

Performance: Maximum speed 380 mph (612 km/h) at 23,400 ft (7130 m); cruising speed 168 mph (270 km/h); service ceiling 37,300 ft (11370 m); initial climb rate of 2,980 ft (908 m) per minute.

Range: 1,530 miles (2462 km) with a 150 US gallon (568 litre) drop tank.

Weight: Empty 9,153 lbs (4152 kg) with a maximum take-off weight of 15,413 lbs (6991 kg).

Dimensions: Span 42 ft 10 in (13.06 m); length 33 ft 7 in (10.24 m); height 13 ft 6 in (4.11 m); wing area 334 sq ft (31.03 sq m).

Armament: Six 12.7 mm (0.50 in) machine guns with 400 rounds per gun. Some -5N and -5 models had two machine guns replaced with 20 mm cannon), and two 1,000 lbs (454 kg) bombs or six 5 in (127 mm) rocket projectiles.

Variants: XF6F-1 (prototype - with a two stage turbocharged 1,700 hp (1268 kw) Wright R-2600-10 Cyclone14), XF6F-2 (prototype - with a turbocharged R-2600-16), XF6F-3 (prototype with two stage turbocharged 2,000 hp (1491 kw) Pratt & Whitney R-2800-10 Double Wasp), XF6F-4 (prototype with the R-2800-27 and two speed turbocharger), XF6F-3 (first production aircraft), XF6F-3E (night fighter with APS-4 radar mounted in a pod beneath the starboard wing), XF6F-3N (night fighter with the APS-6 radar), XF6F-5 (final upgraded production aircraft), XF6F-6 (prototype of which only two were built), XF6F-5K (post war target drone).

Avionics: (F6F-3E) APS-6 radar. (F6F-3N) APS-6 radar.

History: First flight (R-2600 engine) 20 June 1942; (the same plane with R-2800 engine) 30 July 1942; (production F6F-3) 4 October 1942; production delivery (F6F-3) 16 January 1943; final delivery November 1945.

Operators: United Kingdom (RN), United States (USMC, USN).
 

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Ruski:


Jak-9:




Type: Single Seat Fighter

Design: Aleksandr Sergeyevich Yakolev

Manufacturer: State Industries

Powerplant: One 1,260 hp (940 kw) Klimov M-105PF 12-cylinder Vee liquid cooled engine.

Performance: Maximum speed 372 mph (600 km/h) at 11,482 ft (3500 m); service ceiling 32,894 ft (10000 m).

Range: 825 miles (1330 km) on internal fuel.

Weight: Empty 6,108 lbs (2770 kg) with a maximum take-off weight of 6,792 lbs (3080 kg).

Dimensions: Span 32 ft 10 in (10.00 m); length 24 ft 11 in (8.50 m); height 9 ft 10 in (3.00 m); wing area 188.3 sq ft (17.50 sq m).

Armament: One 20 mm ShVAK cannon with 100 rounds and two 12.7 mm (0.50 in) UBS machine guns with 250 rounds each plus two 220 lbs (100 kg) bombs.

Variants: Yak-9D, Yak-9M (one additional machine gun), Yak-9B (capable of carrying 883 lbs (400 kg) of bombs), Yak-9T (one 37 mm Nudelmann-Suranov cannon for anti-tank operations), Yak-9K (45 mm cannon), Yak-9DD (increased range), Yak-9MPVO, Yak-9U (one Klimov 1,650 hp (1230 kw) M-107A and a redesigned airframe), Yak-9UT, Yak-9UV, Yak-9R, Yak-9PD, Yak-9P (late and post war production).

Operators: Soviet Union, Bulgaria, Poland, Yugoslavia, Free French Forces.
 

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La-7:




Type: Single Seat Interceptor Fighter

Design: Semyon Alexseyevich Lavochkin

Manufacturer: State Industries

Powerplant: One 1,850 hp (1380 kw) Shvetsov M-82FN (Ash-82FN) 14-cylinder radial, air cooled engine.

Performance: Maximum speed 413 mph (665 km/h) at 16,447 ft (5000 m); service ceiling 35,435 ft (10800 m).

Range: 395 miles (635 km) on internal fuel.

Weight: Empty 5,816 lbs (2638 kg) with a maximum take-off weight of 7,496 lbs (3400 kg).

Dimensions: Span 32 ft 1 3/4 in (9.80 m); length 28 ft 2 1/2 in (8.60 m); height 8 ft 4 in (2.54 m); wing area 188.37 sq ft (17.50 sq m).

