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Ne znam zašto je Milošević iz Haga pozivao birače da glasaju za Vučića.
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Recimo kratko i jasno da direktor BIA nije mogao da bude keramicar.
Jednostavno i kratko to moze samo danas kod AV ...
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Pa mislio je kao i ti da je on demokrata hahaha.
Ti sebe nazivaš demokratom i liberalom a istovremeno smatraš da je 1945. trebalo biti protiv Grola odnosno za Tita!
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Imas li ti zivot?
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Lud , zbunjen ... pokusava da bude normalan ali ne ide mu.
Tito po 100x na dan ... svako bi poludeo , lik ima opasno oboljenje.
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Pitao sam te da li imas zivot ? to nije bila sala ...
Ponavljati isto mnogo puta , to asocira na nesto jako gadno ...
Mislim nastavi ti ali blizu si ivice.
Ponavljati isto mnogo puta , to asocira na nesto jako gadno ...
Mislim nastavi ti ali blizu si ivice.
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Грол је био један осредњи политичарчић, који је је Први светски рат провео као шеф прес-бироа у Швајцарској и којем уопште није сметало што борци из Првог светског рата просе по улицама.
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Само најболеснији мозгић 70 година посл етих избора мисли да су ти избори битнији од безизборности данас
Grol je u svakom pogledu bio superiorniji u odnosu na Tita: civilizacijski, moralno, kulturno, intelektualno, obrazovno...
Pa?
Imaš li ti neki dokaz za tu tvrdnju?
Piše se tih.
Ti svoje mane projektuješ na mene.
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Kada ti odgovara, ti se pozivaš na narod. Kada ti ne odgovara, onda prećutkuješ mišljenje naroda.
Vama komunistima su prevare i obmane u krvi.
Dejvid Grol je legendarni vokalista. Foo fajtersa
ali Tito je ipak bolji
ali Tito je ipak bolji
"FOREIGN RELATIONS OF THE UNITED STATES: DIPLOMATIC PAPERS, THE CONFERENCE OF BERLIN (THE POTSDAM CONFERENCE), 1945, VOLUME I
860h.01/7–1045: Telegram
No. 554
The Chargé in Yugoslavia (Shantz) to the Acting Secretary of State 1
top secret
Belgrade, July 10, 1945—2 p.m.
255. When Read of OWI paid farewell call on Milan Grol July 7, Grol asked him to repeat to me his remarks, substance of which follows:
Grol has been talking frankly to the Communist leaders and 10 days ago gave Tito a memo concluding with statement that he will remain in govt only if prompt agreement is reached on all of following related matters:
1.
Enlargement of AVNOJ.
2.
Basic law covering freedom of press and speech, elections, civil security, etc., to be enacted by new parliament.
3.
Character of new regime.
Grol considers this formula of major importance and is sure from daily talks with Šutej, Prodanović, Kosanović and others that he has united support of all non-Communist parties. Should the govt enlarge AVNOJ without accepting his formula Grol and the others will resign.
Grol then said Communists were preparing great popular front congress for late July (Embtel 252, July 92) and that Šubašić, Kosanović and Branko Cubrilović were nominated as steering committee. First two have not accepted or rejected nomination. Šubašić was astounded at his nomination. Grol thinks it vital that Šubašić reject it, otherwise Stalin would have fine weapon to use in discussion on Yugo, and Šubašić will betray his party, his liberal friends, and himself.
Grol said that after his return from US Šubašić confessed that his policy had been tragic failure and upon returning from Zagreb said he could see that his policies had betrayed all Croatia.
Grol said that Tito decided to recall Martinović from Cairo and that Šubašić in this case has defied Tito by refusing to sign the order which has been on his desk for a week.
Grol also said that the Russians have several groups going about Yugo to survey public opinion and determine strength of Communist sentiment. He feels that Russia may learn that the roots of Communism are real low and “may be willing to accept a compromise”.
Grol hoped US newspapers would begin asking why AVNOJ has not been enlarged and would let attitude of opposition become known without revealing source of information or precise formula, emphasizing political parties and govt’s failure to deal with national leaders. (Sent Dept; rptd Caserta).
Read reported Grol in far better spirits than formerly. He spoke of the Communists with greatest contempt. His attitude was that of a man who has finally made his decision and begun to act. He repeatedly said he was no longer alone."
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1945Berlinv01/d554
860h.01/7–1045: Telegram
No. 554
The Chargé in Yugoslavia (Shantz) to the Acting Secretary of State 1
top secret
Belgrade, July 10, 1945—2 p.m.
255. When Read of OWI paid farewell call on Milan Grol July 7, Grol asked him to repeat to me his remarks, substance of which follows:
Grol has been talking frankly to the Communist leaders and 10 days ago gave Tito a memo concluding with statement that he will remain in govt only if prompt agreement is reached on all of following related matters:
1.
Enlargement of AVNOJ.
2.
Basic law covering freedom of press and speech, elections, civil security, etc., to be enacted by new parliament.
