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Jel Zemlja ravna i od čega je napravljen Mesec? Šta kažu uvaženi Krstini eksperti za svemirska istraživanja?

Zemlja je loptasta, a Mesec bi trebalo da je od minerala sličnih onima na Zemlji, ali eksperimentalno je utvrđeno da su stene na Mesečevoj površini o okamenjenog drveta.

 

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Treba NASA da te zaposli tako pametnoga da im objasniš neke stvari. Greota da takav stručnjak propada na ovom forumu, umesto da bude kandidat za Nobelovu nagradu iz fizike.

не већ вас да отпусти јер сте срамота за НСП
србско крило НСП је језиво! увреде, понижавања, вређања...дно дна сте!
ево полетање са земље, где је полетање са месеца? истрошиоо се филм?

 

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не већ вас да отпусти јер сте срамота за НСП
србско крило НСП је језиво! увреде, понижавања, вређања...дно дна сте!
ево полетање са земље, где је полетање са месеца? истрошиоо се филм?

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Ima snimak (tobožnjeg) poletanja sa Meseca.

Priča je da su se ukrcali na modul i uzleteli dok su ostavili kameru da snima, zajedno sa emisionom opremom, istorišenim bocama vazduha i ostalim što im nije trebalo, ali su poneli gomile stenja sa Meseca, pa su tako jednu stenu poklonili i Holandskom premijeru.

 

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US gave fake 'moon rock' to Dutch museum​

Posted Sat 29 Aug 2009 at 5:49amSaturday 29 Aug 2009 at 5:49am
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A treasured piece of moon rock showcased in a key Amsterdam museum is nothing but petrified wood, museum authorities said of a gift made to a former Dutch prime minister by a US envoy.
The exhibit at the Rijksmuseum, was originally gifted to Willem Drees in 1969 by then US ambassador William Middendorf as a souvenir of a pathbreaking trip by three US astronauts on July 20, 1969.
"When we received it, we insured it for 100,000 florins or 50,000 euros [$85,000] in today's money," said Xandra van Gelder, the editor-in-chief of the museum's internal magazine.
But she said that it was "hardly worth 50 euros," adding that museum authorities had been alerted by space and other experts.
This was confirmed by independent studies on the object, which is roughly the size of a matchbox.
"What is also strange is that in 1969, when Willem Drees was given this 'rock,' it was 11 years after he had stepped down as prime minister."
The US space agency NASA gifted pieces of the alleged moon rock to several countries.
The Rijksmusuem, one of the world's top museums, is better known for its vast collection of paintings by Rembrandt.
- AFP

'Moon rock' given to Holland by Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin is fake​

A moon rock given to the Dutch prime minister by Apollo 11 astronauts in 1969 has turned out to be a fake.


29 August 2009 • 12:12am

A piece of moon rock was given during a goodwill tour by the three apollo 11 astronauts. Credit: Photo: Getty Images

Curators at Amsterdam's Rijksmuseum, where the rock has attracted tens of thousands of visitors each year, discovered that the "lunar rock", valued at £308,000, was in fact petrified wood.

Xandra van Gelder, who oversaw the investigation, said the museum would continue to keep the stone as a curiosity.

"It's a good story, with some questions that are still unanswered," she said. "We can laugh about it."

The rock was given to Willem Drees, a former Dutch leader, during a global tour by Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin following their moon mission 50 years ago.

J. William Middendorf, the former American ambassador to the Netherlands, made the presentation to Mr Drees and the rock was then donated to the Rijksmuseum after his death in 1988.

"I do remember that Drees was very interested in the little piece of stone. But that it's not real, I don't know anything about that," Mr Middendorf said.

Nasa gave moon rocks to more than 100 countries following lunar missions in 1969 and the 1970s.

The United States Embassy in The Hague is carrying out an investigation into the affair.

Researchers Amsterdam's Free University were able to tell at a glance that the rock was unlikely to be from the moon, a conclusion that was borne out by tests.

"It's a nondescript, pretty-much-worthless stone," said Frank Beunk, a geologist involved in the investigation.

 

[Mrkalj]

Ima snimak (tobožnjeg) poletanja sa Meseca.

Priča je da su se ukrcali na modul i uzleteli dok su ostavili kameru da snima, zajedno sa emisionom opremom, istorišenim bocama vazduha i ostalim što im nije trebalo, ali su poneli gomile stenja sa Meseca, pa su tako jednu stenu poklonili i Holandskom premijeru.