Armament: Three 20 mm Beresin B-20 (faster firing) ShVak cannon with 200 rounds per gun plus two 220 lbs (100 kg) bombs. Underwing racks could accept up to six RS-82 rockets.

Variants: La-7 (prototype and production), La-7UTI (two seat trainer), La-7R (equipped with booster rocket), La-7TK (improved high performance), La-126 (experimental).

Operators: Soviet Union.
 

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1945 godine u mandzurskoj ofanzivi SSSR je napao Japan i za tri nedelje skrsio japansku Kvantunsku Armiju koja je brojala 1,200,000 vojnika. Naravno, Ruje su dovukle prekaljene borce sa evropskog fronta gde su se Nemci predali.
U borbama La-7 je briljirao nad Japancima, Oscar i raiden tipovima, Zero gotovo da vise nije ni bilo.

Ivace najveca mana Zeroa j bila sto nije imao oklopnu zastitu!


Naime, pogledjte njegov motor:

One 1,130 hp (843 kw) Nakajima Sakae 31 14-cylinder radial piston engine.

prema La-7:

Powerplant: One 1,850 hp (1380 kw) Shvetsov M-82FN (Ash-82FN) 14-cylinder radial, air cooled engine.

i performanse:

Zero:

Performance: Maximum speed 346 mph (557 km/h) at 19,685 ft (6000 m); cruising speed 204 mph (323 km); service ceiling 35,105 ft (10700 m).

La-7:

Performance: Maximum speed 413 mph (665 km/h) at 16,447 ft (5000 m); service ceiling 35,435 ft (10800 m).

Za 100 km/h La-7 sisa Zeroa!

Inace, manevarski nadmocan nad zapadnim avionima, ali samo do pojave Hellcat-a, Zero je ostvario zamo zahvaljujuci maloj masi:

Weight: Empty 4,175 lbs (1894 kg) with a maximum take-off weight of 6,504 lbs (2950 kg).

A recimo pocetni Americki P-40:

Weight: Empty 6,200 lbs (2812 kg) with a maximum take-off weight of 8,850 lbs (4014 kg).

jasno je da je tajna bila u manevru, ali kako?
kada su ispitali oboreni zero u letu, amerikanci su bili zadivljeni manavarskim mogucnostima, ali kada su ga rastavili shvatili su da nema ni jedna oklopne ploce, ni da stiti pilota ni rezervoare!
Japanci su jednostavno napravili lagani avion sa slabim motorom. Konstruktor Zeroa, Hirokosi je godinama trazio da dozvole jaci motor za avion, ali masovna produkcija i samurajska logika nisu dozvoljavali, tek kasnije varijante su dobile jaci motor, ali bilo je kasno, pojavili su se Hellcat-i, Corsair-i, Mustanzi...
 

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Ma ta ruska kampanja na kraju rata vise nije imala nekog velikog uticaja, japanci su vec bili gotovi. Mislim da nije fer ubacivati ruse u trku za najboljeg lovca na pacifiku, a ne uzeti u obzir recimo Raidena, Hiena, Corsaira, Mustanga i jos ponekog, ne mogu sad iz glave da se setim.
 

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Pjer_Nis:
Ma ta ruska kampanja na kraju rata vise nije imala nekog velikog uticaja, japanci su vec bili gotovi. Mislim da nije fer ubacivati ruse u trku za najboljeg lovca na pacifiku, a ne uzeti u obzir recimo Raidena, Hiena, Corsaira, Mustanga i jos ponekog, ne mogu sad iz glave da se setim.
Imas Raidena i Hiena.

Ruska kampanja bila je od odlucujuceg znacaja za kapitulaciju japana.
Kampanje je pocela juna 1945 godine.
Preko 2,000,000 vojnika prekaljenih u borbi u Evropi u potpunoj tajnosti je mesec dana putovalo do dalekog istoka. Japanci su bili daleko od kapitulacije i pored atumske bombe, jer jednostavno nisu hteli da se predaju i zeleli su da se bore do zadnjeg.
U Mandzuriji Japan je imao Kvantunsku Armniju od 1,200,000 vojnika. Verovao je da su planine na sevru i mocvare na istoku neprolazne za oklpopne snage.
Sa druge strane Rusi su banuli preko planina s atenkovima. Korristili su T-34 da uzbrdo rusi guste sume, iza je isla inzinjerija i od tih stabala pravila puteve za KV i IS tenkove, topove i kamione. Na istoku Rusi su preko mocvara prenosili na rukama tenkove, uspeli su da munjeviti ulete u Koreju i da bukvalno sacekaju da se Amerikanci iskrcaju po dogovoru, za tri nedelje, teritorija velicine zapadne Evrope je bila po Ruskom kontrolom. Japanci su se predali kada su Rusi zapretili desantom na Hokaido. Naime, usklopu operacije, Rusi su zauzeli juzni sahalin i izvrsili iskrcavanje marinaca na Kurilska ostrva, sveka 100 km udaljena od glavnih ostrva .Japanci su se predali Amerikancima da bi izbegli da budu pod Ruskom okupacijom.

