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    The Vatican has admitted that Charles Darwin was on the right track when he claimed that Man descended from apes.

    A leading official declared yesterday that Darwin’s theory of evolution was compatible with Christian faith, and could even be traced to St Augustine and St Thomas Aquinas. “In fact, what we mean by evolution is the world as created by God,” said Archbishop Gianfranco Ravasi, head of the Pontifical Council for Culture. The Vatican also dealt the final blow to speculation that Pope Benedict XVI might be prepared to endorse the theory of Intelligent Design, whose advocates credit a “higher power” for the complexities of life.

    Organisers of a papal-backed conference next month marking the 150th anniversary of Darwin’s On the Origin of Species said that at first it had even been proposed to ban Intelligent Design from the event, as “poor theology and poor science”. Intelligent Design would be discussed at the fringes of the conference at the Pontifical Gregorian University, but merely as a “cultural phenomenon”, rather than a scientific or theological issue, organisers said.

    The conference is seen as a landmark in relations between faith and science. Three years ago advocates of Intelligent Design seized on the Pope’s reference to an “intelligent project” as proof that he favoured their views.


    Conceding that the Church had been hostile to Darwin because his theory appeared to conflict with the account of creation in Genesis, Archbishop Ravasi argued yesterday that biological evolution and the Christian view of Creation were complementary.

    Marc Leclerc, who teaches natural philosophy at the Gregorian University, said that no scholar could “remain indifferent” to the 200th anniversary of Darwin’s birth tomorrow. There was, however, “no question of celebrating” it.

    The Vatican would “take the measure of an event, which has left its mark for ever on the history of science and has influenced the way we understand our humanity”. The “time has come for a rigorous and objective valuation” of Darwin by the Church, he said.

    Professor Leclerc said that too many opponents of Darwin – above all Creationists – had mistakenly claimed that his theories were “totally incompatible with a religious vision of reality”, as did proponents of Intelligent Design.

    Darwin’s theories had never been formally condemned by the Roman Catholic Church, Monsignor Ravasi insisted. His rehabilitation had begun as long ago as 1950, when Pius XII described evolution as a valid scientific approach to the development of humans. In 1996 John Paul II said that it was “more than a hypothesis”.

    Father Giuseppe Tanzella-Nitti, Professor of Theology at the Pontifical Santa Croce University in Rome, said that Darwin had been anticipated by St Augustine of Hippo. The 4th-century theologian had “never heard the term evolution, but knew that big fish eat smaller fish” and that forms of life had been transformed “slowly over time”. Aquinas had made similar observations in the Middle Ages, he added.


    He said it was time that theologians as well as scientists grappled with the mysteries of genetic codes and “whether the diversification of life forms is the result of competition or cooperation between species”. As for the origins of Man, although we shared 97 per cent of our “genetic inheritance” with apes, the remaining 3 per cent “is what makes us unique”, including religion.

    “I maintain that the idea of evolution has a place in Christian theology,” Professor Tanzella-Nitti added.

    Creationism remains powerful in the US, however, notably among Protestants, and its followers object to evolution being taught in state schools.

    The Church of England is seeking to bring Darwin back into the fold with a page on its website paying tribute to his “forgotten” work in his local parish, to illustrate how science and Church need not be at odds. Several pages celebrate Darwin’s “significant scientific progress” to mark his bicentenary and also the 150th anniversary of On the Origin of Species.

    The Church wants to correct the impression that Darwin’s relationship with Anglicanism was contentious. The Anglican Church as a whole did not condemn Darwin or his beliefs. It says that although he lost his faith, he did not become antiChurch or antireligious.



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    Sace , evo stize dolazi, jos malo pa gotovo ............Ujedinjenje

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    koga? cega? genitiv...?

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    Citat Original postavio flpflp Pogledaj poruku
    Sace , evo stize dolazi, jos malo pa gotovo ............Ujedinjenje
    Cekaj da i ovi drugi priznaju
    Tek kad ti komarac sleti na jaja, shvatis da se nesporazumi mogu resiti nenasilnim putem

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    Citat Original postavio flpflp Pogledaj poruku
    Sace , evo stize dolazi, jos malo pa gotovo ............Ujedinjenje
    kakvo ujedinjenje?

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    kakvo ujedinjenje?
    KC i SPC

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    kakvu si nam kosku bacio

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    Citat Original postavio Jacob Pogledaj poruku
    Cekaj da i ovi drugi priznaju
    Malo to da se pogura i gotova stvar, ondaK ostaju samo ziloti kao poslednji Mohikanac

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    Citat Original postavio flpflp Pogledaj poruku
    KC i SPC
    mislis KC i PC? to si hteo reci?

