Antički Makedonci (helenski identitet i ostalo)

Komunizam ti je cudo on napravi i od crnogorce novi narod,i vojvodjani da je potrajao Tito bi bili novi narod,a vi ste imali pretenzija ne kazem da niste da ne budete Srbi,ali ne moze se pobeci od toga......kad ti meni objasnis pojavu da je zvanicni jezik BJRM danas 16 puta slicniji srpskom nego grckom,a da su stanovnici BJRM ustvari Grci onda cu ja tebi objasniti.....uostalom i Muslimani su Srbi koji su primili islam pa tripuju da nisu Srbi,popustili su pod turcima,i vi ste lutali pod turcima izmedju ovih i onih uglavnom kako ste do 1945. bili Srbi a onda postali nov narod?

Makedonija a ne bjrm!!!

Slicniji je zato sto su Makedonci po dolasku slovena prihvatili pismo juznih slovena.

Tu dolazimo do makedonaca Cirila i Metodija koji su napravili glagoljicu(crkveno pismo) i njihovih ucenika Klimenta i Nauma.
Da vam nije bilo makedonaca, objasnjavali bi pantomimom sta hocete da kazete, a verovali bi u munju. hahaha

Jesi ucio ti istoriju?

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Poslednja izmena:
tom logikom se aerodrom u surcinu nikako nije mogao nazvati imenom nikole tesle jer on pak nije rodjen u beogradu vec u hrvatskoj.... :)

to znaci da ni aerodrom u ohridu nikako ne moze da se zove sveti pavle jerbo on nije rodjen u ohridu a i nije bio makedonac? :) mislim sta koga zabole kako ce koja zemlja/grad da nazove neku gradjevinu? a?

pa buraz Tesla nije rodjen u Srbiji ali se celog veka verifikovao kao Srbin,a Aleksandar veliki kao Makedonac medjutim grcki anticki makedonac sa kojima vi nemate nikakvih dodirnih elemenata,mislim da vam je to bar jasno?!!
 
Makedonija a ne bjrm!!!

Slicniji je zato sto su Makedonci po dolasku slovena prihvatili pismo juznih slovena.

Tu dolazimo do makedonaca Cirila i Metodija koji su napravili glagoljicu(crkveno pismo) i njihovih ucenika Klimenta i Nauma.
Da vam nije bilo makedonaca, objasnjavali bi pantomimom sta hocete da kazete, a verovali bi u munju. hahaha

Jesi ucio ti istoriju?

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ma ti mozes da redjas te zastavice koliko hoces to nije merodavno.....e aj sad objasni kako ste vi jedino anticko grcko pleme koje je prihvatilo sve ali bukvalno sve od slovena?sto Dorci,Jonci,qrci,palci nisu prihvatili nego samo vi????i gde ste u srednjem veku?
ne burazere nije makeodnija vec bjrm....nisu grci blesavi da vam daju ime makedonija,znaju oni ko su anticki makedonci a ko su srbi koji se ubacuju kao zvezda u ls....vi ste zvanicno "bivsa jugoslovenska republika makedonija" i tako cete ostati ZAUVEK,tj dok se ponovo ne vratite korenima....ko vas je oslobodjao?gde je bila dusanova prestonicA"?
 
Poslednja izmena:
Ma vidis da nista nezna, samo copy-paste i pise o srpskoj propagandi u Makedoniji, on zivi u Makedoniji a mrzi je.

Deckicu ti i ovaj cigancic djordji-blgaria stvarno treba da ucite jos mnogo .Pravite tako smesne konstrukcije po svojoj volji ili bolje receno fikciji .Mesate osnovne pojmove iz istorije sluzite se ( jedino )VMRO-sarlatanima bugarsima koje je svetska istorija prihvatila kao bugare , a njihovu VMRO kao teroristicku organizaciju .Vase teorije pocivaju na tako slabim osnovima ili bolje receno drzite se ko slepci za stap svojih frustracija ne uzimajuci u predvid kako ili bolje receno zasto su nastali makedonisti iz 1945 godine .Ozbiljni ljudi koji poznaju istoriju to ne rade vec uzimaju u predvid istoriske cinjenice (naseljavanje Slovena , bugarska propaganda , Austro-Ugarski uticaj, ideologija VMRO-a, stvaranje Jugoslavije itd )Istorija je preozbiljna stvar da se njom igraju amateri I isfrustrirane lazovcine .Makedonija ili bolje receno Stara Srbija kolevka je srpske duhovne i nacionalne ideje .Procitaj NACERTANIJA ILIJE GARASANINA I videces na kojim postulatima pociva srpska politika .Staro Srbi zive ovde vekovima nesto sto nije nepoznato svetskoj istoriji normalno to se ne odnosi na ove bugarske fetfebele I cigo smrdljivce .
 
uhvatio se za zastavu covek,pa logicno je da vam je ista kad je ona crvena ***** uzela zastavu anticke makedonije......imas li jos dokaza za to?i mi smo uzeli rusku zastavu obrnutu naopako pa se ne qrcimo da smo rusi ***.......zastava pa zastava,sami ste to izmislili.....da je tako ne biste bili BJRM vec samo makedonija,ovako svet zna sta je makedonija pa cete **** dobiti ime.....
 