 

[Mrkalj]

I deca znaju kako se to radi:

 

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Ono što je zanimljivo na ovom snimku je nepostojanje izduvnih gasova, usled sagorevanja raketnog goriva.
Čak se ne vidi ni svetlost usled oslobadjanja energije.
Očigledno je da se radi o maketi.
Mogli su bar da ispuste onu veštačku maglu, pa da koliko-toliko liči na stvarno poletanje.

 

[Mrkalj]

Ono što je zanimljivo na ovom snimku je nepostojanje izduvnih gasova, usled sagorevanja raketnog goriva.
Čak se ne vidi ni svetlost usled oslobadjanja energije.
Očigledno je da se radi o maketi.
Mogli su bar da ispuste onu veštačku maglu, pa da koliko-toliko liči na stvarno poletanje.

Specijalni efekti u to doba bili su u povoju. Kjubrik je bio genije s obzirom šta je uspeo da prikaže u Odiseji 2001. snimljenoj 1968.

Финансирана и дистрибуирана од америчког студија Метро-Голдвин-Мејера[5][6], 2001: Одисеја у свемиру снимљена је и монтирана готово у потпуности у Енглеској, користећи студијске објекте МГМ-а, који су били подружница британског МГМ-а и у Шепертон студију, углавном због доступности много веће звучне сцене него што је у то доба постојала у САД. Продукција је имала додатни уговор с Кјубриковом продуцентском кућом и водило се рачуна о томе да филм буде довољно британски како би се квалификовао за субвенције из фонда Иди Леви.[7]

 

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Specijalni efekti u to doba bili su u povoju. Kjubrik je bio genije s obzirom šta je uspeo da prikaže u Odiseji 2001. snimljenoj 1968.

Финансирана и дистрибуирана од америчког студија Метро-Голдвин-Мејера[5][6], 2001: Одисеја у свемиру снимљена је и монтирана готово у потпуности у Енглеској, користећи студијске објекте МГМ-а, који су били подружница британског МГМ-а и у Шепертон студију, углавном због доступности много веће звучне сцене него што је у то доба постојала у САД. Продукција је имала додатни уговор с Кјубриковом продуцентском кућом и водило се рачуна о томе да филм буде довољно британски како би се квалификовао за субвенције из фонда Иди Леви.[7]

Kjubrik jeste bio jako sposoban, usto i mlad i kao takav spreman da deluje protiv sistema (u tajnosti, mladi obožavaju neka tajna društva jer im to daje osećaj veće moći, nego što im sa godinama ide), da se zeza sa narodom i podvali mu onaj snimak lažnog sletanja.
Poznati režiseri to ne bi smeli, jer su se plašili za svoje karijere ako bi došlo do otkrića prevare, plus gubljenje obraza i teško stečenog ugleda.

 

[Dejan_011]

Zemlja je loptasta, a Mesec bi trebalo da je od minerala sličnih onima na Zemlji, ali eksperimentalno je utvrđeno da su stene na Mesečevoj površini o okamenjenog drveta.

Kako ste sigurni da je loptasta, mislim ako NASA laže za Mesec možda i lažu za oblik Zemlje, ko zna?

ali su poneli gomile stenja sa Meseca, pa su tako jednu stenu poklonili i Holandskom premijeru.

Taj lažni kamen nije imao nikakve veze sa Apolo programom, a sa Meseca je doneto 380kg kamenja i svake godine se podeli oko 400 uzoraka koji se koriste na univerzitetima za istraživanja širom sveta i još niko nije utvrdio da su lažni. Znač, svake godine u "prevari" učestvuje bar 400 naučnika i njihovih asistenata.
https://www-curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/

 

[Dejan_011]

Specijalni efekti u to doba bili su u povoju.

Tako je, i zato nije ni bilo moguće lažirati let na Mesec sa tehnologijom koja postojala tada.

