Iskustva bliske smrti (NDE)

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iskustva muslimana i krscanke o iskustvima bliske smrti kad dusa izadje iz tijela, i sta doktor kaze za to

Iskustva bliske smrti su jedno od najjacih empirijskih dokaza da zivot nastavlja poslije smrti iz razloga sto se tu potvrdjuje da svijest izlazi iz tijela i moze da nastaviti zivjeti bez tijela, dusa koja izadje iz tijela iako smrt jos nije nastupila, dusa koja moze da vidi, cuje, osjeti...je dokaz da covjek nije samo tijelo, nego tijelo i dusa, DUsa koristi tijelo kao prevozno sredstvo u materijalno svijetu , kako bi tijelo moglo imati interakciju sa materijom. Dusa kad udje u tijelo prikopca se na organe tijela, pa gleda kroz oci, ako je oko defektno dusa ne mzoe da vidi, i ta osoba je slijepa, ali kada dusa izadje iz tijela moze da vidi komotno bez problema okolinu, dokaz za ovo je osoba koja od rodjenja slijepa dozivjela klinicku smrt, iskustvo bliske smrti, gdje joj je dusa izasla iz tijela i rekla je da je tada tek progledala i mogla da vidi sta se desava, puno se prepala jer to je prvi put bilo da je mogla da vidi, jako joj je cudno bilo, vidjela je kako neko spasava zenu ambulanta koja je tek pristigla, i na osnovu kose i mustre prstena na ruci koje je vidjela kod te zene shvatila da je to ona u stvari.
 
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puno je neiskrenih ljudi na forumu, a to ti je i dokaz, ni cijeli vidio nije pogledao a vec komentarisu :mrgreen: :hahaha:ma ajdeee breee

video je o muslimanskom krscanskom iskustvu iskustva bliske smrti, sa hadisima poslanika o Raju koji potvrdjiva one stvari o kojima oni govore, plus na kraju zidovski Rabbin intervjuise DOktora koji izucava Iskustva Bliske smrti.
 
puno je neiskrenih ljudi na forumu, a to ti je i dokaz, ni cijeli vidio nije pogledao a vec komentarisu :mrgreen: :hahaha:ma ajdeee breee

video je o muslimanskom krscanskom iskustvu iskustva bliske smrti, sa hadisima poslanika o Raju koji potvrdjiva one stvari o kojima oni govore, plus na kraju zidovski Rabbin intervjuise DOktora koji izucava Iskustva Bliske smrti.
Ako pogledam ceo video promenicu misljenje?axaxa
 
The tunnel brought him to a large room with arched windows and stained glass. It was also permeating with that same warm, loving light. Then Schiefer says a gentleman approached him and said he didn't belong there — that he had to leave. He walked out through giant oak doors into an even more serene scene.

"I remember going through the doors and it took me out into a golden city, and it was absolutely stunning," says Schiefer.

When he first described the city to his daughter Lisa, he said it was like Paris, but more beautiful, more pristine. He says the grass in the parks was a deeper green than anything on earth.

"And I've been to the highlands of Scotland," Schiefer says.

...
When she offered up that it was probably a dream or hallucination from the heavy medication that didn't sit right with Schiefer.

"My dreams were foggy. And my hallucinations were just stupid. I saw nine dancing panda bears on the ceiling," Schiefer says. "But this was so real. I was there. I was involved with my environment and I felt so much peace and love and acceptance. More than I have ever felt before."


https://www.npr.org/2022/07/25/1112563553/near-death-experience-research
 
Five Stories of Near Death Experiences

Near Death Experience Story One: Finding Dentures

In a 2001 study by renowned cardiologist Pim van Lommel, a man who had been in a deep coma later told a nurse that he recognized her. He told her that he saw where she had placed his dentures during resuscitation efforts, and then described the cart where she placed them. They were there, precisely as he described it.

Near Death Experience Story Two: A Child Meets Relatives
One man who had an NDE as a child recalled the experience of meeting dead relatives:
“There were some presences there. There were some ladies… I didn’t know them at the time… They were so loving and so wonderful, and I just didn’t want to come back… I didn’t see any pictures of them until I was an adult, but then I said, ‘Oh, yeah.’… They were my great-grandmothers who had died years before I was born.”

