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    Dakle, vazna tema i vidim da su je ispod morali zakljucavati, pa bih molio bez povrsnih pitanja, jer ako krenu povrsni odgovori, onda se to zove svadja!

    Dakle, ova prica jos nije izlazila u javnost, pa cu pokusati da je detaljno izlozim, mada na engleskom ima o tome ponesto da se procita.

    Ova moja prica ne uzima biblijsku pricu kao osnovu, nego pricu koja je nastala ili je bila samo prenesena dosta dugo nakon samog hriscanskog pokreta.

    Naime, u Talmudu je zabiljezeno da se Isus zove Jeshua bin Pandera ili bin Panthera, sto znaci da je on Panderin sin. A izvjesni rimski hronicar Celsus tvrdi, kao sto stoji i u Talmudu, da je Marija zatrudnila sa jednim rimskim vojnikom, dakle, tadasnjim okupatorom Izraela i tako je rodjen Isus. Mislim da u Talmudu takodje stoji da je ona bila prostitutka, sto, bilo tacno ili ne, objasnjava donekle zasto bi Isus bio tako naklonjen i samim prostitutkama koje su, izmedju ostalih, prema svemu sudeci, medju prvima sudjelovale u sirenju ... Hriscanstva.

    Ali ono sto je mene zaprepastilo je, ako je to tacno, da u Kuranu stoji da muslimanski vjernici ne treba da spominju da je Isus bio kopile, sto se moze objasniti samo pretpostavkom, da je prica o Isusu bila rasprostranjena u sirim narodnim masama bliskog istoka sve do 600 godina nakon Isusovog rodjenja.

    Drugo, kada govori o svojim roditeljima, Isus jasno stavlja do znanja da je za njega Marija majka, a Josip samo to - Josip.
    Takodje dodaje da ima samo jednog oca - boga, kada mu je Marija rekla da se ona i "njegov otac" brinu zasto je toliko dugo otsutan.

    Sem toga, Isus mi i lici vise na Rimljanina, nego na Jevrejina.

    E sad, glavni lajtmotiv hriscanstva je Ljubav prema bogu(a ne bog je ljubav!), zasto? - Zato sto je Isus po svaku cijenu zelio da ima pravog oca i da osjeti ocinsku ljubav. Da se npr. pojavio neki covjek i rekao mu da i on voli svog oca kao i on boga, ovaj bi sigurno otisao tom covjeku da ga usvoji. E to je bio glavni pokretac i motiv Isusov, a kasnije su nastali drugi, sporedni, kao voli bliznjeg svoga itd.

    Ah da, i da dodam, ljubav je sredstvo da se slabi "uvuku" ispred reda jakima.
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    воли те постојање и ако ти то не осећаш. да би осетио потребно је да пружиш. нико не може да пружи што нема. љубав је у теби, спутана.
    како објаснити оном ко не жели да схвати?

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    Zivot nije samo pruzi-daj, nego, prije svega stvaranje novog.
    One vrste koje vise nemaju duha, tj. stvaralastva, krecu ka izumiranju.
    Tako da je zivot je prije stvar duha nego robne razmjene.

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    Citat Original postavio Plutarh Pogledaj poruku
    Zivot nije samo pruzi-daj, nego, prije svega stvaranje novog.
    One vrste koje vise nemaju duha, tj. stvaralastva, krecu ka izumiranju.
    Tako da je zivot je prije stvar duha nego robne razmjene.
    стварање је из љубави, нема веза са трговином.
    како објаснити оном ко не жели да схвати?

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    Citat Original postavio Plutarh Pogledaj poruku
    Dakle, vazna tema i vidim da su je ispod morali zakljucavati, pa bih molio bez povrsnih pitanja, jer ako krenu povrsni odgovori, onda se to zove svadja!

    Dakle, ova prica jos nije izlazila u javnost, pa cu pokusati da je detaljno izlozim, mada na engleskom ima o tome ponesto da se procita.

    Ova moja prica ne uzima biblijsku pricu kao osnovu, nego pricu koja je nastala ili je bila samo prenesena dosta dugo nakon samog hriscanskog pokreta.