3.
Character of new regime.
Grol considers this formula of major importance and is sure from daily talks with Šutej, Prodanović, Kosanović and others that he has united support of all non-Communist parties. Should the govt enlarge AVNOJ without accepting his formula Grol and the others will resign.
Grol then said Communists were preparing great popular front congress for late July (Embtel 252, July 92) and that Šubašić, Kosanović and Branko Cubrilović were nominated as steering committee. First two have not accepted or rejected nomination. Šubašić was astounded at his nomination. Grol thinks it vital that Šubašić reject it, otherwise Stalin would have fine weapon to use in discussion on Yugo, and Šubašić will betray his party, his liberal friends, and himself.
Grol said that after his return from US Šubašić confessed that his policy had been tragic failure and upon returning from Zagreb said he could see that his policies had betrayed all Croatia.
Grol said that Tito decided to recall Martinović from Cairo and that Šubašić in this case has defied Tito by refusing to sign the order which has been on his desk for a week.
Grol also said that the Russians have several groups going about Yugo to survey public opinion and determine strength of Communist sentiment. He feels that Russia may learn that the roots of Communism are real low and “may be willing to accept a compromise”.
Grol hoped US newspapers would begin asking why AVNOJ has not been enlarged and would let attitude of opposition become known without revealing source of information or precise formula, emphasizing political parties and govt’s failure to deal with national leaders. (Sent Dept; rptd Caserta).
Read reported Grol in far better spirits than formerly. He spoke of the Communists with greatest contempt. His attitude was that of a man who has finally made his decision and begun to act. He repeatedly said he was no longer alone."
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1945Berlinv01/d554
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Zasto Srbi nemaju ideologiju oko koje ce svi da se sloze, cilj kojem ce svi da streme i put kojim ce da idu dok ne stignu.
Nacija koja nema ideologiju je kao covek bez cilja.
Ideja ce da ujedini grupu, a kad svi zajedno rade ka tome uspeh je zagarantovan.
Ona moze da bude ekoloska, stvaralacka, itd. Od prvih koraka decu uciti ponasanju i vrednostima koje ce svi da podrze a ni u komsiluku nece imati neprijatelje vec ce delovati pozitivno kao u sportu gde se suprotne strane nadmecu po jasno definisanim pravilima.
Kao rezultat imali bi veliku vecinu normalnih i kukolj bi morao da bezi odatle.
Ne mogu generacije da odrastaju na rijalitiju, drogi, kurvaluku i lopovluku, a da ocekujete da takva grupa ima uspeha medju normalnim drustvima u svetu.
Nacija koja nema ideologiju je kao covek bez cilja.
Ideja ce da ujedini grupu, a kad svi zajedno rade ka tome uspeh je zagarantovan.
Ona moze da bude ekoloska, stvaralacka, itd. Od prvih koraka decu uciti ponasanju i vrednostima koje ce svi da podrze a ni u komsiluku nece imati neprijatelje vec ce delovati pozitivno kao u sportu gde se suprotne strane nadmecu po jasno definisanim pravilima.
Kao rezultat imali bi veliku vecinu normalnih i kukolj bi morao da bezi odatle.
Ne mogu generacije da odrastaju na rijalitiju, drogi, kurvaluku i lopovluku, a da ocekujete da takva grupa ima uspeha medju normalnim drustvima u svetu.
Konačno si promenio mišljenje.
Vulin je komunistom
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Da , lepo si napisao.
Objasnio je covek sve ideologoje od nacizma , komunizma do liberalizma...
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Mozda je malo popio komunjarske vodke pa se zabunio ...
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Mozda je malo popio komunjarske vodke pa se zabunio ...
Ма видиш да скида форе. Спрема се з атакмишење у говорништву па фата белечке у нотес.
Piše se takmičenje.
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Потурање приче о либерализму и нео либерализму у разговоре о детитоизацији је злонамерно мешање баба и жаба и једина му је сврха скретање дискусије о детитоизацији као процесу коначног раскида са титоизмом.
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Poslušajte profesora.
Ne pravi se previše pametan.
Inače svakome je jasno da su jedan totalitarizam zamenili drugim ovim liberalnim.
Poslednja izmena:
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Ја се не правим паметан, али се ти немој правити глуп, кад ниси.
Ништа што је професор рекао нема једне трунке одбране и задржавања титоизма као оквирмог модела идеологије у сасвим другачијим државним и друштвеним околностима. а то је тема којом се ми овде бавимо.
Ништа што је професор рекао нема једне трунке одбране и задржавања титоизма као оквирмог модела идеологије у сасвим другачијим државним и друштвеним околностима. а то је тема којом се ми овде бавимо.
Deki lično te prozivam i pitam: Šta misliš jel za vreme TITA mogo da se dobije iseljenički ili stalni pasoš?
Ima li to veze sa temom ili nema? Budi iskren i reci? Ja se ne ljutim.
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