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Isus (pod pretpostavkom za svrhu ove rasprave da je putujući propovednik po tome nazivu jednom postojao) je živeo u vreme velike lakovernost i verskog zanosa. Praznoverje je bio duboko ukorenjen u svakodnevne živote milionima ljudi - pismenost i kritički skepticizam nije - svakako ne u odnosu na osvetuljubive i nepredvidljive bogove čija ljutnja može biti upotrebljena nad nespremne bez očitih razloga. Prosečan građanin je bio potpuno nemoćan; propitivanje autoriteta rietko je nailazilo na prosvetljenu i samilosnu reakciju. Ljudi te regije imaju istoriju ekstremne podloznosti na bilo koje i svakakvo novo praznoverje koje naidje.

Pa svejedno, ovaj putujući propovednik imao je bandu od 12 ljudi koji su ga pratili.To postavlja pitanje - što su ti momci radili po ceo dan? Tih 12 usta je morao hraniti ili su samo visili oko njega uokolo, i slusali svaku rec, (mada nikad nijednu nisu zapisali),? Kao putujući propovednici danas, njegovi saradnici bi imali dužnosti poput onih u koji idu kao prethodnica u neko mesto , nose torbe, pronalaze smeštaj, skupiljaju ogrev, kuvaju, postavljenje plakata, upravljanje odnosima s javnošću, davanje mita, naplata dugova, organizovati dozvole, pronalazenje prostorija, kao i hiljade drugih ad hoc zadataka.

Mozda su neke od njihovih dužnosti više poput onih,kao osoblja putujucih vraceva,lecenje pred publikom osoba biljkama koji su se čudesno izliečili iznova u svakom gradu.

U svakom slučaju, lako se može verovati da su barem deo svojih dana provodili radeci ponekad zamorne poslove zajednickie svim putujucim predstavama- stvari poput nalaženja i pripremanja hrane za njegovu ekipu, prikupljanje i upravljanje novcem, vođenje prometa, sigurnosti, kao što je odredjivanje ko od publike ima pristup "sinu tvorca svemira", itd. Očigledno, ponekad su u to bile uključene "specijalne dužnosti".

Luka 19, stihovi 29 - 36.

29. I kad se približi Vitfazi i Vitaniji kod gore koja se zvaše Maslinska, posla dva od učenika svojijeh

30. Govoreći: Idite u to selo prema vama, i kad uđete u njega naći ćete magare privezano na koje nikakav čovjek nikad nije usjedao; odriješite ga i dovedite.

31. I ako vas ko upita: za što driješite? ovako mu kažite: ono Gospod treba.

32. A kad otidoše poslani, nađoše kao što im kaza.

33. A kad oni driješahu magare rekoše im gospodari od njega: Za što driješite magare?

34. A oni rekoše: Ono Gospodu treba.

35. I dovedoše ga k Isusu, i baciše haljine svoje na magare, i posadiše Isusa.

36. A kad iđaše, prostirahu haljine svoje po putu.


Sta se moze zakljuciti iz ovog oskudnog izvora?Gledajući ovo znajuci ljudsko ponašanje ovako to izgleda meni. Jesus and his crew stopped outside a small town to scope it out and make some plans. Isus i njegova ekipa se zaustavio izvan malog grada uda ga osmotri i sprovede neke planove.

Izgleda da je u jedan od tih planova bila uključena "odresivanje" magareta iz grada bez prethodnog odobrenja ili obavestenja njegovog vlasnika. Danas, to je poznato kao "krađa" i do nedavno se vesalo za to.

Isus kaza dvojici svojih ljudi da idu u grad gde ce naći magare. Rekao im je da uzmu magare i dovedu ga k njemu bez da ih neko vidi, ali ako su vidjeni, da obaveste vlasnika da uzimaju njegovo magare za njihovog šefa, dečko koji je navodno imao dovoljno repa (i nepromišljenih 12 " sledbenika ", spremnih da učine sve što "Sin Božji "može zahtevati od njih) da su ljudi jednostavno predavali "plen" (magare) bez borbe.

Tako su otišli do grada, gde je bilo magare tog tipa, i počeli da ga vode sa sobom,kada ih je momak primetio i pita ih sta dovraga oni misle da rad. I tako, oni "objasne" liku kako ce biti.Moze se reci da su mu dali ponudu koju nije mogao odbiti. Ukratko, tip popusti i oni odlaze s magaretom što je, za mnoge ljude u tom delu sveta, u one dane, bio veliki i nezamenjiv deo njihove imovine. Zvuči kao da je,popustio iz straha.

Na kraju, napravili su cebe za jahanje od njihove odjeće - iako je malo neobično da je navodnom sinu boga potreban bilo magarac ili nesto mekano da mu se ne nazulja guza dok jase - ali tek tada je postalo jos cudnije. Zašto su širili svoje haljine na putu nije objasnjeno u sledećim stihovima. Zvuči kao hir mladog srednjovjekovnog princa koji bi terao svoje sluge da rade tako nesto iz dosade.Koliko li su kilometara to radili pitam se?