1.
Arvaniti =-Albanci z:mrgreen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvanites



:zpozdrav:
Otvori oci z:shock:

U nijedan drugi jezik Homerove pjesme ne moze se razumeti osim na jedini jezik koji je ostao ziv "Albanski jezik"
(Ja ti dokumentujem i ne pricam chit-chat )
Pjesma je vise od 3.200 godina stara i je na Geg diajelekat :

Albanski jezik gore , dole Homerova pjesma :
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Slican u originalu

Dalje u vezi toga :

Serial: The Bulletin of the American Society of Papyrologists.
Title: The Scene in Iliad 18.497-508 and the Albanian Blood-feud [Volume 22, Issue: 1-4,
Issue title: Classical Studies Presented to William Hailey Willis on the Occasion of his Retirement from Duke University
1985, pp. 79-86, http://hdl.handle.net/2027/spo.0599796.0022.001:11]
Author: Hammond, N.G.L.
Collection: Bulletin of the American Society of Papyrologists

Kompletnu knjigu imas ovde :
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/tex...9796.0022.001:12;idno=0599796.0022.001;seq=89

Sem postova gore imas na prethodnu stranicu i "Memoria sulla lingua albanese
By Giuseppe Crispi
"
Homerov Jezik
http://books.google.com/books?id=Icc...OIGEEbfg&w=575

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Svaka cast Arberi,

jel te materijale pozajmljujes iz "seherezade";

1. "Pjesma je vise od 3.200 godina stara i je na Geg diajelekat :"

Homer je ziveo pre 2850 godina, a pjesma mu stara 3.200 godina.

Ovo je za "ginis", URGENTNO.

2. Pise "ARVANITO-VLAH", a ne "Arvaniti =-Albanci". Uocavas li razliku.
 
ma ti mozes da redjas te zastavice koliko hoces to nije merodavno.....e aj sad objasni kako ste vi jedino anticko grcko pleme koje je prihvatilo sve ali bukvalno sve od slovena?sto Dorci,Jonci,qrci,palci nisu prihvatili nego samo vi????i gde ste u srednjem veku?
ne burazere nije makeodnija vec bjrm....nisu grci blesavi da vam daju ime makedonija,znaju oni ko su anticki makedonci a ko su srbi koji se ubacuju kao zvezda u ls....vi ste zvanicno "bivsa jugoslovenska republika makedonija" i tako cete ostati ZAUVEK,tj dok se ponovo ne vratite korenima....ko vas je oslobodjao?gde je bila dusanova prestonicA"?

Ustavno ime je Republika Makedonija a ne bjrm, a to je ono pravo i to se mora postovati, kao sto je ustavom kosovo u sastavu Srbije.

Makedonija zna kako se zove, a sto ovi nisu prihvatili slovenske obicaje i jezik ko ih he..be vidis kako su prosli.
Mada neka se istorijom bave pametniji ljudi, a ja znam da sam Makedonac i tako ce i ostati ma koliko neko govorio suprotno.
Prijatno...
 
Svaka cast Arberi,

jel te materijale pozajmljujes iz "seherezade";

1. "Pjesma je vise od 3.200 godina stara i je na Geg diajelekat :"

Homer je ziveo pre 2850 godina, a pjesma mu stara 3.200 godina.

Ovo je za "ginis", URGENTNO.

2. Pise "ARVANITO-VLAH", a ne "Arvaniti =-Albanci". Uocavas li razliku.
Ako sam pogresio datum nije bila poenta u datumu nego "Homerov jezik"
Argumentovao sam deo toga , sta ti nisi i neces moci nikada .
Sorry D1 ko covek te postujem ali za ove tvoje tvrdje slab si , donosi nekog boljeg jer stvarno nemas nikakve sanse sem "chit-chat " , dokumente , cinjenice , fakte nemas a bez toga nista ,
Evo opet ->
jel te materijale pozajmljujes iz "seherezade";
... vrlo je lako danas pronaci avtora , zato gledaj , googlaj ko su oni bar najmanje bi naucio nesto .
Postaje polako decja igra ->
Pise "ARVANITO-VLAH", a ne "Arvaniti =-Albanci".
Ili mozda i njih hoces svojatati ?
Predsednik Arvanitaske lige u Athenu :
.. nije valjda Cincaraski da oni govore z:mrgreen:

Toliko od mene ..
 
