Antički Makedonci (helenski identitet i ostalo)

Caledonia Roman name of part of northern Britain, taken from the name of former inhabitants, which is of unknown origin, perhaps Celtic; since 18c, applied poetically to Scotland or the Scottish Highlands. Related: Caledonian.Scotland named for the Scots, who settled there from Ireland 5c.-6c.; their name is of unknown origin (see Scot). Latin Scotia began to appear 9c. as the name for the region, replacing older Caledonia, also named for the inhabitants at the time, whose name likewise is of unknown origin.


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- ovde ne vidimo etimologiju
- na osnovu prostog poređenja vidimo dvosložnost reči kale- i make- -donija.

Ima li još neka "-donija"?

Da, i to u Makedoniji. Npr.: Mygdonia, Edonia.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Macedonian_Kingdom.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edonis_(region)

Edonis or Edonida (Ancient Greek: Ἠδωνίς, Ἠδωνίδα) also transliterated as Edonia, was an ancient region of Thrace which later became a district of Macedon. Its name is derived from the ancient Thracian inhabitants of the region, the Edonians.
 
1 y 2 Tesalonicenses, By Eugenio Green
URL:
https://books.google.ca/books?id=oL...v=onepage&q=romanos colonos macedonia&f=false

Translation of interesting parts from bottom of pg 18, and top of pg 19:

After the conquest of Macedonia in 168, Rome needed the means to consolidate its power over the new acquisition. Via Egnatia allowed the free movement of troops and agents of the Roman administration for the conquered territory on a durable and passable road at all times.

In addition, Via Egnatia served as a means to control the security of the region. Many tribes populated the regions around the road. Cicero, in one of his invectives written from Thessalonica in the middle of the first century BC, accused L. C. Piso Caesoninus (the Roman proconsul), of not having maintained security on the road.

The barbarians, he said, are so harrassing this province that the people of Thessalonica, living in the very heart of our power, had to leave their city and strengthen their citadel. But not only the barbarian invaders endangered our great military path that passes through Macedonia to the Hellespont, but also the camps of the Thracians are all around.


Furthermore, regarding Via Egnatia and its function we read towards the bottom of the pg 19 as follows:

It was an immigration channel, allowing Roman settlers to pass unhindered to their new homes in Macedonia, the colonies of Pella and Philippi. But evidence has also been preserved of the presence of Roman citizens in several other cities in Macedonia, such as Akanthos, Domenai, Styberra, Edessa and Thessalonica. An inscription in Berea, which honors the proconsul Piso, bears the name of "the Roman residents there".


It seems evident that - during Cicero's epoch - the tribes living around Via Egnatia (from Macedonia to the Hellespont) were Thracians (it appears that Thracians were the ethnic majority in southern Macedonia). Cicero also makes mention of some other barbarians constantly harrassing the province (Were they coming from the north? Were they Illyrians?).

Via Egnatia enabled and was an immigration channel for settlement of numerous Roman colonists throughout Macedonia.
 
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Epirotes - immediate neighbors of Macedonians

Strabo, Geography, 7. 7. 1

Moreover, the barbarian origin of some is indicated by their names—Cecrops, Godrus, Aïclus, Cothus, Drymas, and Crinacus. And even to the present day the Thracians, Illyrians, and Epeirotes live on the flanks of the Greeks (though this was still more the case formerly than now); indeed most of the country that at the present time is indisputably Greece is held by the barbarians—Macedonia and certain parts of Thessaly by the Thracians, and the parts above Acarnania and Aetolia by the Thesproti, the Cassopaei, the Amphilochi, the Molossi, and the AthamanesEpeirotic tribes.

καὶ ἀπὸ τῶν ὀνομάτων δὲ ἐνίων τὸ βάρβαρον ἐμφαίνεται, Κέκροψ καὶ Κόδρος καὶ Ἄικλος καὶ Κόθος καὶ Δρύμας καὶ Κρίνακος. οἱ δὲ Θρᾷκες καὶ Ἰλλυριοὶ καὶ Ἠπειρῶται καὶ μέχρι νῦν ἐν πλευραῖς εἰσιν· ἔτι μέντοι μᾶλλον πρότερον ἢ νῦν, ὅπου γε καὶ τῆς ἐν τῷ παρόντι Ἑλλάδος ἀναντιλέκτως οὔσης τὴν πολλὴν οἱ βάρβαροι ἔχουσι, Μακεδονίαν μὲν Θρᾷκες καί τινα μέρη τῆς Θετταλίας, Ἀκαρνανίας δὲ καὶ Αἰτωλίας τὰ ἄνω Θεσπρωτοὶ καὶ Κασσωπαῖοι καὶ Ἀμφίλοχοι καὶ Μολοττοὶ καὶ Ἀθαμᾶνες, Ἠπειρωτικὰ ἔθνη.


Robert Browning's Medieval and Modern Greek, 1983, p. 2, n. 7 "The language of the Epirotes is repeatedly described in antiquity as non-Greek (Thucydides 1.47, 1.51, 2.80, Strabo, 8.1.3). Yes the Epirotes were connected with the origin of various Greek communities. There may well have been an ethnic and linguistic mixture in Epirus, some tribes speaking Greek, others Illyrian or some other language (cf. Hammond (1967) 423; Katičić (1976) 120-7)"

PS: Above also shows that, as per Strabo, essentially the entirety of Macedonia (and even some parts of Thessaly) were held by the Thracians.
 