 

[teletabis56]

Taj lažni kamen nije imao nikakve veze sa Apolo programom, a sa Meseca je doneto 380kg kamenja i svake godine se podeli oko 400 uzoraka koji se koriste na univerzitetima za istraživanja širom sveta i još niko nije utvrdio da su lažni. Znač, svake godine u "prevari" učestvuje bar 400 naučnika i njihovih asistenata.
https://www-curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/

Ti očigledno ne čitaš ništa, osim Nasinih propagandnih letaka?
"...i svake godine se podeli oko 400 uzoraka"

 

[Dejan_011]

Kjubrik jeste bio jako sposoban, usto i mlad i kao takav spreman da deluje protiv sistema (u tajnosti, mladi obožavaju neka tajna društva jer im to daje osećaj veće moći, nego što im sa godinama ide), da se zeza sa narodom i podvali mu onaj snimak lažnog sletanja.
Poznati režiseri to ne bi smeli, jer su se plašili za svoje karijere ako bi došlo do otkrića prevare, plus gubljenje obraza i teško stečenog ugleda.

Kjubrik je bio toliko sposoban, a opet i toliko nesposoban da ga raskrinkaju eksperti sa ovog foruma. Malo kontradiktorno.

Ono što je zanimljivo na ovom snimku je nepostojanje izduvnih gasova, usled sagorevanja raketnog goriva.

Što nisu snimili poletanje sa raketnim gorivom, nego ostavili ovako da teletebisi poput tebe razotkriju prevaru za par minuta?

 

[teletabis56]

Tako je, i zato nije ni bilo moguće lažirati let na Mesec sa tehnologijom koja postojala tada.

Što?
Nisu se snimali SF filmovi?

 

[Mrkalj]

Ono što je zanimljivo na ovom snimku je nepostojanje izduvnih gasova, usled sagorevanja raketnog goriva.
Čak se ne vidi ni svetlost usled oslobadjanja energije.
Očigledno je da se radi o maketi.
Mogli su bar da ispuste onu veštačku maglu, pa da koliko-toliko liči na stvarno poletanje.

Even some of the other estimates (if you accept them) would still require hundreds of pounds of vertical thrust directed down at a 20 sq ft area during the final 15 feet of the descent, which is still going to result in significant dust displacement. The landing site, however, is surrounded by numerous footprints from a 50lb Astronaut's boot, whilst the area underneath the 2.7 ton LEM & 10,000lb reverse thruster is left completely untouched. You don't need expert opinion to see the problem here.

 

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Kjubrik je bio toliko sposoban, a opet i toliko nesposoban da ga raskrinkaju eksperti sa ovog foruma. Malo kontradiktorno.

Niko ga nije raskrinkao, nego je to insajderska informacija.
Pitaj Leonova.

Što nisu snimili poletanje sa raketnim gorivom, nego ostavili ovako da ga teletebisi poput tebe razotkriju prevaru za par minuta?

Zaista, zašto nisu koristili makar male količine goriva - da izgleda uverljivije?
Ovako se sa kilometar vidi da je maketa u pitanju.

 

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Even some of the other estimates (if you accept them) would still require hundreds of pounds of vertical thrust directed down at a 20 sq ft area during the final 15 feet of the descent, which is still going to result in significant dust displacement. The landing site, however, is surrounded by numerous footprints from a 50lb Astronaut's boot, whilst the area underneath the 2.7 ton LEM & 10,000lb reverse thruster is left completely untouched. You don't need expert opinion to see the problem here.

Ovo je primedba za sletanje, a mene interesuje gde su gasovi prilikom poletanja?

 

[Mrkalj]

Ovo je primedba za sletanje, a mene interesuje gde su gasovi prilikom poletanja?

Pa zar the landing site nije i mesto poletanja?


Šta misliš o ovom, kažu da je lag 2s:

considering the lag between earth and moon explain how the operator managed to successfully pull zoom and follow the LM on its ascent with such accuracy.

I još:


this is incredible piece of film-work from that era, if it were done today, with the technology we have now, id believe it. But in 1969 for a camera to zoom out and track the take off precisely on the first and only attempt is beyond me. In Fact this piece of film is why doubt enters my mind, and the lack of stars. the cant track and remotely use this camera from earth, therewould be delay. i mean come on people,wake up to the possibility that NASA had to fake it. things are just not adding up.


I onda jedan odgovara (sarkazam):

Actually, it was the fourth member of apollo 17, Cliff Williams who filmed the lift off. ..no not the bassplayer from AC/DC, just a brave astronaut who was fine with being left behind on the moon. He was still in contact with Houston several hours later as he complained about running low on oxygen. Sad but true story... R.I.P Cliff, first corpse on the moon.