Poslednja izmena:
Zanima me koji su argumenti koji osporavaju helenstvo antičkih Makedonaca. :rtfm:

Prema Homeru , Makedonci i Epirci nisu bili nikakvi Grci :


This map describes the basileis or kingdoms as they existed in the time of myth, or more specifically at the time of the Trojan War.

The map is based on Homer's catalogue of ships, using the towns and cities mentioned and other geographical landmarks to define the territories. Some is naturally guess-work or rough estimations, especially for the various kingdoms of Thessalia's broad plain.

NB Regarding Ithaka & Doulikhion (Dulichium): I have not followed the Greek georgrapher Strabo's somewhat confused identifications of these western Islands (an ancient error that has been handed down to the present day). Ithaka, as it is described in the Iliad and the Odyssey, is most likely the western-most spur of the island of Kephallenia (and indeed there are ruins of an ancient Mykenian town facing the harbour). Doulichion is probably the southernmost island now named Zakynthos, and Zakynthos modern-day Leucas.

ATTIKA & MEGARIS

Capital: Athenai

"The men who held Athenai, the strong-founded citadel, the deme of great-hearted Erekhtheus ... of these men the leader was Peteos' son Menestheus ... Following along with him were fifty black ships." - Homer, The Iliad 2.546

SALAMIS

Capital: Salamis

"Out of Salamis Aias brought twelve ships and placed them next to where the Athenian battalions were drawn up." - Homer, The Iliad 2.557

ARGOS (SOUTH), TROIZENOS & AIGINA

Capital: Argos

"They who held Argos and Tiryns of the huge walls, Hermione and Asine lying down the deep gulf, Troizenos and Eionai, and Epidauros of the vineyars, they who held Aigina and Mases, sons of hte Akhaians, of these the leader was Diomedes of the great war cry, with Sthenelos, own son to high-renowned Kapaneus, and with them as a third went Euryalos, a man godlike, son of Mekisteus the king, and scion of Talaos; but the leader of all was Diomedes of the great war cry. Following along with these were eighty black ships." - Homer, The Iliad 2.559

ARGOS (NORTH), KORINTHOS & SIKYON

Capital: Mykenai

"The men who held Mykenai, the strong-founded citadel, Korinthos the luxurious, and strong-founded Kleonai; they who dwelt in Orneai and lovely Araithyrea, and Sikyon, where of old Adrestos had held the kingship; they who held Hyperesia and steep Gonoessa, they who held Pellene and they who dwelt about Aigion, all about the sea-shore and about the wide headland of Helike, of their hundred ships the leader was Agamemnon." - Homer, The Iliad 2.569

LAKEDAIMONIA

Capital: Sparta

"They who held the swarming hollow of Lakedaimon, Pharis, and Sparta, and Messe of the dove-cotes, they who dwelt in Bryseiai and lovely Augeiai, they who held Amyklai and the seaward city of Helos, they who held Laas, and they who dwelt about Oitylos, of te=hse his brother Menelaos of the great war cry waws leader, with sixty ships marshalled apart from the others." - Homer, The Iliad 2.581

MESSENIA

Capital: Messene

Messenia sent no independent contingent to the Trojan War. The presumed heirs to the throne of Messenia were the twins Idas and Lynkeus who were slain by the Dioskouroi just prior to the War. The kingdom may have then been incorporated into that of King Nestor's neighbouring Pylos.

PYLOS

Capital: Pylos

"They who dwelt about Pylos and lovely Arene, and Thryon, the Alpheios crossing, and strong-built Aipy; they who lived in Kyparisseeis and Amphigeneia, Pteleos and Helos and Dorion ... the leader was the Gerenian horseman, Nestor, in whose command were marshalled ninety hollow vessels." - Homer, The Iliad 2.592

ARKADIA

Capital: Tegea

"They who held Arkadia under the sheer peak, Kyllene, beside the tomb of Aipytos, where men fight at close quarters, they who dwelt in Orkhomenos of the flocks, and Pheneos, about Rhipe and Stratia and windy Enispe; they who held Tegea and Mantineia the lovely, they who held Stymphalos, and dwelt about Parrhasia, their leader was Angkaios' son, powerful Agapenor. Sixty was the number of their ships, and in each ship went many men of Arkadia, well skilled in battle." - Homer, The Iliad 2.603

