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    Гледала сам на History емисију о конзулу Малију Максиму, у делу емисије је приказано племе "варвара" Кимбри, па ме чисто занима ако је неко гледао да прокоментарише, Плиније је наводио да су Кимбри били људи који су се селили узгајали стоку овце, свиње, козе и гајили сочиво, пасуљ, грах....идт...- другим речима гајили су све што и Срби.

    Не знам тачно шта је Деретић писао за Кимбре, па ако неко зна нешто више о томе било би лепо да напише....или неки видео линк да постави и слично....
    Косово је срце Србије



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    Citat Original postavio Ilinoida Pogledaj poruku
    Гледала сам на History емисију о конзулу Малију Максиму, у делу емисије је приказано племе "варвара" Кимбри, па ме чисто занима ако је неко гледао да прокоментарише, Плиније је наводио да су Кимбри били људи који су се селили узгајали стоку овце, свиње, козе и гајили сочиво, пасуљ, грах....идт...- другим речима гајили су све што и Срби.

    Не знам тачно шта је Деретић писао за Кимбре, па ако неко зна нешто више о томе било би лепо да напише....или неки видео линк да постави и слично....
    ja se iskreno nadam da se ti zezas sa ovim,jer nemogu da verujem da si punoletan-na a da ozbiljno ovo pises

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    Citat Original postavio hippy Pogledaj poruku
    pa Deretic i nije istoricar vec lazov!
    како за кога...
    Косово је срце Србије

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    Citat Original postavio ljuta_mamba Pogledaj poruku
    ja se iskreno nadam da se ti zezas sa ovim,jer nemogu da verujem da si punoletan-na a da ozbiljno ovo pises
    па ево ја сам малолетна и овако малолетна тражим да ми ти објасниш.

    Имаш ли неки аргумент и одговор и објашњење ко су били Кимбри ?
    Косово је срце Србије

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    Citat Original postavio Ilinoida Pogledaj poruku
    па ево ја сам малолетна и овако малолетна тражим да ми ти објасниш.

    Имаш ли неки аргумент и одговор и објашњење ко су били Кимбри ?
    bili su neki narod ko hiljadu pre i posle njih isto.

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    Podrazumevano Re: Кимбри - ко су били - шта каже Деретић, Плиније и остали....

    Gajili sve sto i Srbi

    Kako li su gajili pasulj kad je on iz Amerike

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimbri
    Tek kad ti komarac sleti na jaja, shvatis da se nesporazumi mogu resiti nenasilnim putem

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    Kako gajenje istih biljaka može da te navede da pomisliš da smo mi isto što i Kimbri? Pa gotovo svi evropski narodi gajili su skoro iste biljke i životinje, a to ne znači da je u pitanju isti narod sa više različitih imena...

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    Podrazumevano Re: Кимбри - ко су били - шта каже Деретић, Плиније и остали....

    Pa Srbi, šta bi bili.

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    Citat Original postavio Azathoth Pogledaj poruku
    Pa Srbi, šta bi bili.
    naravno...kako bog zapoveda

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    Podrazumevano Re: Кимбри - ко су били - шта каже Деретић, Плиније и остали....

    Kako mogu u istoj recenici da stoje Plinije i deretic I kakve veze imaju Srbi koji su se ka narod oformili jedno 700 godina prije nego su Kimbri dosli iz Danske i poharali Rimsku republiku NE PADA MI NA PAMET DA IKOGA UBJEDJUJEM DA NEMAJU, SAMO LUDAK MOZE POVEZAT KIMBRE I SRBE
    Evo sad cu postavit o Kimbrima, junacima herojima.....
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    The Cimbri people were an enigma. Virtually unknown until they appeared around 120 BC during a mass migration in search of a new homeland. They had joined with the Teutones and other tribes to swell their ranks to well over 600,000. They came in contact with the Romans, due to a dispute with Rome’s ally the Taurisci in Noricum in 113 BC. Respectfully they acknowledged the sovereignty of Rome and made a request of consul Gnaeus Papirius Carbo for land on which to settle. They offered themselves as auxiliaries to Rome should the need arise. Carbo informed them that there was no land in Noricum, but that guides would direct them to a rich and bountiful area a short march away. But Carbo had already planned an ambush to rid the world of these “barbarians”; an act that would cause Rome more pain than Carthage ever inflicted...and put Rome once again under the threat of occupation.