    Naime, u Talmudu je zabiljezeno da se Isus zove Jeshua bin Pandera ili bin Panthera, sto znaci da je on Panderin sin. A izvjesni rimski hronicar Celsus tvrdi, kao sto stoji i u Talmudu, da je Marija zatrudnila sa jednim rimskim vojnikom, dakle, tadasnjim okupatorom Izraela i tako je rodjen Isus. Mislim da u Talmudu takodje stoji da je ona bila prostitutka, sto, bilo tacno ili ne, objasnjava donekle zasto bi Isus bio tako naklonjen i samim prostitutkama koje su, izmedju ostalih, prema svemu sudeci, medju prvima sudjelovale u sirenju ... Hriscanstva.

    Ali ono sto je mene zaprepastilo je, ako je to tacno, da u Kuranu stoji da muslimanski vjernici ne treba da spominju da je Isus bio kopile, sto se moze objasniti samo pretpostavkom, da je prica o Isusu bila rasprostranjena u sirim narodnim masama bliskog istoka sve do 600 godina nakon Isusovog rodjenja.

    Drugo, kada govori o svojim roditeljima, Isus jasno stavlja do znanja da je za njega Marija majka, a Josip samo to - Josip.
    Takodje dodaje da ima samo jednog oca - boga, kada mu je Marija rekla da se ona i "njegov otac" brinu zasto je toliko dugo otsutan.

    Sem toga, Isus mi i lici vise na Rimljanina, nego na Jevrejina.

    E sad, glavni lajtmotiv hriscanstva je Ljubav prema bogu(a ne bog je ljubav!), zasto? - Zato sto je Isus po svaku cijenu zelio da ima pravog oca i da osjeti ocinsku ljubav. Da se npr. pojavio neki covjek i rekao mu da i on voli svog oca kao i on boga, ovaj bi sigurno otisao tom covjeku da ga usvoji. E to je bio glavni pokretac i motiv Isusov, a kasnije su nastali drugi, sporedni, kao voli bliznjeg svoga itd.

    Ah da, i da dodam, ljubav je sredstvo da se slabi "uvuku" ispred reda jakima.
    Pa šta očekuješ posle ovih gluposti nego da ti zatvore temu...lepo je kada ljudi kao ti sebi daju za pravo da pišu ovakve gluposti...molim se za tebe

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    Kakve veze ima duhovno stvaranje sa ljubavlju?

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    Citat Original postavio Plutarh Pogledaj poruku
    Kakve veze ima duhovno stvaranje sa ljubavlju?
    нема трговине...
    како објаснити оном ко не жели да схвати?

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    Citat Original postavio Plutarh Pogledaj poruku
    Dakle, vazna tema i vidim da su je ispod morali zakljucavati, pa bih molio bez povrsnih pitanja, jer ako krenu povrsni odgovori, onda se to zove svadja!

    Dakle, ova prica jos nije izlazila u javnost, pa cu pokusati da je detaljno izlozim, mada na engleskom ima o tome ponesto da se procita.

    Ova moja prica ne uzima biblijsku pricu kao osnovu, nego pricu koja je nastala ili je bila samo prenesena dosta dugo nakon samog hriscanskog pokreta.

    Naime, u Talmudu je zabiljezeno da se Isus zove Jeshua bin Pandera ili bin Panthera, sto znaci da je on Panderin sin. A izvjesni rimski hronicar Celsus tvrdi, kao sto stoji i u Talmudu, da je Marija zatrudnila sa jednim rimskim vojnikom, dakle, tadasnjim okupatorom Izraela i tako je rodjen Isus. Mislim da u Talmudu takodje stoji da je ona bila prostitutka, sto, bilo tacno ili ne, objasnjava donekle zasto bi Isus bio tako naklonjen i samim prostitutkama koje su, izmedju ostalih, prema svemu sudeci, medju prvima sudjelovale u sirenju ... Hriscanstva.

    Ali ono sto je mene zaprepastilo je, ako je to tacno, da u Kuranu stoji da muslimanski vjernici ne treba da spominju da je Isus bio kopile, sto se moze objasniti samo pretpostavkom, da je prica o Isusu bila rasprostranjena u sirim narodnim masama bliskog istoka sve do 600 godina nakon Isusovog rodjenja.

