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HS1911

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Da li se ko od vas forumasa takmici?
Posto su najuspesniji u ovom sportu pripadnici spec. jedinica mislim da je ova tema prikladna.

A jeli se običan čovjek može tim baviti? Jedan 9mm metak košta(selleir belot) u hr oko 2kn (1kn=7.35€). To je samo stvar samokontrole i vježbe, uzmi s ceste par momaka i nek svaki ispuca par tisuća metaka i još im daj trenera savjetnika i bit ce jednako dobri, ne za ispc već usporedivi sa bilo kojom vojnom postrojbom koja može trošiti veće količine streljiva.
 

SSEknez

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A jeli se običan čovjek može tim baviti? Jedan 9mm metak košta(selleir belot) u hr oko 2kn (1kn=7.35€). To je samo stvar samokontrole i vježbe, uzmi s ceste par momaka i nek svaki ispuca par tisuća metaka i još im daj trenera savjetnika i bit ce jednako dobri, ne za ispc već usporedivi sa bilo kojom vojnom postrojbom koja može trošiti veće količine streljiva.

Hrvoje, pa ti nisi normalan!
 

andy357

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Pa nije bas toliko, a koliko vidim i u HR se razvija IPSC.
Ja se aktivno bavim vec 4 godine. I metak se preko federacije dobija znatno jeftinije nego sto je regularno u prodaji, ali da je skup sport, jeste :???:
 

HS1911

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Ali i taj IPSC i sva ta vježba je većinom uzalud. Dobije se puno naravno ali kao i u svemu najvažnije je ono što imaš u glavi i kako se ponašaš u stresnim situacijama. Od kraja 90. god pa do ove godine, bio sam prisutan u bar 50-60 pucnjava. I u većini slučajeva su ljudi ne rezonski pucali.(da dodam, nisam ja taj koji je pucao i većinom nisu pucali u mene)
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If shot placement is so important, why no sights?
An exhaustive NYPD report (NYPD SOP 9) revealed that in 70% of recorded police shootings (the majority under poor lighting conditions) officers did not use sights while 10% of the time officers didn’t remember whether sights were used. In the remaining 20% of the cases, officers recollected using some form of visual aid to line up the target ~ which could be the sights themselves or just the barrel.
The NYPD statistics showed no correlation between an officer’s range scores and his ability to hit a suspect at close range. The mean score for NYPD police officers (1990-2000) for all shootings is fifteen hits per 100 shots fired, which is almost the identical hit ratio seen among Miami officers ~ who in the years 1990-2001 fired some 1300 rounds at suspects while recording fewer than 200 hits. Almost unbelievably, some NYPD figures show 62% of shots fired at a distance of less than six feet were complete misses.
The 1988 US Army training manual for pistols and revolvers [FM 23-35], in apparent recognition of the disconnect between sighted shooting at the range and the ability to score hits in short distance combat, wisely calls for point shoot training at distances of less than fifteen feet. The ability to shoot targets at 25 yards using sights sadly seems to provide little or no advantage in close combat. Nor are there recorded instances where an officer required a reload in close combat. When reloads do occur, there is no immediate threat to the officer’s safety and the perpetrator has usually barricaded himself in a defensive posture. A study by Etten and Petee (l995) showed that neither large capacity magazines nor the ability to reload quickly was a factor in shootings.
Speed reloads at short ranges just don’t happen, and practicing paper punching at long ranges using sights appears to prepare one for short range conflict to the same degree it prepares one for using flying insect spray. (Hitting an annoying yellow jacket buzzing a picnic table without spraying the guests or the food might be better practice for combat than long range paper punching. So might a plain old-fashioned water pistol fight.)
In the FWIW department, of 250 NYPD police officers killed in the line of duty in the years 1854-1979 there was only one instance where it could be determined an officer was slain at a distance of over 25 feet ~ by a sniper 125 feet away. Of the 250 fatal encounters, 92% took place under fifteen feet and 96.4% under 25 feet. In the remaining eight instances the distance was unknown.