ELIS

Capital: Elis

"They who lived in Bouprasion and brilliant Elis, all as much as Hyrmine and Myrsinos the uttermost and the Olenian rock and Alesion close between them, of these there were four chieftains, and with each man ten swift vessels followed, with many Epeian men on board them. Of two tens Thalpios and Amphimakhos were leaders, of Aktor's seed, sons one of Kteatos, one of Eurytos. Ten more were led by Amaryngkeus' son, strong Diores, and of the fourth ten godlike Polyxeinos was leader, son of lord Agasthenes, of the race of Augeias." - Homer, The Iliad 2.615

OLENOS

Capital: Olenos

The kingdom of Olenos was conquered by the Aitolians just prior to the Trojan War and so its troops participated as a part of the Aitolian contingent.
 
Nastavak :

EUBOIA

Capital: Khalkis

"They who held Euboia, the Abantes, whose wind was fury, Khalkis, and Eretria, the great vineyards of Histiaia, and seaborne Kerinthos and t he steep stronghold of Dion, they who held Karystos and they who dwelt about Styra, of these the leader was Elephenor, scion of Ares, son of Khalkodon and lord of the great-hearted Abantes. And the running Abantes followed with him, their hair gown long at the back, spearmen furious with the outreached ash spear... Following along with him were forty black ships." - Homer, The Iliad 2.536

LOKRIS

Capital: Oupos

"Swift Aias son of Oileus led the men of Lokris, the lesser Aias, not great in size like the son of Telamon, but far slighter ... These were the dwellers in Kynos and Opoeis and Kalliaros, and in Bessa, and Skarphe, and lovely Augeiai, in Thronion and Tarphe and beside the waters of Boiagros. Following along with him were forty black ships of the Lokrians, who dwell across from sacred Euboia." - Homer, The Iliad 2.527

MINYAI

Capital: Orkhomenos

"But they who lived in Aspledon and Orkhomenos of the Minyai, Askalaphos led these, and Ialmenos, children of Ares ... With these two there were marshalled thirty hollow vessels." - Homer, The Iliad 2.511

BOIOTIA

Capital: Thebes

"Leitos and Peneleos were leaders of the Boiotians, with Arkesilaos and Prothoenor and Klonios; they who lived in Hyria and in rocky Aulis, in the hill-bends of Eteonos, and Skhoinos, and Skolos, Thespeia and Graia, and in spacious Mykalessos; they who dwelt about Harma and Eilesion and Erythrai, they who held Eleon and Hyle and Peteon, with Okalea and Medeon, the strong-founded citadel, Kopai, and Eutresis, and Thisbe of the dove-cotes; they who held Koroneia, and the meadows of Haliartos, they who held Plataia, and they who dwelt about Glia, they who led the lower Thebes, the strong-founded citadel, and Onkhestos the sacred, the shining grove of Poseidon; they who held Arne of the great vineyards, and Mideia, with Nisa the sacrosanct and uttermost Anthedon. Of these there were fifty sips in all, and on board each of these a hundred and twenty sons of the Boiotians." - Homer, The Iliad 2.494

PHOKIS

Capital: Krisa

"Skhedios and Epistrophos led the men of Phokis, children of Iphitos, who was son of great-hearted Naubolos. They held Kyparissos, and rocky Pytho, and Krisa the sancrosanct together with Daulis and Panopeus; they who lived about Hyampolis and Anamoreia, they who dwelt about Kephisos, the river immortal, they who held Lilaia beside the well springs of Kephisos. Following along with these were forty black ships, and the leaders marshalling the ranks of the Phokians set them in arms on the left wing of the host beside the Boiotians." - Homer, The Iliad 2.511

DRYOPIA

Dryopia (the region later known as Ozolian Lokris) did not contribute any troops to the Trojan War. The kingdom was ruled by the Herakleidai (sons of Herakles) at the time of the War - see Thessalian Doros below (which was their main holding).