Dakle imamo - zaveru, prisilu, i kradju.

Rick Wingrove
 
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Prevedoh specijalno za mitu,jer ne zna engleski z:lol:

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Jesus (assuming for the purpose of this argument that a traveling evangelist by that name once existed) lived in a time of great gullibility and religious fervor. Superstition was deeply ingrained into the everyday lives of the millions - literacy and critical skepticism were not - certainly not in regards to vengeful and unpredictable gods whose ire could be unleashed upon the unwary for no apparent reason. The average citizen was entirely powerless; questioning authority seldom evoked an enlightened and compassionate reaction. The people of that region have a history of extreme susceptibility to any and every new superstition that came along.

So anyway, this particular itinerant preacher had a gang of 12 guys who followed him around. That raises the question - what did these guys do all day? Were these 12 mouths he had to feed just mindless adoring sycophants, following him around, hanging on every word, (though never writing any of it down), and receiving food like manna from heaven, or did they have to earn their keep and deal with daily pressures, necessities, and irritations? Like traveling preachers of today, his staff might have had the duties like those of advance men and roadies who go on ahead, carry the bags, find accommodations, gather firewood, cook, put up posters, manage public relations, grease palms, call in favors, arrange permits, find venues, and a thousand other ad hoc chores.

Or were some of their duties more like those of Medicine Show crowd plants who were miraculously cured anew in every town. (We do know that some of their tricks of the trade, like bringing dead people back to life, might have played to the country peasants in those days but don't fly anymore. And faith healing? Petty magic and the stuff of tricksters and charlatans - it only works on the ignorant and superstitious, and even then it doesn't last.)

At any rate, one could easily believe that at least parts of their days were filled with sometimes mundane duties involved in the support of a traveling faith healing show - things like finding and preparing food for his posse, collecting and handling money, managing transportation, security duties such as screening access to the son of the creator of the universe, etc. Apparently, sometimes those duties included "special ops". While searching for a bible passage, my eyes fell upon a most curious account in Luke 19, verses 29 - 36.

19:29 And it came to pass, when he was come nigh to Bethphage and Bethany, at the mount called the mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples,
19:30 Saying, Go ye into the village over against you; in the which at your entering ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither.
19:31 And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him.
19:32 And they that were sent went their way, and found even as he had said unto them.
19:33 And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt?
19:34 And they said, The Lord hath need of him.
19:35 And they brought him to Jesus: and they cast their garments upon the colt, and they set Jesus thereon.
19:36 And as he went, they spread their clothes in the way.

What are we to glean from this sparse account? Looking at this with an eye on known human behavior modes, here is what it looks like to me. Jesus and his crew stopped outside a small town to scope it out and make some plans. Apparently these plans involved the removal of a horse (colt) from the town without prior approval or notification of the owner. Today, this is known as 'theft' and is a hanging offense. Jesus told two of his men to go into the town and where they would find a horse. He told them to get the horse and bring it to him without being seen, but if they were seen, to inform the guy that they were taking his horse to their boss, a guy who apparently had enough of a rep (and 12 mindless "followers", work hardened and ready to do whatever the "son of god" might require of them) that people would simply hand over their loot without a struggle.

So they went to town, located this guy's horse, and started to make off with it when the guy spots them and comes running out to find out what the hell they think they are doing. So, they 'splain to the guy how it's gonna be. I guess you could say they made him an offer he couldn't refuse. Long story short, the guy caves and they depart with what, for many people in that part of the world in those days, would have been a large and indispensable part of their net worth. Sounds like he was acting out of fear.

Lastly, they made a riding blanket out of their clothing - so far so good, although it is a little surprising that the alleged son of god would require either a horse or padding for his own butt - but then it just got weird. Why they were spreading their clothes in the way is not addressed in following verses. Sounds like something that a petulant young medieval prince might have had his minions do out of boredom. Makes me wonder how many miles they kept that up.

Boiled down, this has conspiracy, coercion, and grand theft written all over it. I'm not sure exactly how the ancients viewed such questionable activities as horse thievery, but where I come from, that would have gotten a person hanged a lot faster than religious scammery.

Conclusion

And that is exactly what happened. It turns out that local constabularies of the day viewed thievery very harshly. Imprisonment, torture, and cruel executions were common even for petty offenses. It seems to me that there is a likelihood that this traveling preacher simply ran afoul of the law, got caught and got hung, so to speak.

Now the large number of people who actually believe the jesus fable will tell you that he was tortured and crucified like a common criminal for his beliefs. The adamantly religious are rarely objective, and are sometimes plain ol' dishonest in their public assessment of their figureheads. Looks to me like his followers and the biblical revisionists who came later may have glossed over any illegalities committed by this pack of unemployed religioneers, and painted his incarceration as if he were an innocent, unjustly imprisoned, and badly treated religious/political prisoner, Luke 19 notwithstanding.