Using sights at shorter ranges invites problems
In order to use sights a shooter has to put at least one hand in front of their face. This obstructs the view behind the hand they have placed there. When the focus is on the upper torso of the threatening individual, the lower portion of that person is partially or completely hidden from view by this deliberately chosen visual obstruction. The closer the target, the greater is the degree of visual impairment that may cause the shooter to fail to recognize potentially important information below the sight picture.
Statistics show pistol sights generally go out the window once shooting starts; however, this does not mean sights are not used prior to the commencement of hostilities. We can see on reality TV police programs numerous instances where officers in a Weaver stance point guns at suspects who are in absurdly close proximity to them.
With both hands in front of one’s face, one is less able to recognize whether a possible threat is reaching for a gun or a wallet when the landscape below the target area is blocked from view. One might perceive movement but one cannot see what is being moved. There is no doubt in my mind accidental shootings of unarmed individuals have in many instances been caused by sight shoot training, in which a trained focus on a clear sight picture leaves one necessarily with an incomplete view of the important overall scenario.
The potential hazard of losing perspective of the complete picture of the environment is well illustrated by American Matthew Emmons. He lost what appeared to be a safe Gold medal in the 2004 Olympics by shooting, with great accuracy, holes in his neighbor’s target. Overmuch concentration on the bull’s eye, which can be achieved with sights that exclude distracting but possibly important stimuli, may assist in hitting what one is aiming to hit but it can do so at the great cost of making an improper choice of target.

Suggestions for achieving proficiency
Other than range practice of point shooting at realistic combat distances (under fifteen feet), here’s what you can do to achieve proficiency, making sure you are using an unloaded pistol:

1.Dry fire the pistol to get acquainted with the trigger pull. Dry firing will not hurt the LWS. Slow deliberate dry firing will help you get acquainted with the pull, but make it a snappy pull once you get the feel because you’ll never use the slow pull to defend yourself. (Please keep in mind ‘unloaded’ guns are probably responsible for most accidental shootings, so never under any circumstances point the pistol at any living thing or something you are not prepared to suffer the consequences of shooting.)

2.Repeatedly pick up the pistol and point it towards a target without looking at the gun. Holding the gun in that position, bring your eyes down to examine whether the position of the gun lines up with the target. As much as you can, keep your arm straight without allowing it to interfere with your vision. A straight arm makes for more accurate pointing. (The pocket slipper laser aimer is also a good training tool for getting you on target. If a threat arises you should not be thinking of the pistol, which should become an extension of yourself, but on the threat that faces you.)

Most of those who buy pistols for self defense shoot infrequently. At the distance at which handguns are likely to be used for self-defense this doesn’t bother me as much as it perhaps should. Who doesn’t have a shotgun or some other weapon stashed away, seldom or never used, that they wouldn’t hesitate to bring center stage if there was a forced house entry. People who buy pepper spray and Mace don’t normally feel the need to practice a thousand squirts to feel comfortable they can hit an assailant. And, as mentioned, the studies seem to show little practical benefit from long distance range practice. I’d rather go up against a target shooter than an individual who plays occasional paintball.

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HS1911

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HS 1911 ajde prevedi ovo. Ne razumeju svi ovde engleski jezik.

Ukratko.
Policijska uprava NewYork je izdala statističku analizu razlčitih sukoba u kojima su sudjelovali policijski službenici i u kojima je došlo do uporabe vatrenog oružja.
1990-2001..oko 1300 ispaljenih metaka, registrirano je manje od 200 pogodaka, znači oko 15%. Od onih metaka koji su ispaljeni na manjeod 2m!!, postotak promašaja je 62%.
Budući su vodili(i vode) statistike o svakom službeniku i njihovom uspjehu na strelištu, zaključak je da ne postoji korelacija između uspješnosti na strelištu i uspješnosti u stvarnoj životnoj situaciji.
Dalje u članku navode kako su procedure koje se primjenju u treningu odnosno vježbi pucanja i ciljanja nisu baš, da tako kažemo; zadovoljavajuće, te pritom daju neke svoje primjedbe i zamjerke.
Kao što rekoh, taj IPSC je odlična stvar, i nemam nikakve sumnje da i najlošiji natjecatelj u tom sportu je bolji, sigurniji, manje opasan za okolinu od nekoga tko nema nikakave veze s oružjem. Ali ipak najbitnije(bar po meni) je kako se čovjek ponaša u stresnim situacijama.
 

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Najbolji nas tamicar je gospodin Ljubisa Momcilovic. Jeste radnik MUP-a , ali nije iz specjalnih jedinica, puca za civilni klub "Mus" . Tek posle njega dolaze momci iz SAJ-a. Ako vas nesto zanima pitajte.
Sto se tice stava da streliste i stvarni zivot nisu bas u nekoj korelaciji, to je tacno. Uostalom najbolji revolveras 90 godina ( drzao drzavni rekord vise godina) je bio apsolutni pacifista.
 

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