AITOLIA

Capital: Kalydon

"Thoas son of Andraimon was leader of the Aitolians, those who dwelt in Pleuron and Olenos and Pylene, Kalydon of the rocks and Khalkis beside the sea-shore, since no longer were the sons of high-hearted Oineus living, nor Oineus himself, and fair-haired Meleagros had perished. So all the lordship of the Aitolians was given to Thoas. Following along with him were forty black ships." - Homer, The Iliad 2.638

KEPHALLENIA, ITHAKA & ZAKYNTHOS

Capital: Ithaka

"Odysseus led the high-hearted men of Kephallenia, those who held Ithaka and leaf-trembling Neriton, those who dwelt about Krokyleia and rugged Aigilips, those who held Zakynthos and those who dwelt about Samos, those who held hte mainland and the places next to the crossing. All thse men were led by Odysseus, like Zeus in counsel. Following with him were twelve ships with bows red painted." - Homer, The Iliad 2.631

DOULIKHION

Capital: Doulikhion

"They who came from Doulikhion and the sacred Ekhinai islands, where men live across the water from Elis, Meges was the leader of these, a man like Ares, Phyleus' son, whom the rider dear to Zeus had begotten, Phyleus, who angered with his father had settled Doulikhion. Following along with him were forty black ships." - Homer, The Iliad 2.625

THESPROTIA

Capital: Ephyra

Thesprotia did not send any troops to the Trojan War. It was ruled by Queen Kallidike at the time.

MALIS, PHTHIOTIS & DOLOPIA

Capital: Trakhis

“Now all those who dwelt about Pelasgian Argos, those who lived by Alos and Alope and at Trakhis, thos who held Phthia and Hellas the land of fair women, who were called Myrmidones and Hellenes and Akhaians, of all these and their fifty ships the lord was Akhilleus.” - Homer, The Iliad 2.681

PHYLAKE

Capital: Phylake

“They who held Phylake and Pyrasos of the flowers, the precinct of Demeter, and Iton, mother of sheepflocks, Antron by the sea-shore, and Pteleos deep in the meadows, of these in turn fighting Protesilaos was leader while he lived … Yet these, longing as they did for their leader, did not go leaderless, but Pokarkes, scion of Ares, set them in order, child of Iphikles, who in turn was son to Phylakos rich in flocks, full brother of high-hearted Protesilaos.” - Homer, The Iliad 2.695

IOLKOS

Capital: Iolkos

"They who lived by Pherai beside the lake Boibeis, by Boibe and Glaphyrai and strong-founded Iolkos, of their eleven ships the dear son of Admetos was leader, Eumelos, born to Admetos by the beauty among women Alkestis, loveliest of the daughters of Pelias." - Homer, The Iliad 2.711

THAUMAKIA

Capital: Thaumakia

"They who lived about Thaumakia and Methone, they who held Meliboia and rugged Olizon, of their seven ships the leader was Philoktetes ... yet he himself lay apart in the island, suffering strong pains, in Lemnos the sacrosanct, where the sons of the Akhaians had left him in agony from the sore bite of the wicked water snake ... Yet these did not go leaderless, but Medon, the bastard son of Oileus, set them in order, whom Rhene bore to Oileus the sacker of cities." - Homer, The Iliad 2.716

PHLEGYAI

Capital: Trikke

"They who held Trikke and the terraced place of Ithome, and Oikhalia, the city of Oikhalian Eurytos, of these in turn the leaders were two sons of Asklepios, good healers both themselves, Podaleirios and Makhaon. In their command were marshalled thirty hollow vessels." - Homer, The Iliad 2.729

ORMENIOS

Capital: Ormenios

"They who held Ormenios and the spring of Hypereia, they who held Asterion and the pale peaks of Titanos, Eurypylos led these, the shining son of Euaimon. Following along with him were forty black ships." - Homer, The Iliad 2.734

DOROS

At the time of the Trojan War the kingdom of Doros was ruled by the Herakleidai (sons of Herakles). They did not take part in the Trojan War since the Heraklid suitor of Helene, Tlepolemos, had been exiled to the island of Rhodes.

LAPITHAI

Capital: Gyrtone

"They who held Argissa and dwelt about Gyrtone, Orthe and Elone and the white city of Oloosson, of these the leader was Polypoites, stubborn in battle, son of Peirithoos whose father was Zeus immortal, he whom glorious Hippodameia bore to Peirithoos on that day when he wreaked vengeance on the Pheres [the Centaurs] and drove them from Pelion ... Following in the guidance of these were forty black ships." - Homer, The Iliad 2.738

PERRRHAIBIA

Capital: Kyphos, Dodona

"Gouneus from Kyphos led two and twenty vessels, and the Enienes and the Perrhaibians stubborn in battle followed him, they who made their homes by wintry Dodona, and they who by lovely Titaressos held the tilled acres, Titaressos, who into Peneios casts his bright current: yet he is not mixed with silver whirls of Peneios, but like oil is floated along the surface above him." - Homer, The Iliad 2.748

MAGNESIA

"Prothoos son of Tenthredon was leader of the Magnesians, those who dwelt about Peneios and leaf-trembling Pelion. Of these Prothoos the swift-foted was leader. Following along with him were forty black ships." - Homer, The Iliad 2.756

PIERIA

Pieria did not send any troops to the Trojan War. The country was usually described in myth as a non-Greek land ruled by Thrakian kings.