Near Death Experience Story Three: Life-Review
Often, people relay their near-death experiences as a review of their life. Though life review experiences cannot be deemed scientifically veridical, they are worth noting. They can have a profound effect on the NDEer and sometimes cause them to re-examine their life and morals. Below is a doctor’s description of the life review of an NDE patient:
When he realized that collision was imminent, the patient said that time seemed to slow down as he hit his brakes and went into an uncontrolled slide. Then he seemed to pop out of his body. While in this state, he had a life review which consisted of brief pictures—flashes— of his life. . . His car struck the truck and the truck bed crashed through the window, causing multiple injuries to his head and chest. Medical reports show that he was in a coma and nearly died. Yet he had a vivid sensation of leaving his physical body and entering into darkness. . . He had the feeling of moving up through a dark tunnel toward a point of light. Suddenly a being “filled with love and light” appeared to him. Now he had a second life review [or life review proper], one guided by the being of light. He felt bathed in love and compassion as he reviewed the moral choices he had made in his lifetime. He suddenly understood that he was an important part of the universe and that his life had a purpose.

Near Death Experience Story Four: Traveling through Walls
Some NDEers report stories of veridical out-of-body experiences, including traveling through walls to the waiting room where they see their relatives and friends. One patient reported traveling through a wall and seeing her young daughter wearing mismatched plaids, which was highly unusual. Another woman traveled through a wall and overheard her brother-in-law in the hospital waiting room talking to a business associate in a very derogatory manner; she was able to report this back to him later.

Near Death Experience Story Five: A Blind Woman Has Sight Restored
As mentioned above, some blind people report being able to see during their NDE. Psychiatrist Brian Weiss tells the story of a blind, elderly woman:
“[She] suffered a cardiac arrest during her stay in the hospital where I [Weiss] was the chairman of the psychiatry department. She was unconscious as the resuscitation team tried to revive her. According to her later report, she floated out of her body and stood near the window, watching [the resuscitation]. She observed, without any pain whatsoever, as they thumped on her chest and pumped air into her lungs. During the resuscitation, a pen fell out of her doctor’s pocket and rolled near the same window where her out-of-body spirit was standing and watching. The doctor eventually walked over, picked up the pen, and put it back in his pocket. He then rejoined the frantic effort to save her. They succeeded.
“A few days later, she told her doctor that she had observed the resuscitation team at work during her cardiac arrest. ‘No,’ he soothingly reassured her. ‘You were probably hallucinating because of the anoxia [lack of oxygen to the brain]. This can happen when the heart stops beating.
’But I saw your pen roll over to the window,’ she replied. Then she described the pen and other details of the resuscitation. The doctor was shocked. His patient had not only been comatose during the resuscitation, but she had also been blind for many years.”


What Can These Near-Death Experience Stories Tell Us about Consciousness, the Afterlife, and God?

The above studies of near-death experiences give considerable probative evidence of transphysical consciousness after bodily death, which is not explained by current physicalist explanations and is unlikely to be presented by future ones. Nor can it be explained by the medical world, this challenges certain ideas of consciousness.
“These features and the occurrence of heightened mental functioning when the brain is severely impaired, such as under general anesthesia and in cardiac arrest, challenge the common assumption in neuroscience that consciousness is solely the product of brain processes, or that the mind is merely the subjective concomitant of neurological events.” —Dr. Bruce Greyson of the University of Virginia School of
https://www.magiscenter.com/blog/credible-near-death-experience-stories
 
iskustva muslimana i krscanke o iskustvima bliske smrti kad dusa izadje iz tijela, i sta doktor kaze za to