    Drugo, kada govori o svojim roditeljima, Isus jasno stavlja do znanja da je za njega Marija majka, a Josip samo to - Josip.
    Takodje dodaje da ima samo jednog oca - boga, kada mu je Marija rekla da se ona i "njegov otac" brinu zasto je toliko dugo otsutan.

    Sem toga, Isus mi i lici vise na Rimljanina, nego na Jevrejina.

    E sad, glavni lajtmotiv hriscanstva je Ljubav prema bogu(a ne bog je ljubav!), zasto? - Zato sto je Isus po svaku cijenu zelio da ima pravog oca i da osjeti ocinsku ljubav. Da se npr. pojavio neki covjek i rekao mu da i on voli svog oca kao i on boga, ovaj bi sigurno otisao tom covjeku da ga usvoji. E to je bio glavni pokretac i motiv Isusov, a kasnije su nastali drugi, sporedni, kao voli bliznjeg svoga itd.

    Ah da, i da dodam, ljubav je sredstvo da se slabi "uvuku" ispred reda jakima.
    Мислиш да је твоје и талмудско богохуљење "важна тема"...Талмуд је настао негде око 500.година после Христа а у списима обухвата време од око 200.година пре Христа па све до 6.века - то је Вавилонски Талмуд а постоји и Јерусалимски који је настао око 300.година после Христа... Талмуд је у ствари НОВОЈУДЕЈСТВО ... а то што и у својој светој књизи бљују мржњу на Христа само казује нешто о њима а и о теби.
    БИТИ СЛОБОДАН означава стање у којем субјект може деловати без присиле и забране.


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    Dakle, vazna tema i vidim da su je ispod morali zakljucavati, pa bih molio bez povrsnih pitanja, jer ako krenu povrsni odgovori, onda se to zove svadja!
    Требали су да закључају и тебе и тему, овако отворена хула на Христа се у времена Православних краљевина кажњавала сурово.

    Али пошто се искључиво кажњава вређање провокатора, а НАМЕРНО ПРЕНЕБРЕГАВА СА КАЗНАМА ЗА БОГОХУЛНИКЕ, можеш да пискараш и хулиш без тренутних, али НЕ И ВЕЧНИХ санкција.

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    He, nađoh i ovo:
    U XI veku dodate su uz svaku stranicu i Rashijevi komentari (Rabbi Shlomo Ben Yitzhaki, cca. 1040-1105). Rashijevi komentari pisani su drugačijim tipom slova. Obično, tekstovi su raspoređeni u obliku slova "L". Mišna (zabeležno usmeno predanje) je u centru, a levo i dole su tekstovi iz Ghemare (komentara koji su nastali od II do V veka)
    nekako te stranice liče na Googletove, jedino što Jevreji pišu naopačke.

    A inače, uvodni tekst meni baš nije ubedljiv (mada mi se sviđa onaj deo sa prostitutkama koje su raznosile rišćanstvo. To bi malo objanilo to "bog je ljubav" koje se tako često ponavlja ) jerbo Isus po mojem mišljenju jeste naravno bio zemaljsko dete, ali je iskreno verovao da ga je usadio bog. Jedina koja je manipulisala istinom bila je, naravno, mama.

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    Citat Original postavio Владан ИПХ Pogledaj poruku
    Требали су да закључају и тебе и тему, овако отворена хула на Христа се у времена Православних краљевина кажњавала сурово.

    Али пошто се искључиво кажњава вређање провокатора, а НАМЕРНО ПРЕНЕБРЕГАВА СА КАЗНАМА ЗА БОГОХУЛНИКЕ, можеш да пискараш и хулиш без тренутних, али НЕ И ВЕЧНИХ санкција.
    исус није вређао већ показивао, тако и ти.
    да могу да достигну христоса не би били завидни.
    како објаснити оном ко не жели да схвати?

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    za otaj poso bilo bi dosta ući sa bičem u hram.

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    Citat Original postavio Zazijavalo Pogledaj poruku
    He, nađoh i ovo:
    U XI veku dodate su uz svaku stranicu i Rashijevi komentari (Rabbi Shlomo Ben Yitzhaki, cca. 1040-1105). Rashijevi komentari pisani su drugačijim tipom slova. Obično, tekstovi su raspoređeni u obliku slova "L". Mišna (zabeležno usmeno predanje) je u centru, a levo i dole su tekstovi iz Ghemare (komentara koji su nastali od II do V veka)
    nekako te stranice liče na Googletove, jedino što Jevreji pišu naopačke.