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    evolucionista i kreacionista; ovi potonji su skapirali da je coek... kreiran...duze nego sto su pretpostavljali

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    Citat Original postavio M-1980 Pogledaj poruku
    mislis KC i PC? to si hteo reci?
    Ja sam htela reci, ne brinem ja za druge PC iskljucivo za ovu navedenu.

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    Citat Original postavio flpflp Pogledaj poruku
    Ja sam htela reci, ne brinem ja za druge PC iskljucivo za ovu navedenu.

    Personal Computer...sta mu je...da nije memorija?

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    Citat Original postavio Vragana Pogledaj poruku
    evolucionista i kreacionista; ovi potonji su skapirali da je coek... kreiran...duze nego sto su pretpostavljali
    Vidis da ce skoro "Ujedinjenje"

    I Papa preuzeo stari pravoslavni obicaj - ako ne mozes da ih pobedis pridruzi im se,prilepi sta mozes na svoju teoriju i uzivaj
    Tek kad ti komarac sleti na jaja, shvatis da se nesporazumi mogu resiti nenasilnim putem

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    Citat Original postavio Jacob Pogledaj poruku
    Vidis da e skoro "Ujedinjenje"

    I Papa preuzeo stari pravoslavni obicaj
    - ako ne mozes da ih pobedis pridruzi im se,prilepi sta mozes na svoju teoriju i uzivaj
    jbte, a ja mislila to njegov patent

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    Citat Original postavio Vragana Pogledaj poruku
    Personal Computer...sta mu je...da nije memorija?
    Lici, ali su podaci pogresni, virus sta li je?

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    Lici, ali su podaci pogresni, virus sta li je?
    staros' moja ti...staros' je neumoljiv virus; vrijeme ga...pregazilo...nacisto

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    Citat Original postavio Vragana Pogledaj poruku
    jbte, a ja mislila to njegov patent
    Pa sad,nek se tuze za patent
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    Citat Original postavio flpflp Pogledaj poruku
    Ja sam htela reci, ne brinem ja za druge PC iskljucivo za ovu navedenu.
    kako god....
    priznajem da sam manje-vise ravnodusna

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    Kakvu knjizicu? Na sunce, priznaj sve dok nije kasno? Biblija?

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    Pa sad,nek se tuze za patent
    jes, dok se muslimani baskare po naftonosnim poljima...sutra malo

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    uostalom..bolje bilo kakvo ujedinjenje nego novo razjedinjenje.....

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    Kako li ce mita da reaguje na ovo,znajuci koliko vole amere

    Many observers of the religion versus science battleground are surprised to learn that the Roman Catholic Church has been relatively positive about the theory of evolution for more than half a century. Pope Pius XII backed research into and discussions about the “doctrine of evolution” in his 1950 encyclical Humani generis, when he referred to the origin of the body from “preexistent and living matter”, but it was Pope John Paul II who really surprised the world when he recognised evolution as “more than a hypothesis” in a speech to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences in 1996. Scientific discoveries added up to a “significant argument” in favour of the theory of evolution, he said.

    The real battle taking place now is not between scientists and believers, but between different sets of Christian believers, and what they are teaching their children. This is where the international conference at the Gregorian university marking the 150th anniversary of the publication of On the Origin of Species by Charles Darwin, below, and the 200th anniversary of his birth gets interesting.

    Intelligent design, the “thinking man’s creation”, is being put on the table for inquisition, probably to be condemned. The Catholic Church, in particular in the US, where Catholic schools have for decades taught the theory of evolution in science classes, is fighting back against fundamentalists demanding that “intelligent design” be given equal status with the theory of evolution on the curriculum.

    These fundamentalists come from across the Protestant spectrum, a group of “ecclesial communities” that the present Pope, in his previous incarnation as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, dismissed as “not proper Churches”. Although intelligent design is to be discussed at the conference, it will be considered as a cultural, rather than scientific, theological or philosophical phenomenon.
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5705333.ece
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    staros' moja ti...staros' je neumoljiv virus; vrijeme ga...pregazilo...nacisto
    Sad cu jos i da se sazalim..........

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    Kako li ce mita da reaguje na ovo,znajuci koliko vole amere



    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5705333.ece
    eee...dok to Miti prevedu na srBski...

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    Sad cu jos i da se sazalim..........
    upali mu svijecu....u nedostaku iste mos' i mahat upaljacom

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