 

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Pa zar the landing site nije i mesto poletanja?

Jeste, ali se deo koji poleće odvaja od čvrste površine.
Ono što si ti citirao se odnosi na nedostatak kratera u prašini, koji je trebao da nastane prilikom spuštanja celog modula.

Ne vidi se ovo:

 

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[teletabis56]

Šta misliš o ovom, kažu da je lag 2s:

considering the lag between earth and moon explain how the operator managed to successfully pull zoom and follow the LM on its ascent with such accuracy.
I još:
this is incredible piece of film-work from that era, if it were done today, with the technology we have now, id believe it. But in 1969 for a camera to zoom out and track the take off precisely on the first and only attempt is beyond me. In Fact this piece of film is why doubt enters my mind, and the lack of stars. the cant track and remotely use this camera from earth, therewould be delay. i mean come on people,wake up to the possibility that NASA had to fake it. things are just not adding up.


I onda jedan odgovara (sarkazam):

Actually, it was the fourth member of apollo 17, Cliff Williams who filmed the lift off. ..no not the bassplayer from AC/DC, just a brave astronaut who was fine with being left behind on the moon. He was still in contact with Houston several hours later as he complained about running low on oxygen. Sad but true story... R.I.P Cliff, first corpse on the moon.

Verovatno je u pravu - kontrolisanje kamere sa Zemlje sigurno nije bilo lako, ako je uopšte bilo moguće.

 

[Mrkalj]

 

[Kažu "strani plaćenik"]

US gave fake 'moon rock' to Dutch museum​

Posted Sat 29 Aug 2009 at 5:49amSaturday 29 Aug 2009 at 5:49am
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A treasured piece of moon rock showcased in a key Amsterdam museum is nothing but petrified wood, museum authorities said of a gift made to a former Dutch prime minister by a US envoy.
The exhibit at the Rijksmuseum, was originally gifted to Willem Drees in 1969 by then US ambassador William Middendorf as a souvenir of a pathbreaking trip by three US astronauts on July 20, 1969.
"When we received it, we insured it for 100,000 florins or 50,000 euros [$85,000] in today's money," said Xandra van Gelder, the editor-in-chief of the museum's internal magazine.
But she said that it was "hardly worth 50 euros," adding that museum authorities had been alerted by space and other experts.
This was confirmed by independent studies on the object, which is roughly the size of a matchbox.
"What is also strange is that in 1969, when Willem Drees was given this 'rock,' it was 11 years after he had stepped down as prime minister."
The US space agency NASA gifted pieces of the alleged moon rock to several countries.
The Rijksmusuem, one of the world's top museums, is better known for its vast collection of paintings by Rembrandt.
- AFP

'Moon rock' given to Holland by Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin is fake​

A moon rock given to the Dutch prime minister by Apollo 11 astronauts in 1969 has turned out to be a fake.


29 August 2009 • 12:12am

A piece of moon rock was given during a goodwill tour by the three apollo 11 astronauts. Credit: Photo: Getty Images

Curators at Amsterdam's Rijksmuseum, where the rock has attracted tens of thousands of visitors each year, discovered that the "lunar rock", valued at £308,000, was in fact petrified wood.

Xandra van Gelder, who oversaw the investigation, said the museum would continue to keep the stone as a curiosity.

"It's a good story, with some questions that are still unanswered," she said. "We can laugh about it."

The rock was given to Willem Drees, a former Dutch leader, during a global tour by Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin following their moon mission 50 years ago.

J. William Middendorf, the former American ambassador to the Netherlands, made the presentation to Mr Drees and the rock was then donated to the Rijksmuseum after his death in 1988.

"I do remember that Drees was very interested in the little piece of stone. But that it's not real, I don't know anything about that," Mr Middendorf said.

Nasa gave moon rocks to more than 100 countries following lunar missions in 1969 and the 1970s.

The United States Embassy in The Hague is carrying out an investigation into the affair.

Researchers Amsterdam's Free University were able to tell at a glance that the rock was unlikely to be from the moon, a conclusion that was borne out by tests.

"It's a nondescript, pretty-much-worthless stone," said Frank Beunk, a geologist involved in the investigation.

Фалсификација и манипулација...

 

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Али најјачи аргументи у 99% случајева - ,,очигледно је" и ,,не треба експерт бити".

Какви вечити данинг-кругеровци умишљени.

 

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