    A inače, uvodni tekst meni baš nije ubedljiv (mada mi se sviđa onaj deo sa prostitutkama koje su raznosile rišćanstvo. To bi malo objanilo to "bog je ljubav" koje se tako često ponavlja ) jerbo Isus po mojem mišljenju jeste naravno bio zemaljsko dete, ali je iskreno verovao da ga je usadio bog. Jedina koja je manipulisala istinom bila je, naravno, mama.
    Pa jeste, ona mu je rekla da je bog=otac.
    A sta to imas bolje od mog uvodnog teksta, ili sta ti nije ubjedljivo?

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    Toledoth Yeshu
    Sepher Toledoth Jeshu
    YEHOSHUA BEN PANDIRA
    BIRTH AND PARENTAGE OF JESUS

    In the year 3671 in the days of King Jannaeus, a great misfortune befell Israel, when
    there arose a certain disreputable man of the tribe of Judah, whose name was Joseph
    Pandera. He lived at Bethlehem, in Judah.
    Near his house dwelt a widow and her lovely and chaste daughter named Miriam.
    Miriam was betrothed to Yohanan, of the royal house of David, a man learned in the
    Torah and God-fearing.
    At the close of a certain Sabbath, Joseph Pandera, attractive and like a warrior in
    appearance, having gazed lustfully upon Miriam, knocked upon the door of her room
    and betrayed her by pretending that he was her betrothed husband, Yohanan. Even so,
    she was amazed at this improper conduct and submitted only against her will.
    Thereafter, when Yohanan came to her, Miriam expressed astonishment at behavior so
    foreign to his character. It was thus that they both came to know the crime of Joseph
    Pandera and the terrible mistake on the part of Miriam. Whereupon Yohanan went to
    Rabban Shimeon ben Shetah and related to him the tragic seduction. Lacking witnesses
    required for the punishment of Joseph Pandera, and Miriam being with child, Yohanan
    left for Babylonia.[
    Miriam gave birth to a son and named him Yehshuas, after her brother. This name later
    deteriorated to Yeshus. On the eighth day he was circumcised. When he was old enough
    the lad was taken by Miriam to the house of study to be instructed in the Jewish
    tradition.
    One day Yeshu walked in front of the Sages with his head uncovered, showing
    shameful disrespect. At this, the discussion arose as to whether this behavior did not
    truly indicate that Yeshu was an illegitimate child and the son of a niddah. Moreover,
    the story tells that while the rabbis were discussing the Tractate Nezikin, he gave his
    own impudent interpretation of the law and in an ensuing debate he held that Moses
    could not be the greatest of the prophets if he had to receive counsel from Jethro. This
    led to further inquiry as to the antecedents of Yeshu, and it was discovered through
    Rabban Shimeon ben Shetah that he was the illegitimate son of Joseph Pandera. Miriam
    admitted it. After this became known, it was necessary for Yeshu to flee to Upper
    Galilee.
    After King Jannaeus, his wife Helene ruled over all Israel. In the Temple was to be
    found the Foundation Stone on which were engraven the letters of God's Ineffable
    Name. Whoever learned the secret of the Name and its use would be able to do
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    whatever he wished. Therefore, the Sages took measures so that no one should gain this
    knowledge. Lions of brass were bound to two iron pillars at the gate of the place of
    burnt offerings. Should anyone enter and learn the Name, when he left the lions would
    roar at him and immediately the valuable secret would be forgotten.
    Yeshu came and learned the letters of the Name; he wrote them upon the parchment
    which he placed in an open cut on his thigh and then drew the flesh over the parchment.
    As he left, the lions roared and he forgot the secret. But when he came to his house he
    reopened the cut in his flesh with a knife and lifted out the writing. Then he
    remembered and obtained the use of the letters.[6]
    He gathered about himself three hundred and ten young men of Israel and accused those
    who spoke ill of his birth of being people who desired greatness and power for
    themselves. Yeshu proclaimed, "I am the Messiah; and concerning me Isaiah prophesied
    and said, 'Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name
    Immanuel.'" He quoted other messianic texts, insisting, "David my ancestor prophesied
    concerning me: 'The Lord said to me, thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee.'"
    The insurgents with him replied that if Yeshu was the Messiah he should give them a
    convincing sign. They therefore, brought to him a lame man, who had never walked.
    Yeshu spoke over the man the letters of the Ineffable Name, and the leper was healed.
    Thereupon, they worshipped him as the Messiah, Son of the Highest.
    When word of these happenings came to Jerusalem, the Sanhedrin decided to bring
    about the capture of Yeshu. They sent messengers, Annanui and Ahaziah, who,