KRETE

Capital: Knosos

"Idomeneus the spear-famed was leader of the Kretans, those who held Knosos and Gortyna of the great walls, Lyktos and Miletos and silver-shining Lykastos, and Phaistos and Rhytion, all towns well established, and other who dwelt beside them in Krete of the hundred cities. Of all these Idomeneus the spear-famed was leader, with Meriones, a match for the murderous Lord of Battles. Following along with these were eighty black ships." - Homer, The Iliad 2.645

RHODES

Capital: Lindos

"Herakles' son Tlepolemos the huge and mighty led from Rhodes nine ships with the proud men of Rhodes aboard them, those who dwelt about Rhodes and were ordered in triple division, Ialysos and Lindos and silver-shining Kameiros." - Homer, The Iliad 2.653

SYME

Capital: Syme

"Nireus from Syme led three balanced vessels, Nireus son of Aglaia and the king Kharopos, Nireus, the most beautiful man who came beneath Ilion." - Homer, The Iliad 2.671

KOS, NISYROS, KARPATHOS, KASOS

Capital: Kos

"They who held Nisyros and Krapathos and Kasos, and Kos, Eurypylos' city, and the islands called Kalydnai, of tehse again Pheidippos and Antiphos were the leaders. In their command were marshalled thirty hollow vessels." - Homer, The Iliad 2.676

MELOS

Capital: Melos

Melos sent no troops to the Trojan War. Its king at the time was Polyanax.

DELOS

Capital: Delos

Delos sent no troops to the Trojan War. Its king at the time was Anios.

LEMNOS

Capital: Lemnos

Lemnos sent no troops to the Trojan War. Its king at the time was Euneus.

SKYROS

Capital: Skyros


Mislim da je ovaj link , ali nisam siguran :)
http://www.theoi.com/Basileis.html
 
Ako sam pogresio datum nije bila poenta u datumu nego "Homerov jezik"
Argumentovao sam deo toga , sta ti nisi i neces moci nikada .
Sorry D1 ko covek te postujem ali za ove tvoje tvrdje slab si , donosi nekog boljeg jer stvarno nemas nikakve sanse sem "chit-chat " , dokumente , cinjenice , fakte nemas a bez toga nista ,
Evo opet -> ... vrlo je lako danas pronaci avtora , zato gledaj , googlaj ko su oni bar najmanje bi naucio nesto .
Postaje polako decja igra -> Ili mozda i njih hoces svojatati ?
Predsednik Arvanitaske lige u Athenu :
.. nije valjda Cincaraski da oni govore z:mrgreen:

Toliko od mene ..

Vidim da mesas pojmove, pa da ponovim:

1. "ARVANITO-VLAH", dali uopste znas sta to znaci na grckom ?

To je isto kao: O, TUTA NOAPTE,...... (o citave noci,...),. koje tebi lici da je na shchipitarskom.

Pod pojmom "Arvanit" podrazumeva se zitelj Albanije, a i etnicki Albanac (Shchipitar).

Megjutim, bilo je reci o zapisanom "ARVANITO-VLAH", i pevalo se na jeziku onih koji pripadaju toj grupaciji, a to nema nikake veze sa Shchipitarima i njihovim jezikom.




2. Ono sa "Omerom",umesto sto iznosis savremene prevode (pazi molimte, moze neko i da poveruje iznetom), najbolje bi bilo da potrazis prepis najstarijeg postojecek zapisa "Ilijade" pa da pogledas na koja je DVA jezika pisan.

Ako nisam dovoljno jasan: najstariji postojeci zapis nije iskljucivo pisan na "prastarim grckim" jezikom koji jedva da su mogli da razumeju i Platon, Sokrat,.... vec SADRZI BILINGVALNE KOMPONENTE, t.e. reci koje pripadaju fondu dva jezika, grckom i ...............................onom na kojim su ti nekad davno govorili predci.


3. Nisi mi odgovorio na jedno jednostavno pitanje: "Tacno, u Albaniji nema pravih Grka (ako izuzmemo jedan vrlo mali broj iz okoline Yurocastra koji su tu dovedeni od strane nekog bega da mu obragjuju zemlju).
Posto je tacno da nema pravih Grka, onda koji je razlog da je Tirana ZABRANILA i UKINULA sve skole na makedon-armanskom, A, BILO IH JE PUNO, a forsira skole na grckom.
Zasto Tirana ne otvori makar jedan kanal na nacionalnoj TV na makedon-armanskom jeziku?"