Iskustva bliske smrti su jedno od najjacih empirijskih dokaza da zivot nastavlja poslije smrti iz razloga sto se tu potvrdjuje da svijest izlazi iz tijela i moze da nastaviti zivjeti bez tijela, dusa koja izadje iz tijela iako smrt jos nije nastupila, dusa koja moze da vidi, cuje, osjeti...je dokaz da covjek nije samo tijelo, nego tijelo i dusa, DUsa koristi tijelo kao prevozno sredstvo u materijalno svijetu , kako bi tijelo moglo imati interakciju sa materijom. Dusa kad udje u tijelo prikopca se na organe tijela, pa gleda kroz oci, ako je oko defektno dusa ne mzoe da vidi, i ta osoba je slijepa, ali kada dusa izadje iz tijela moze da vidi komotno bez problema okolinu, dokaz za ovo je osoba koja od rodjenja slijepa dozivjela klinicku smrt, iskustvo bliske smrti, gdje joj je dusa izasla iz tijela i rekla je da je tada tek progledala i mogla da vidi sta se desava, puno se prepala jer to je prvi put bilo da je mogla da vidi, jako joj je cudno bilo, vidjela je kako neko spasava zenu ambulanta koja je tek pristigla, i na osnovu kose i mustre prstena na ruci koje je vidjela kod te zene shvatila da je to ona u stvari.
Moje iskustvo je da sam umro i da sam presao u paralelni univerzum isto samo drugi scenario Ali ovo verujem najozbiljnije Č:P
 
video je o muslimanskom krscanskom iskustvu iskustva bliske smrti, sa hadisima poslanika o Raju koji potvrdjiva one stvari o kojima oni govore, plus na kraju zidovski Rabbin intervjuise DOktora koji izucava Iskustva Bliske smrti.
Hriscansko tumacenje sugerise da bi to mogla biti obmana. U fazonu zmijine poruke "necete vi umreti..." jer koja je svrha Isusovog vaskrsenja - pobede nad smrcu - ako svi automatski nastavljaju da postoje na nekom lepom ili bar slicnom mestu

Budisticko tumacenje pak sugerise da je i ovaj aktuelni zivot obmana a kamoli zagrobni :D (kao sto postoji bardo smrti tako postoji i bardo zivota koji navodno zivimo sada)
Moje iskustvo je da sam umro i da sam presao u paralelni univerzum isto samo drugi scenario Ali ovo verujem najozbiljnije Č:P
Ima i takva teorija
It is all very complicated, laid out over hundreds of pages, but the idea has its foundation on the idea that that the past, present and future all exist simultaneously, meaning that people can enter the future in dreams or the past by déjà vu, and that we are living our lives over and over on a perpetual loop, a version of eternal return similar to what is depicted in the film Groundhog Day. In this scenario, when we die we see a literal minute-by-minute recreation of our life in 'real time' as if projected onto a screen from our subjective viewpoint and that this inwardly generated 'reality' is virtually indistinguishable from the real thing. In essence, we don’t die, but merely repeat our lives again in a parallel realm of some sort. He has explained of this:
I argue that at the point of death consciousness enters another perceptual reality that exists in a different chronological framework. By this I mean that subjective time is dilated to such an extent that the final micro-seconds are subjectively perceived as a whole lifetime. This time is populated by a rendition of a new life in which the dying person is taken back to their moment of birth in order to live their life again. This is a literal re-incarnation, but not as somebody else, but as themselves. This is similar to a third-person virtual reality rendition of one’s life. I argue that the data needed to create this rendition is uploaded from the quantum vacuum in the roll of zero-point energy, creating a data-based holographic simulation or, as I prefer to call it, an “Instantation”.
То је слично реинкарнацији у други свет, само што у ову нову димензију не долазите као нова особа без сећања на свој прошли живот, као у традиционалним случајевима реинкарнације, већ као сами са свим својим искуствима и успоменама нетакнутим из стварност коју си напустио. Он такође помиње оно што он назива „демон“, што је у основи наше „старо“ ја, које увек живи са нама и већ је бар једном живело наш садашњи живот, наш водич у извесном смислу и узрок је деја ву и необјашњивих слутњи које нам могу спасити животе.
 
Hriscansko tumacenje sugerise da bi to mogla biti obmana. U fazonu zmijine poruke "necete vi umreti..." jer koja je svrha Isusovog vaskrsenja - pobede nad smrcu - ako svi automatski nastavljaju da postoje na nekom lepom ili bar slicnom mestu

Budisticko tumacenje pak sugerise da je i ovaj aktuelni zivot obmana a kamoli zagrobni :D (kao sto postoji bardo smrti tako postoji i bardo zivota koji navodno zivimo sada)

Ima i takva teorija

Hriscansko tumacenje sugerise da bi to mogla biti obmana

prije ce biti da nije obmana, ako osobe razlicith vjeroispovijesti dozive Raj ili Pakao tokom iskustva bliske smrti.