    pretending to be his disciples, said that they brought him an invitation from the leaders
    of Jerusalem to visit them. Yeshu consented on condition the members of the Sanhedrin
    receive him as a lord. He started out toward Jerusalem and, arriving at Knob, acquired
    an ass on which he rode into Jerusalem, as a fulfillment of the prophecy of Zechariah.
    The Sages bound him and led him before Queen Helene, with the accusation: "This man
    is a sorcerer and entices everyone." Yeshu replied, "The prophets long ago prophesied
    my coming: 'And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse,' and I am he; but
    as for them, Scripture says 'Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the
    ungodly.'"
    Queen Helene asked the Sages: "What he says, is it in your Torah?" They replied: "It is
    in our Torah, but it is not applicable to him, for it is in Scripture: 'And that prophet
    which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to
    speak or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.' He has
    not fulfilled the signs and conditions of the Messiah."
    Yeshu spoke up: "Madam, I am the Messiah and I revive the dead." A dead body was
    brought in; he pronounced the letters of the Ineffable Name and the corpse came to life.
    The Queen was greatly moved and said: "This is a true sign." She reprimanded the
    Sages and sent them humiliated from her presence. Yeshu's dissident followers
    increased and there was controversy in Israel.
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    Yeshu went to Upper Galilee. the Sages came before the Queen, complaining that
    Yeshu practiced sorcery and was leading everyone astray. Therefore she sent Annanui
    and Ahaziah to fetch him.
    The found him in Upper Galilee, proclaiming himself the Son of God. When they tried
    to take him there was a struggle, but Yeshu said to the men of Upper Galilee: "Wage no
    battle." He would prove himself by the power which came to him from his Father in
    heaven. He spoke the Ineffable Name over the birds of clay and they flew into the air.
    He spoke the same letters over a millstone that had been placed upon the waters. He sat
    in it and it floated like a boat. When they saw this the people marveled. At the behest of
    Yeshu, the emissaries departed and reported these wonders to the Queen. She trembled
    with astonishment.
    Then the Sages selected a man named Judas who was a new member of the secret band
    of Iscarri and brought him to the Sanctuary where he learned the letters of the lost name
    as Yeshu had done.
    When Yeshu was summoned before the queen, this time there were present also the
    Sages and Judas the Iscarri. Yeshu said: "It is spoken of me, 'I will ascend into heaven.'"
    He lifted his arms like the wings of an eagle and he flew between heaven and earth, to
    the amazement of everyone.
    The elders asked Judas Iscarri to do likewise. He did, and flew toward heaven. Iscarri
    then attempted to defeat the power of Yeshu adn thrown him down to earth. They
    struggled together but neither one of the two could prevail against the other for both
    kept pronouncing the secret name of God. However, to win the struggle, Judas Iscarri
    pissed upon Yeshu and defiled him, so that they both lost their power and fell down to
    the earth. And in their condition of defilement the letters of the Ineffable Name escaped
    from their minds. Because of this deed of Judah Iscarri his followers weep on the eve of
    the birth of Yeshu.
    Yeshu was seized by the scribes and elders. They covered his eyes with a garment so
    that he could not see placing a cable tow about his neck. He was smitten upon his head
    and face with pomegranate staves; but he could do nothing, for he no longer had the
    secret Name.
    Yeshu was taken prisoner to the synagogue of Tiberias, and they bound him to a pillar.
    To allay his thirst they gave him vinegar to drink. On his head they set a crown of
    thorns. There was strife and wrangling between the elders and the unrestrained
    followers of Yeshu, as a result of which the followers escaped with Yeshu to the region
    of Antioch[; there Yeshu remained until the eve of the Passover.
    Yeshu then resolved to go the Temple in Jerusalem to acquire again the pronounciation
    of the Name. That year the Passover came on a Sabbath day. On the eve of the Passover,
    Yeshu, accompanied by his disciples, came to Jerusalem riding upon an ass. Many
    bowed down before him. He entered the Temple with his three hundred and ten
    followers. One of them, Judas the new Iscarri informed the Pharisees that Yeshu was to
    be found in the Temple, that the disciples had taken a vow by the Ten Commandments
    not to reveal his identity but that he would point him out by giving him a kiss. So it was
    done and Yeshu was seized. Asked his name, he replied to the question by several times