It's like an old TV show I saw where a Howard was telling Bob about a guy who had parked illegally and was now in prison.
Bob asked incredulously, " He's in prison for illegal parking?".
Howard said "Yeah! ... that and he killed a guy."

So, yes Jesus was executed for his religious views - that and he stole a horse.
 
Daklem, kao što rekosmo, magare je bez mnogo pardona bilo smotano, drmnuto, ukradeno, prisvojeno...
Slučajni svedoci dovedeni su u zabludu jer se nije radilo o stripu, pa nisu mogli da vide kako su lopovi rekli Gospod. Mislili su da je reč o gospodaru magarca. z:shock:

Svrha odeće bila je da se prikrije magarčev izgled da potera ne bi mogla da ga prepozna. A odeća koja je bacana mgarcu pred noge trebalo je da spreči ostavljanje tragova na zemlji.
E, tako. :mrgreen:
 
Hoće seljak da popravi štalu, ali ne zna kuda će sa magarcem. Ode kod komšije i pita ga:
• Može li moj magarac da prenoći u tvojoj štali dok ja svoju popravim?
• Nemam ništa protiv, ali ja imam jednog bika koji skače na sve živo. Jedino rešenje je da magarca pokrijemo belim čaršavom da ga bik ne bi video - odgovori komšija.
Tako i uradiše. Dođe ujutro seljak u štalu, a tamo samo bik - magarca nema. Ide on po selu i pita ljude jesu li videli magarca pokrivenog caršavom... Niko ništa nije video, ali u tom naiđe prolaznik i reče mu da je na kraju sela video magarca - ali ne pokrivenog čaršavom nego sa maramicom u guzi.
 
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Zapravo, mlado od magareta je dio proročanstva starog 650 godina koje je do detalja najavilo ovaj događaj, a koje se ispunilo upravo tada. U ono vrijeme bila je čast za svakog Jevrejina ako je svojom imovinom mogao poslužiti Gospodu, a ne nikakva specijalna šteta, jer magare, nije ukradeno, niti oteto, već vraćeno svom vlasniku, jer obično, glupavo, osnovnoškolko pitanje je bilo: šta se desilo sa magaretom kada je završen sav taj događaj? Učenici su ga pojeli? ili Maca? ili Recesija???

Ako ostaviš magare na sred brda, ili u sred sela, i počne padati mrak, magare će se vratit u svoju štalu. I Krava. I konj. I to sami, bez pomoći ljudi.

To jedino čovjek ne zna da uradi, on će ostati da leži u kanalu mrtav pijan, i da se valja u blatu, rađe nego da se pokaje i kaže: Bože pomozi mi da ne budem više budala da mi se smije čitavi svijet.

Prostiranje marama ispred magareta je događaj koji je u tradiciji Jevrejskog naroda značio da se kruniše Car. A Isus je tada došao kao Car, i kao Bog i ispunio proročanstvo.

Mngo je jednostavnije je nego što izgleda u jednom kabare skeču z:dm5:
 
turizamcg:
Zapravo, mlado od magareta je dio proročanstva starog 650 godina koje je do detalja najavilo ovaj događaj, a koje se ispunilo upravo tada. U ono vrijeme bila je čast za svakog Jevrejina ako je svojom imovinom mogao poslužiti Gospodu, a ne nikakva specijalna šteta, jer magare, nije ukradeno, niti oteto, već vraćeno svom vlasniku, jer obično, glupavo, osnovnoškolko pitanje je bilo: šta se desilo sa magaretom kada je završen sav taj događaj? Učenici su ga pojeli? ili Maca? ili Recesija???

Ako ostaviš magare na sred brda, ili u sred sela, i počne padati mrak, magare će se vratit u svoju štalu. I Krava. I konj. I to sami, bez pomoći ljudi.

To jedino čovjek ne zna da uradi, on će ostati da leži u kanalu mrtav pijan, i da se valja u blatu, rađe nego da se pokaje i kaže: Bože pomozi mi da ne budem više budala da mi se smije čitavi svijet.

Prostiranje marama ispred magareta je događaj koji je u tradiciji Jevrejskog naroda značio da se kruniše Car. A Isus je tada došao kao Car, i kao Bog i ispunio proročanstvo.

Mngo je jednostavnije je nego što izgleda u jednom kabare skeču z:dm5:
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Daklem, govorimo o krivičnom delu "pozajmice". Ovo je kao krivično delo definisano negde sedamdesetih godina kada su automobile počeli iz zabave da kradu sinovi važnih partijskih faca. Do tada je bilo poznato kao krivično delo "krađa".

Pa normalno da je postojalo "proročanstvo". Da nije bilo zapisano tamo, ni na pamet mu ne bi padalo da izvodi ovu farsu.

Da li bi Isus bio manje božji sin da je ušetao peške ili da ga je uneo Petar "na krkače"?
 
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