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Epirotes - immediate neighbors of Macedonians

Strabo, Geography, 7. 7. 1

Moreover, the barbarian origin of some is indicated by their names—Cecrops, Godrus, Aïclus, Cothus, Drymas, and Crinacus. And even to the present day the Thracians, Illyrians, and Epeirotes live on the flanks of the Greeks (though this was still more the case formerly than now); indeed most of the country that at the present time is indisputably Greece is held by the barbarians—Macedonia and certain parts of Thessaly by the Thracians, and the parts above Acarnania and Aetolia by the Thesproti, the Cassopaei, the Amphilochi, the Molossi, and the AthamanesEpeirotic tribes.

καὶ ἀπὸ τῶν ὀνομάτων δὲ ἐνίων τὸ βάρβαρον ἐμφαίνεται, Κέκροψ καὶ Κόδρος καὶ Ἄικλος καὶ Κόθος καὶ Δρύμας καὶ Κρίνακος. οἱ δὲ Θρᾷκες καὶ Ἰλλυριοὶ καὶ Ἠπειρῶται καὶ μέχρι νῦν ἐν πλευραῖς εἰσιν· ἔτι μέντοι μᾶλλον πρότερον ἢ νῦν, ὅπου γε καὶ τῆς ἐν τῷ παρόντι Ἑλλάδος ἀναντιλέκτως οὔσης τὴν πολλὴν οἱ βάρβαροι ἔχουσι, Μακεδονίαν μὲν Θρᾷκες καί τινα μέρη τῆς Θετταλίας, Ἀκαρνανίας δὲ καὶ Αἰτωλίας τὰ ἄνω Θεσπρωτοὶ καὶ Κασσωπαῖοι καὶ Ἀμφίλοχοι καὶ Μολοττοὶ καὶ Ἀθαμᾶνες, Ἠπειρωτικὰ ἔθνη.


Robert Browning's Medieval and Modern Greek, 1983, p. 2, n. 7 "The language of the Epirotes is repeatedly described in antiquity as non-Greek (Thucydides 1.47, 1.51, 2.80, Strabo, 8.1.3). Yes the Epirotes were connected with the origin of various Greek communities. There may well have been an ethnic and linguistic mixture in Epirus, some tribes speaking Greek, others Illyrian or some other language (cf. Hammond (1967) 423; Katičić (1976) 120-7)"

PS: Above also shows that, as per Strabo, essentially the entirety of Macedonia (and even some parts of Thessaly) were held by the Thracians.

Cecrops, Godrus, Aïclus, Cothus, Drymas, and Crinacus
Κέκροψ, Κόδρος, Ἄικλος, Κόθος, Δρύμας καὶ Κρίνακος
(Кекроф, Кодрос, Аиклос, Котос, Дримас, Кринакос)

Тако изгледа кад транскрибујемо грчки, па видимо разлику у односу на латински. А како ли је так било изворно...
 
Cecrops, Godrus, Aïclus, Cothus, Drymas, and Crinacus
Κέκροψ, Κόδρος, Ἄικλος, Κόθος, Δρύμας καὶ Κρίνακος
(Кекроф, Кодрос, Аиклос, Котос, Дримас, Кринакос)

Тако изгледа кад транскрибујемо грчки, па видимо разлику у односу на латински. А како ли је так било изворно...

Ko zna....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liber_Memorialis
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/L/Roman/Texts/Ampelius/Liber_Memorialis*.html

The Liber Memorialis is an ancient book in Latin featuring an extremely concise summary—a kind of index—of universal history from earliest times to the reign of Trajan. It was written by Lucius Ampelius, who was possibly a tutor or schoolmaster. Nothing is known of him or of the date at which he lived; the times of Trajan, Hadrian, Antoninus Pius, the beginning of the 3rd century have all been suggested. However, in Chapter V De Orbe Terrarum (The World), he wrote:

Main nations of Asia: Indian, Seric, Persian, Median, Parthian, Arabian, Bithynian, Phrygian, Cappadocian, Cilician, Syrian, Lydian. Main nations of Europe: Scythian, Sarmatian, Germanic, Dacian, Moesian, Thracian, Macedonian, Dalmatian, Pannonian, Illyrian, Graecian, Italian, Gallic, Spanish.

In Latin -

In Asia clarissimae gentes: Indi, Seres, Persae, Medi, Parthi, Arabes, Bithyni, Phryges, Cappadoces, Cilices, Syri, Lycii. In Europa clarissimae gentes: Scythae, Sarmatae, Germani, Daci, Moesi, Thraces, Macedones, Dalmatae, Pannonii, Illyrici, Graeci, Itali, Galli, Spani. In Libya gentes clarissimae: Aethiopes, Mauri, Numidae, Poeni, Gaetuli, Garamantes, Nasamones, Aegyptii.


PS:

X. DE IMPERIIS.

Imperia ab ineunte aevi memoria fuerunt septem. Primi rerum potiti sunt Assyrii, deinde Medi, postea Persae, tum Lacedaemonii, dein Athenienses; post hos inde Macedones: sic deinde Romani.

XVI. REGES MACEDONUM.

1 Philippus, Amyntae filius, primus Macedonum obtinuit Thraciam redegitque in suam potestatem; et cum transire in Asiam vellet, sub ipso belli apparatu in theatro a Pausania est interfectus. etc.......
 
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