    “The departed heroes entered a place called Walhalla, ‘The Hall of the Dead’. Here they passed the day in battle or in the chase. At night they dined to the sounds of celestial horns; those who had fallen in the combat of that day rising fresh and unwounded to join in the revelry, and quaff metheglin from the skulls of the slain.”

    From A History of All Nations, Samuel Griswold Goodrich.
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    The Cimbri are known to have resided in the area of present day County of Himmerland, Denmark, on the northern part of the Jutland peninsula. Detailed historical authors and references still argue as to whether they were Germans or Celts. For this presentation they are to be referred to as Germania or Germans. They were of gigantic stature, (there are references to many of their warriors being seven feet in height), of fair complexion, fierce blue eyes and long yellow hair.
    Cimbri and Teutones pass into Gaul


    The Cimbri are also known or reported to have wandered over the centuries. Tales of these fierce warriors come from Spain, France, Greece, Turkey, Bulgaria, Romania, Iran, Russia and Poland. Their name means ‘warlike’ and also ‘robber’. The (Germans) were one nation never to have been completely subdued by Rome. They stopped Roman expansion in Europe by annihilating three of Rome's legions, (Varus -Teutoburger Wald), and hundreds of years later, destroyed the once mighty 'Empire' that was Rome.

    The Cimbri worshipped many gods including the moon and the sun, as well as:


    Thuisco - The founder of this race.
    Sunna - The Germanic sun goddess. (Sunday)
    Mani - The Germanic moon god. (Monday)
    Tyr - The god of single combat. (Tuesday means Tyr's day.)

    Wotan / Oden - The head of all god's. He is associated with wisdom, war, battle and death. Also magic, poetry, prophecy, victory, and the hunt. A Germanic version of Zeus (Wednesday)

    Tor – God of thunder. The Germanic version of Mars. (Thursday)
    Freja – The god of love and fertility. Wife of Oden. (Friday)
    Frej- Brother of Freja and a god of love as well. (Friday)
    Hertha - The goddess who dwells in a sacred grove by the lake.
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    Germanic peoples were divided into states or communities. Each state into cantons and each canton into hundreds, or a hundred families. They fought within their cantons to prove their valour, but also to protect their chief (graf) or family patriarch.

    “Affairs of smaller moment the chiefs determine: about matters of higher consequence the whole nation deliberates; yet in such sort, that whatever depends upon the pleasure and decision of the people, is examined and discussed by the chiefs. Where no accident or emergency intervenes, they assemble upon stated days, either, when the moon changes, or is full: since they believe such seasons to be the most fortunate for beginning all transactions. They sit down as they list, promiscuously, like a crowd, and all armed. It is by the Priests that silence is enjoined, and with the power of correction the Priests are then invested. Then the King or Chief is heard, as are others, each according to his precedence in age, or in nobility, or in warlike renown, or in eloquence; and the influence of every speaker proceeds rather from his ability to persuade than from any authority to command. If the proposition displease, they reject it by an inarticulate murmur: if it be pleasing, they brandish their javelins. The most honourable manner of signifying their assent, is to express their applause by the sound of their arms.”
    These gatherings also had some interesting, shall we say extra-curricular activities. One treat for all the members in attendance was the youngest of the cantons would dance naked amidst drawn swords and presented spears. Practise conferred skill and grace at this exercise, which was a hazardous one, but was done solely for the pleasure of the spectators.
    The other habit was playing at dice when sober, or sometimes not so sober. There are accounts that before battles, and in the line, they were rolling the dice to decide on booty. What was incredible was that after all had been gambled away, they sometimes staked their freedom on a single roll. Amazingly, these terrible warriors would meekly subject themselves to being bound and sold into servitude having lost all, land, wives, children and bondsmen at the game of chance.