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    giving the names Mattai, Nakki, Buni, Netzer, each time with a verse quoted by him and
    a counter-verse by the Sages.
    The Pharisees forced Pilate to kill Yeshu and he was put to death on the sixth hour on
    the eve of the Passover and of the Sabbath. When they tried to crucify him on a tree it
    broke, for when he had possessed the power he had pronounced by the Ineffable Name
    that no tree should hold him. He had failed to pronounce the prohibition over the
    cabbage-stalk, for it was a plant but not a tree, and on it Yehsu was crucified until the
    hour for afternoon prayer, for it is written in Scripture, "His body shall not remain all
    night upon the tree." They buried him outside the city.
    On the first day of the week his bold followers came to Queen Helene with the report
    that he who was slain was truly the Messiah and that he was not in his grave; he had
    ascended to heaven as he prophesied. Diligent search was made and he was not found in
    the grave where he had been buried. The soldiers who were guarding the tomb had been
    hurried away that morning to vacation in Babylon. When asked later about the
    disappearance of Yeshu they reported that a gardener had taken him from the grave. He
    brought his body into another secret place and buried him in the sand over which waters
    flowed into the burial garden.
    Queen Helene demanded, on threat of a severe penalty, that the body of Yeshu be
    shown to her within a period of three days. There was a great distress. When the keeper
    of the garden saw Rabbi Tanhuma, a Pharisee, walking in the field and crying over the
    decree of the Queen, the gardener related what he had done, in order that Yeshu's
    followers should not steal his body and then claim that he had ascended into heaven.
    The Pharisees dug up the body of Yehsu, tied him to the tail of a horse and dragged him
    through the streets to the Queen, with the words, "This is Yeshu who is said to have
    ascended to heaven." Realizing then that Yeshu was a false prophet who deceived the
    people and led them astray, she mocked the followers of Jeshu but praised the
    Pharisees.
    The disciples then were scattered among the nations--three went to the mountains of
    Ararat, three to Armenia, three to Rome and three to the kingdoms by the sea, They
    deceived the Gentiles, but soon they were all killed.
    The remaining followers of Jeshu amongst the twelve tribes said: "You have slain the
    Messiah of the Lord." The Pharisees answered: "You have believed in a false prophet."
    There was endless strife and discord for thirty years.
    The Pharisees desired to separate from Israel those who continued to claim Yeshu was
    the Messiah, and they called upon a greatly learned man, Simeon Cephas, for help.
    Simeon went to Antioch, main city of the Nazarenes and proclaimed to them: "I am an
    Apostle of Yeshu. He has sent me to show you the way. I will give you a sign as Yeshu
    has done."
    Simeon Cephas, having gained the secret of the secret Name of God, healed a leper and
    a lame man by means of it and thus found acceptance as a true Apostle. He told them
    that Yeshu was in heaven, at the right hand of his Father, in fulfillment of Psalm 110:1.
    He added that Yeshu desired that they separate themselves from the Pharisees and their
    religion and no longer follow their practices, as Isaiah had said, "Your new moons and
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    your feasts my soul abhorreth." They were now to observe the first day of the week
    instead of the seventh, the Resurrection instead of the Passover, the Ascension into
    Heaven instead of the Feast of Weeks, the finding of the Cross instead of the New Year,
    the ritual of baptism instead of the Day of Atonement, Christmas instead of Chanukah;
    and they were to be indifferent with regard to circumcision and the dietary laws. Also
    they were to follow the teaching of turning the right if smitten on the left and the meek
    acceptance of suffering. All these new teachings are what Simeon Cephas (or Paul, as
    he was later known) taught them. Rav Paul or often called also Saul, meant to separate
    these Nazarenes as non Jews from the people of Israel and to bring the internal strife to
    an end.