Seti se koji je razlog bio za atomsku bombu "Sracunali smo da bi smo izgubili 300,000 vojnika u borbama za Japan" nisu mogli da izdrze te gubitke. Naime i kod Amerikanaca je doslo do zamora materijala i ljudstva, Amerikanci nikada ne bi zauzeli Tokijo. Seti se Korejskog rata samo pet godina kasnije kada su Kinezi i Korejanci potukli MakArtura do nogu.
A za Ruse, da li bi bio problem da izgube i 500,000 vojnika? ne bi
 

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Ma dobro, ali kada se kaze rat na Pacifiku, obicno se misli na Pearl Harbour / Gvadalcanal / Midway / Iwo Jima / Hiroshima. I sve izmedju. Eventualno Burma.
Uticaj ruske avijacije, pogotovu lovacke, u poslednjih par meseci rata, kada japanska avijacija jedva da je postojala, se ne moze nazvati znacajnim, i ja bih ruske avione izbacio odavde. To je naravno moje misljenje.

PS, da za Hien, nisam lepo pogledao
 

Alekasandar2

Iskusan
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Ja sam rekao "Najznacajniji lovac" ne uticaj na razvoj situacije. Radi se o tome koji je najbolji lovac.


Evo izvoda o mandzurijskoj ofanzivi:
As a result of the Russians' meticulous planning and
bold offensive plan, they took 594,000 Japanese prisoners
including 143 generals and 20,000 wounded. The Kwangtung
Army suffered over 80,000 men and officers killed in combat
which lasted less than two weeks. In contrast, the well-
prepared Soviet Army had 8,219 killed and 22,264 wounded.
[13-175]
The lessons to be learned from this closing chapter to
World War II are many indeed. Foremost in one's mind must
be the adaptability and boldness demonstrated by the Soviets
as well as the high degree of initiative shown by commanders
at all levels during the campaign. The Soviet war machine
had matured. It developed a combined-arms army concept
which relied on armored units at every unit level as the
spearhead of the offensive thrust and heavy concentrations
of artillery. Tactical surprise, a key element to their
rapid success, was achieved despite the enormous volume of
supplies, equipment and men moved forward to the border
regions. The Soviet planners were aucacious and imaginative
in their utilization of multiple axes of advance through the
worst terrain to maneuver hundreds of thousands of men and
machines. They task-organized their forces to accomplish
their assigned missions in different terrain against varying
degrees of enemy opposition. The Manchurian campaign was
characterized by its gigantic scale, use of large formations
and extensive employment of amphibious and airborne troops.
[7-7] As Raymond Garthoff stated, "to mount such a campaign
after being bled for four years in Europe represented a
major achievement." [7-61]
This achievement should be studied closely by present
day war-planners and tacticians to avoid the danger of
underestimating Soviet military capability. The deception
techniques and offensive combined-arms tactics begun by
General Zhukov at Nomonhan and refined by Marshal Vasilevsky
in the Far East offer a case study in which modern Soviet
Army tactics can be studied. With the exception of new
weapons, notably long range missiles and nuclear weapons,
today's Soviet tactics are very similar to those used in
Manchuria. Indeed, the predecessor of the Soviet
Operational Maneuver Group (OMG) was the Front army and
mobile detachments of this very campaign. Today's OMG is
designed to penetrate deep into rear areas, destroy command,
control and logistic centers, encircle and destroy enemy
forces and capture or destroy vital areas. With the absence
of any peace-time Soviet or Warsaw Bloc exercise on such a
gigantic scale, "The 1945 attack on the Kwangtung Army with
its ten-day capitulation provides a classic of contemporary
Soviet military thinking." [15-160]


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1986/RMF.htm
 

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