Zasto zvanicna Tirana, Makedon-Armane identifikuje "cobanima, ovcarima" i tretira kao SOCIJALNO-EKONOMSKU kategoriju koja pripada shchipitarskom corpusu.

Tacno, to se tebe mozda mnogo ne tice, ali koje je tvoje misljenje u vezi prehodnog pitanja.
 
3. Nisi mi odgovorio na jedno jednostavno pitanje: "Tacno, u Albaniji nema pravih Grka (ako izuzmemo jedan vrlo mali broj iz okoline Yurocastra koji su tu dovedeni od strane nekog bega da mu obragjuju zemlju).
Posto je tacno da nema pravih Grka, onda koji je razlog da je Tirana ZABRANILA i UKINULA sve skole na makedon-armanskom, A, BILO IH JE PUNO, a forsira skole na grckom.
Zasto Tirana ne otvori makar jedan kanal na nacionalnoj TV na makedon-armanskom jeziku?"
Ne verujem da je tako , mada nisam iz Albanije i neznam .
Pre svega sam si prizano da tamo se vodite kao "GRCI" , i otvaraju se skole neprekidno na Grckom jeziku sta znaci tvoja nacija se vodi kao takva i takve skole imate , jer dobrovoljno tako se vodite , znajuci da "GRCI" su obecani neprijatelj Albanaca vec vekovima ..
I koliko ste vi nacije Bogati , cas Aromani , cas Vllasi , cas Aroman Makedon , sta ne trazite iste poceci od Grcije do Ljubljane koji ste se sami asimilirali ( ili represijom ?) a trazite od Albanije koja najmanje vas osporava u 5 kvadratnih metara , ko da je Albanija velika ko Kanada :)
To i kazem , da samo iskoristavas publiku ovde dok u drugim drzavama nesmijes AAAA reci , a ih ima znatno vise nego u Albaniju .
Voskopoja je u Albaniju i koliko znam tamo niko vas ne smeta da slavite ?
Toliko u vezi toga , Thema je "Grci i Makedonci" .
 
Poslednja izmena:
Ne verujem da je tako , mada nisam iz Albanije i neznam .
Pre svega sam si prizano da tamo se vodite kao "GRCI" , i otvaraju se skole neprekidno na Grckom jeziku sta znaci tvoja nacija se vodi kao takva i takve skole imate , jer dobrovoljno tako se vodite , znajuci da "GRCI" su obecani neprijatelj Albanaca vec vekovima ..
I koliko ste vi nacije Bogati , cas Aromani , cas Vllasi , cas Aroman Makedon , sta ne trazite iste poceci od Grcije do Ljubljane koji ste se sami asimilirali ( ili represijom ?) a trazite od Albanije koja najmanje vas osporava u 5 kvadratnih metara , ko da je Albanija velika ko Kanada :)
To i kazem , da samo iskoristavas publiku ovde dok u drugim drzavama nesmijes AAAA reci , a ih ima znatno vise nego u Albaniju .
Voskopoja je u Albaniju i koliko znam tamo niko vas ne smeta da slavite ?
Toliko u vezi toga , Thema je "Grci i Makedonci" .

1. "Ne verujem da je tako , mada nisam iz Albanije i neznam .
Odmah, jos u startu si kontradiktoran: "ne verujes", a "ne znas kako je"?

2. "Pre svega sam si prizano da tamo se vodite kao "GRCI" , i otvaraju se skole neprekidno na Grckom jeziku sta znaci tvoja nacija se vodi kao takva i takve skole imate , jer dobrovoljno tako se vodite , znajuci da "GRCI" su obecani neprijatelj Albanaca vec vekovima ..
I koliko ste vi nacije Bogati , cas Aromani , cas Vllasi , cas Aroman Makedon , sta ne trazite iste poceci od Grcije do Ljubljane koji ste se sami asimilirali ( ili represijom ?) a trazite od Albanije koja najmanje vas osporava u 5 kvadratnih metara , ko da je Albanija velika ko Kanada :)
To i kazem , da samo iskoristavas publiku ovde dok u drugim drzavama nesmijes AAAA reci , a ih ima znatno vise nego u Albaniju ."

Opet "brkas loncice", nismo mi nista dobrovoljno prihvatili; NASILNO NA TERITORIJI NASHE OTADZBINE SU NAM ZATVORENE SVE SKOLE ( i to od "nashe brace", t.e. nasih "surogata").