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    giving the names Mattai, Nakki, Buni, Netzer, each time with a verse quoted by him and
    a counter-verse by the Sages.
    The Pharisees forced Pilate to kill Yeshu and he was put to death on the sixth hour on
    the eve of the Passover and of the Sabbath. When they tried to crucify him on a tree it
    broke, for when he had possessed the power he had pronounced by the Ineffable Name
    that no tree should hold him. He had failed to pronounce the prohibition over the
    cabbage-stalk, for it was a plant but not a tree, and on it Yehsu was crucified until the
    hour for afternoon prayer, for it is written in Scripture, "His body shall not remain all
    night upon the tree." They buried him outside the city.
    On the first day of the week his bold followers came to Queen Helene with the report
    that he who was slain was truly the Messiah and that he was not in his grave; he had
    ascended to heaven as he prophesied. Diligent search was made and he was not found in
    the grave where he had been buried. The soldiers who were guarding the tomb had been
    hurried away that morning to vacation in Babylon. When asked later about the
    disappearance of Yeshu they reported that a gardener had taken him from the grave. He
    brought his body into another secret place and buried him in the sand over which waters
    flowed into the burial garden.
    Queen Helene demanded, on threat of a severe penalty, that the body of Yeshu be
    shown to her within a period of three days. There was a great distress. When the keeper
    of the garden saw Rabbi Tanhuma, a Pharisee, walking in the field and crying over the
    decree of the Queen, the gardener related what he had done, in order that Yeshu's
    followers should not steal his body and then claim that he had ascended into heaven.
    The Pharisees dug up the body of Yehsu, tied him to the tail of a horse and dragged him
    through the streets to the Queen, with the words, "This is Yeshu who is said to have
    ascended to heaven." Realizing then that Yeshu was a false prophet who deceived the
    people and led them astray, she mocked the followers of Jeshu but praised the
    Pharisees.
    The disciples then were scattered among the nations--three went to the mountains of
    Ararat, three to Armenia, three to Rome and three to the kingdoms by the sea, They
    deceived the Gentiles, but soon they were all killed.
    The remaining followers of Jeshu amongst the twelve tribes said: "You have slain the
    Messiah of the Lord." The Pharisees answered: "You have believed in a false prophet."
    There was endless strife and discord for thirty years.
    The Pharisees desired to separate from Israel those who continued to claim Yeshu was
    the Messiah, and they called upon a greatly learned man, Simeon Cephas, for help.
    Simeon went to Antioch, main city of the Nazarenes and proclaimed to them: "I am an
    Apostle of Yeshu. He has sent me to show you the way. I will give you a sign as Yeshu
    has done."
    Simeon Cephas, having gained the secret of the secret Name of God, healed a leper and
    a lame man by means of it and thus found acceptance as a true Apostle. He told them
    that Yeshu was in heaven, at the right hand of his Father, in fulfillment of Psalm 110:1.
    He added that Yeshu desired that they separate themselves from the Pharisees and their
    religion and no longer follow their practices, as Isaiah had said, "Your new moons and
    5
    your feasts my soul abhorreth." They were now to observe the first day of the week
    instead of the seventh, the Resurrection instead of the Passover, the Ascension into
    Heaven instead of the Feast of Weeks, the finding of the Cross instead of the New Year,
    the ritual of baptism instead of the Day of Atonement, Christmas instead of Chanukah;
    and they were to be indifferent with regard to circumcision and the dietary laws. Also
    they were to follow the teaching of turning the right if smitten on the left and the meek
    acceptance of suffering. All these new teachings are what Simeon Cephas (or Paul, as
    he was later known) taught them. Rav Paul or often called also Saul, meant to separate
    these Nazarenes as non Jews from the people of Israel and to bring the internal strife to
    an end.
    AUUUUUUUUUUU.........