    Bondsmen or slaves were given land and allowed to erect their own homes, but had to give a portion of crops or animals to their graf. They were also expected to defend him against his enemies. Most slaves and bondsmen were kindly treated by their grafs, far better than the Romans treated theirs.

    Every freedman was a warrior and was expected to have his arms ready at all times. The Germania would not even conduct business without having their weapons by their side. He was also expected to be in shape, being overweight was regarded in the same manner as cowardice, not to be tolerated and would be punished severely.

    “In the assembly it is allowed to present accusations, and to prosecute capital offences. Punishments vary according to the quality of the crime. Traitors and deserters they hang upon trees. Cowards, and sluggards, and unnatural prostitutes they smother in mud and bogs under a heap of hurdles. Such diversity in their executions has this view, that in the punishing of glaring iniquities, it behoves likewise to display them to sight; but effeminacy and pollution must be buried and concealed. In lighter transgressions too the penalty is measured by the fault, and the delinquents upon conviction are condemned to pay a certain number of horses or cattle. Part of this mulct accrues to the King or the community, part to him whose wrongs are vindicated, or to his next kindred.”

    Germania also had a very strict view on the sanctity of marriage.


    “Yet the laws of matrimony are severely observed there; nor in the whole of their manners is aught more praiseworthy than this: for they are almost the only Barbarians contented with one wife...”
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    The Cimbri also had a strict view on children.

    "To restrain generation and the increase of children is esteemed an abominable sin, as also to kill infants newly born."








    "And more powerful with them are good manners, than with other people are good laws."



    "No nation indulges more profusely in entertainments and hospitality. To exclude any human being from their roof is thought impious; every German, according to his means, receives his guest with a well-furnished table. When his supplies are exhausted, he who was but now the host becomes the guide and companion to further hospitality, and without invitation they go to the next house. It matters not; they are entertained with like cordiality. No one distinguishes between an acquaintance and a stranger, as regards the rights of hospitality. It is usual to give the departing guest whatever he may ask for, and a present in return is asked with as little hesitation. They are greatly charmed with gifts, but they expect no return for what they give, nor feel any obligation for what they receive." Tacitus
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    Some appropriate Germanic clothing.

    The latest in fur capes over top of woven mantle.

    Wolf mask for ceremonial use.

    Symbolic artifacts found in bogs. Pay close attention to the bird symbols.
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    Warfare





    “The most glaring disgrace that can befall them, is to have quitted their shield; nor to one branded with such ignominy is it lawful to join in their sacrifices, or to enter into their assemblies; and many who have escaped in the day of battle, have hanged themselves to put an end to this their infamy.”


    A Cimbri’s shield was his delight, well that and hacking an enemy to pieces. Grafs would embellish theirs with bright colours and the picture of an animal to display his own martial prowess. What at first were personal ensigns of valour became in time hereditary and eventually heraldry. The freedman refrains from decorating himself, his shield however is the object of his care and he decorates it with the liveliest of colours. To lose ones shield in battle was a mortal sin.


    “To wrongly accuse someone of losing their shield was said to be a most heinous crime punishable by fines, family excommunication, flogging or all three.”


    Most Cimbri fought naked except for a short mantle, which was a loose, sleeveless cloak or cape, others fought without their mantle and just their pants. Tearing or soiling clothing was avoided by these people, rather showing their gods that they, unadorned, were pure and would be noticed. The other advantage to fighting this way allowed unrestricted movement for throwing javelins or swinging axes, clubs or swords.






    “What proves the principal incentive to their valour is, that it is not at random nor by the fortuitous conflux of men that their troops and pointed battalions are formed, but by the conjunction of whole families, and tribes of relations.”