A, da otvaraju se nove skole, al njih poseciuju "etnicki shchipitari" koji su osoznali svoje grcko poreklo.

3. "Voskopoja je u Albaniju i koliko znam tamo niko vas ne smeta da slavite ?"

Ko kaze da nam neko smeta; Gege su vec 4 puta palili, pljackali Moskopolje i ubijali Moskopoljane.
Unistili su grad do temelja.
Kome ce sada da smetaju?
GOLOM KAMENU?

4. "Toliko u vezi toga , Thema je "Grci i Makedonci" . "

Da tema je "Grci i Makedonci".

Dali uopste znas koji je to ZAPADNI deo "Istoriske Makedonije".

Kako se danas zove ZAPADNA Makedonija?
 
Ne verujem da je tako , mada nisam iz Albanije i neznam .
Pre svega sam si prizano da tamo se vodite kao "GRCI" , i otvaraju se skole neprekidno na Grckom jeziku sta znaci tvoja nacija se vodi kao takva i takve skole imate , jer dobrovoljno tako se vodite , znajuci da "GRCI" su obecani neprijatelj Albanaca vec vekovima ..
I koliko ste vi nacije Bogati , cas Aromani , cas Vllasi , cas Aroman Makedon , sta ne trazite iste poceci od Grcije do Ljubljane koji ste se sami asimilirali ( ili represijom ?) a trazite od Albanije koja najmanje vas osporava u 5 kvadratnih metara , ko da je Albanija velika ko Kanada :)
To i kazem , da samo iskoristavas publiku ovde dok u drugim drzavama nesmijes AAAA reci , a ih ima znatno vise nego u Albaniju .
Voskopoja je u Albaniju i koliko znam tamo niko vas ne smeta da slavite ?
Toliko u vezi toga , Thema je "Grci i Makedonci" .

Srbi su naši prijatelji, ali Kosovari su naša braća, citira danas prištinski dnevnik "Epoka e Re" libijskog vođu Moamera el Gadafija, koji je u Sirtu primio delegaciju Kosova.

http://www.24sata.info/vijesti/svijet/45751-Gadafi-Srbi-nasi-prijatelji-ali-Kosovari-nasa-braca.html

Zasto su Kosovari i Libijci braca Arberi- verovatno su Libijci potomci Ilira i Dardana...
 
i vi kazete da ste braća sa pravoslavcima , mada za mene on je LUD z:mrgreen:

The Byzantine sources indicate that the Christianized Arab tribe Banu Ghassan led by Jabal bin al-Ayhan called Arna'ut, fled from Syria during Muslim al- futuhat and received from the emperor Constantine II a fief in Macedonia. Some historians speculate that the emperor Nicephorus I who ruled in Constantinople between 802 and 811 CE, was himself a scion of of Jabal, the last Ghassanid chieftain. During the reign of Abbasid caliph Harun al-Rashid, even the serious Muslim scholars believed that the Arnauts of Albania are Arab Ghassanids from Syria or the Berbers from Afrikiyya who 'being blinded by the Jahiliyya (pre-Islamic ignorance) became Nasara (Christians). They crossed the Mediterranean Sea and settled down in the land of Rum.' (1)

Footnotes and references:



1.Vide; Al-Sayyid Ahmad bin al-Sayyid Zayni Dahlan, Al-futuhat al-islamiyya ba'ad mudiyi al-futuhat al-nabawiyya, Cairo: Maktaba al-Islami, 1323 H/1905 CE, pp.80-83.



2. 'Kara Arapi' (in Turkish: 'Black Arabs') from Arnavut-ili (Albania), and Rum-ili ( Bosnia, Macedonia, Serbia) are described by the famous pious Turkish traveller Evliya Chelebi, vide; E. Chelebi, Ptepis, Bulgarian tr. and ed. by S. Dimitrov, Sofia; Institut za Balkanstika pri Bulgarskoi Akademii Nauk, 1972, p. 223, Macedonian tr. and ed. by A. Matkowski, Makedoniya vo delata na stanskite patopistzy, Skopje: Misla 1991, p.561.
 
pa buraz Tesla nije rodjen u Srbiji ali se celog veka verifikovao kao Srbin,a Aleksandar veliki kao Makedonac medjutim grcki anticki makedonac sa kojima vi nemate nikakvih dodirnih elemenata,mislim da vam je to bar jasno?!!

batice oces da kazes da se Aleksandar Makedonski deklarisao kao grk? ko i gde to kaze?

genetika kaze nesto drugacije o dodirnim tackama.....

ali nisi rekao kako se vatikan nije pobunio protiv imena ohriskog aerodroma?!?!?
 

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