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    Citat Original postavio Plutarh Pogledaj poruku
    Naime, u Talmudu je zabiljezeno da se Isus zove Jeshua bin Pandera ili bin Panthera, sto znaci da je on Panderin sin. A izvjesni rimski hronicar Celsus tvrdi, kao sto stoji i u Talmudu, da je Marija zatrudnila sa jednim rimskim vojnikom, dakle, tadasnjim okupatorom Izraela i tako je rodjen Isus. Mislim da u Talmudu takodje stoji da je ona bila prostitutka, sto, bilo tacno ili ne, objasnjava donekle zasto bi Isus bio tako naklonjen i samim prostitutkama koje su, izmedju ostalih, prema svemu sudeci, medju prvima sudjelovale u sirenju ... Hriscanstva.

    Баш си нашао њих да цитираш.Да је писац тог дела талмуда прихвати Господа Исуса Христа за месију онда не би био више јеврејин него хришћанин.

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    Citat Original postavio Plutarh Pogledaj poruku
    Pa jeste, ona mu je rekla da je bog=otac.
    A sta to imas bolje od mog uvodnog teksta, ili sta ti nije ubjedljivo?
    Mislim da Isus nije tražio oca, pa ga je našao u bogu. Nego je oduvek bio ubeđen da mu je bog otac.

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    Citat Original postavio PERICA. Pogledaj poruku
    AUUUUUUUUUUU.........
    Tu se radi Joshui iz 100 B.C znači 100 godine prije
    nove ere.
    Ne uzrajaji se čovječe.
    Glava će ti puknuti od udaranja.
    hehe

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    Citat Original postavio Zazijavalo Pogledaj poruku
    za otaj poso bilo bi dosta ući sa bičem u hram.
    исус није вређао већ показивао, да схваташ не би вато зјале.
    како објаснити оном ко не жели да схвати?

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    E dakle.....uskomesali se djavoli jer se priblizio drugi dolazak Hristov pa ga pljuju kako stignu.....Ali On je vec jednom bio na krstu za nas....Drugi put ce stradati bezumnici koji veruju vise djavolu nego Bogu...

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    Citat Original postavio jeremijabg Pogledaj poruku
    E dakle.....uskomesali se djavoli jer se priblizio drugi dolazak Hristov pa ga pljuju kako stignu.....Ali On je vec jednom bio na krstu za nas....Drugi put ce stradati bezumnici koji veruju vise djavolu nego Bogu...
    Mislis da ce ponovo sici ovde kod nas, u pakao?
    Da ce ponoviti gresku?
    Znas li kako se zove covek koji ponavlja greske?
    Pobuni se, uvek. Bez obzira na ishod.
    Makar završio u lancima.
    Jedini način da se osećaš kao čovek.

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    [QUOTE=hakim bej;11833071]Mislis da ce ponovo sici ovde kod nas, u pakao?
    Da ce ponoviti gresku?
    Znas li kako se zove covek koji ponavlja greske?[/QUOT


    Ovo kod nas je izmedju......ali ga mi otpadajuci od Boga pravimo da bude kao pakao...I pricamo o Bogu a ne coveku...

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    borac za prava namjerne evolucije (je otisao zauvijek)
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    Citat Original postavio Zazijavalo Pogledaj poruku
    Mislim da Isus nije tražio oca, pa ga je našao u bogu. Nego je oduvek bio ubeđen da mu je bog otac.
    Po "mom" tumacenju njemu samom je smetalo to sto su Jevreji smatrali da su gresni prema bogu, a to je njemu smetalo, posto se on tako nije osjecao prema njemu. I zato je "grijeh prema bogu" zamijenio "ljubavlju prema bogu". Inace, odakle mu ideja u vezi ljubavi? Zar nije malo previse idealizovanja ljubavi u svijetu? Treba da se to objasni dok nije prekasno...

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    Citat Original postavio Plutarh Pogledaj poruku
    Po "mom" tumacenju njemu samom je smetalo to sto su Jevreji smatrali da su gresni prema bogu, a to je njemu smetalo, posto se on tako nije osjecao prema njemu. I zato je "grijeh prema bogu" zamijenio "ljubavlju prema bogu". Inace, odakle mu ideja u vezi ljubavi? Zar nije malo previse idealizovanja ljubavi u svijetu? Treba da se to objasni dok nije prekasno...
    грех је према себи. несхватање себе и промашај смисла.
    мислиш да је љубав осећај кривице? или да је кривица љубав?
    нико не може да не воли, страх спречава, неповерење у своју вредност...
    како објаснити оном ко не жели да схвати?

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