    They would fight in their cantons or hundreds, being that fighting alongside family and relatives would cause one to fight harder to prove their courage and prowess. These cantons would form in wedges or ‘boar heads’ to penetrate the enemy lines like a spear. Oddly, it was considered bad form to outfight ones graf on the field of battle. They would sacrifice themselves for their graf, but would not show him up.






    At the battle of Vercellae, Plutarch says the Cimbri measured just short of a 4X4 mile square and marched out to battle thusly;

    “The infantry of the Cimbri marched quietly out of their fortifications, having their flanks equal to their front; every side of the army taking up thirty furlongs. Their horse, that were in number fifteen thousand, made a very splendid appearance. They wore helmets, made to resemble the head and jaws of wild beasts, and other strange shapes, and heightening these with plumes of feathers, they made themselves appear taller than they were. They had breastplates of iron and mail and white glittering shields; and for their offensive arms every one had two darts, and when they came hand to hand, they used large and heavy swords.”







    Then……the sounds would start, from behind the army came a most unearthly noise produced by the women and priestesses. They would bang on hides stretched across the framework of their baggage wagons, then slowly the entire Cimbri would emit a low guttural roar that would rise in pitch and be enhanced when they put their mouths to their shields, and banged their weapons. Picture with your eyes closed…..300,000 men and 300,000 women roaring, wailing and banging on hides and drums, and tell me fight or flight wouldn’t enter your thoughts. For some enemy soldiers, once was enough, they refused to face it again.

    “Moreover, close to the field of battle are lodged all the nearest and most interesting pledges of nature. Hence they hear the doleful howlings of their wives, the cries of their tender infants. These are to each particular the witnesses whom he most reverences and dreads; these yield him the praise which affect him most. Their wounds and maims they carry to their mothers, or to their wives, neither are their mothers or wives shocked in telling, or in sucking their bleeding sores. Nay, to their husbands and sons whilst engaged in battle, they administer meat and encouragement.”





    Germania women were not to be taken lightly. The above passage relates their familiarity of warfare. In battles with Rome, bodies of women, equipped for battle, were found on the battlefield amongst the men. Florus and Plutarch relate what occurred during the battle of Vercellae in 101 BC.;

    “But as they pursued those who fled to their camp, they witnessed a most fearful tragedy. The women, dressed in black, stood on their wagons and slew all who fled; some their husbands, some their brethren and others their fathers. They strangled their little children, and threw them under the wheels and the feet of the cattle and then killed themselves.”




    The same occurred at Aquae Sextiae with the Teutone and Ambrone women. But most perplexing to the Romans was dealing with the dogs that refused to leave their masters and mistresses lifeless bodies.
    Their tribal confederates were the Teutones, Amburones, Tigurines, Boii and the Helvetti. The known Cimbri Chiefs were, Boiorix , Gaesorix and Lugius.


    What has been reported as tactics used by the Cimbri but you will not see in game:


    The youngest and fleetest of foot would accompany the cavalry to;

    A) Rescue a wounded rider, or if the rider was killed outright, mount the horse and continue the fight.
    B) Follow the rider into a melee and strike an opponent / or opponents horse from below while they are occupied with their own rider.
    C) Hold to the edges to take down any fleeing enemy.

    It has been reported the Cimbri used chariots as did their Belgic cousins. However, it was observed that they were mainly used to transport troops into a fight, or pull wounded warriors out. It has also been reported that drums were mounted on these chariots which, when beaten, created a formidable sound.

    The Cimbri had, believe it or not......Battle Wagons. Carts / wagons were wrapped in saplings and drawn up close to the lines. During various stages of battle women, yes women, would pop up and fire arrows at the enemy. They would hide and pop up, hide and pop up. Remarkable for a group of 'barbarians' don't you think?
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    @podgorickimali hvala ti i u moje ime. Po mom misljenju je ovo nacin na koji teba ucestvovati na nekom forumu.
    Ilinoida je postavila pitanje i podgoricki mali se potrudio da joj odgovori, znaci pomogao je nekom da nadje odgovor na pitanje koje ga muci. Svaka cast.

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    Hvala evo jos malo....
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