U fazonu zmijine poruke "necete vi umreti..."

umrijeti hoce svi, samo sto smrt znaci prelezak iz jednog zivota u drugi.

smrt su vrata za drugi svijet.


jer koja je svrha Isusovog vaskrsenja - pobede nad smrcu - ako svi automatski nastavljaju da postoje na nekom lepom ili bar slicnom mestu

nikakva svrha, jer Isus nije umro niti je uopste logicno vjerovati da nevina osoba bude ubijena radi grijeha drugih, to nikakve veze sa zdravom logikom nema.

svi automatski nemogu da idu u Raj, to sto neki vide Raj prilikom iskustva bliske smrti ne znaci da ce tamo i doci poslije smrti, sta ako je to vizija poslata od Boga da ih upozori da se promijene da slijede Bozije upute da bi dostigli tamo...da ih okrene na pravi put.


Budisticko tumacenje pak sugerise da je i ovaj aktuelni zivot obmana a kamoli zagrobni

BOg kaze u Kuranu:

Svako živo biće će smrt okusiti! I samo na Sudnjem danu dobićete u potpunosti plaće vaše, i ko bude od vatre udaljen i u Raj uveden – taj je postigao šta je želio; a život na ovome svijetu je samo varljivo naslađivanje.
 
prije ce biti da nije obmana, ako osobe razlicith vjeroispovijesti dozive Raj ili Pakao tokom iskustva bliske smrti.
Ima indikacija da se radi o snu odnosno snovidjenju, ne stvarnoj poseti nekom mestu. I ako je ta pocetna odnosno zavrsna vizija san, namece se pitanje da li je i hipoteticki zagrobni zivot takodje san odnosno kao sto popovi kazu "mrtvi su usnuli i zato se nekad mogu javiti u snovima..."

A kada se desava budjenje? pa sa novim rodjenjem mozda... a i svakodnevno postoji taj ritam "reinkarniranja" - malo java, pa san
umrijeti hoce svi, samo sto smrt znaci prelezak iz jednog zivota u drugi.
smrt su vrata za drugi svijet.
Postoje misljenja da u astralnom svetu ljudi ne vide nista sto vec nisu videli ili spoznali u svom materijalnom zivotnom iskustvu, bas kao sto se i u snovima sanja o onom sto se desavalo na javi.
 
Ima indikacija da se radi o snu odnosno snovidjenju, ne stvarnoj poseti nekom mestu. I ako je ta pocetna odnosno zavrsna vizija san, namece se pitanje da li je i hipoteticki zagrobni zivot takodje san odnosno kao sto popovi kazu "mrtvi su usnuli i zato se nekad mogu javiti u snovima..."
San je ključan jer tad se duša odvaja od tela i putuješ astralom. U snu upoznaješ entitete i možeš sa njima komunicirati.
Sve je zato moguće u snu, pa čak i da kontrolišeš snove i ulaziš u tuđe snove...
 
San je ključan jer tad se duša odvaja od tela i putuješ astralom. U snu upoznaješ entitete i možeš sa njima komunicirati.
Sve je zato moguće u snu, pa čak i da kontrolišeš snove i ulaziš u tuđe snove...
Ali astral je virtuelan kao i internet, to smo vec apsolvirali. Zapravo virtuelniji od interneta jer na internetu vecina entiteta, avatara, potice od stvarnih ljudi. AI botovi su takodje samostalni, dok je u snovima 99% susreta cist proizvod maste.

I budisti kazu covek se u zagrobnom bardou susrece sa svojim misaonim oblicima, znaci isto kao da sanja.
U snovima se mogu primati i telepatske informacije ali to nije putovanje nego interpretiranje informacija kroz jezik zimbola i slika (stavise telepatija se najlakse prenosi upravo u slikama...)

Govorimo li o pravom zagrobnom zivotu, minimum bi bio da se ode u svet slican internetu, a optimum u drugi fizicki ili polufizicki svet, medjutim za to je izgleda potrebno reinkarniranje. Budisti kazu ima vise loka u koje se moze inkarnirati...
Osim ako - posto je astralna projekcija dokazana - moze da se luta ovim i ostalim fizickim svetovima u nefizickom obliku...
 

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