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    What the Russian papers say

    20:00 | 27/ 11/ 2008

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    MOSCOW, November 27 (RIA Novosti)
    NATO searches for way to accelerate Ukraine and Georgia's accession/ Ukraine to redeploy its troops to Russian borders/EU not ready for expansion to post-Soviet countries/Russia tests new intercontinental ballistic missile

    Kommersant

    NATO searches for way to accelerate Ukraine and Georgia's accession

    Georgia and Ukraine yesterday discussed the latest statements by U.S. officials who said the NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP) was not necessary to gain accession to the alliance.
    However, Washington has not disclosed the meaning of the phrase "other instruments" that could be used to become a bloc member.
    The newspaper's source at the NATO headquarters said: "The MAP is not the main principle of joining NATO. It is only an instrument helping aspirants to prepare for accession. The fundamental principle is the country's desire to become a NATO member and its compliance with the alliance's main requirements."
    A source in Brussels said serious discussions on the issue were underway among NATO members.
    NATO spokesman James Appathurai said: "The allies are discussing, literally right now, how to take forward NATO's relationship with these two countries."
    Western media reported that the Bush administration is pushing for the two countries' admission to NATO before Barack Obama assumes office.
    Dmitry Rogozin, Russia's envoy to NATO, said the U.S. efforts were designed "to complicate the advance of the Obama administration."
    He hopes the NATO foreign ministers, who are to meet in Brussels on December 2-3, "will take a decision in the interests of their countries and European security despite the appeals of [Condoleezza] Rice."
    Georgia and Ukraine do not expect the meeting to reach a breakthrough decision.
    Koba Liklikadze, a Georgian military expert, said: "The idea that the MAP is not crucial for accession was voiced not long ago. Everyone says the U.S. is lobbying for the possibility. But it also lobbied for including Ukraine and Georgia into the MAP at the Bucharest summit in April, yet failed to ensure a consensus on the issue."
    Ukrainian analysts recall that the Bucharest summit decided Ukraine must comply with two requirements to be included in the MAP, i.e., ensure public support for NATO accession and unity of the country's political elite.
    "Unfortunately, the problem remains," Ilko Kucheriv, a member of the expert council at the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, said.

    Izvestia, Gazeta.ru

    Ukraine to redeploy its troops to Russian borders

    Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko has made two key decisions - to allow the movement of NATO troops across Ukrainian territory and to redeploy its troops to Ukraine's eastern borders, along which he had dug a ditch to a depth of 1.5 meters.
    Defense Minister Yuri Yekhanurov explained the steps following the August conflict in South Ossetia and said plans for troop movement could be ready by the weekend.
    Analysts believe the idea will remain on paper.
    Ukrainian opposition deputies told Izvestia that Yushchenko is laying a trap for himself by provoking Moscow at a time when no price has been agreed for Russian gas to Ukraine.
    The main reason why analysts doubt the president's plans are that Ukraine lacks the finances for such a massive redeployment.
    The Ukrainian Russian-language newspaper Delo says that armed forces budget for next year will be cut from 17 billion hryvnas to 12 billion to 15 billion hryvnas, with inflation factored out.
    "The money is not and will not be available. It will be good if they have enough to pay the miners, teachers and service personnel," Vladimir Kornilov, director of the Ukrainian branch of the Institute of the CIS Countries, told Gazeta.ru.
    In addition, the analyst said a decision to station military units is the prerogative of local administration. "Local councils in the eastern regions are unlikely to harbor anti-Russian attitudes," he added.
    The actual redeployment began last year when missile systems were moved from southwestern to eastern regions. However, regardless of whether or not these plans get off the ground, the topic will still feature in public statements. "President Yushchenko has opted for anti-Russian rhetoric for his election campaign, because it would have been strange to expect anything else from him," Kornilov said.
    "This is more a demonstration of readiness for the benefit of the West and it is too early to talk about any real redeployment," said Vitaly Tsymbal, a military analyst with the Institute of the Economy in Transition.
    He believes grandiose public statements by Ukrainian politicians are anticipating the day when Ukraine will get an answer to its question on whether it will be allowed to go through the Membership Action Plan, or will be invited to join NATO right away.
    Such steps are designed to demonstrate that Ukraine has set its sights on NATO and Europe and so is not very friendly with Russia, Kornilov agreed.
    "This is no more than a gesture," said Anatoly Tsyganok, head of the military forecasting center at the Institute of Political and Military Analysis. "Actually, no one really believes the Ukrainian army is ready for a military engagement with the Russians."

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    Daj boze da ce ga biti................

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    nayebace samo ukrajinci i ostale podguzne muve koje zapad koristi..ako se ne opamete i okanu chachkanja mechke
    ko i Gruzija
    ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS EXCEPT EUROPA. ATTEMPT NO LANDINGS THERE.

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    Podrazumevano Re: NATO vs Rusija? Je li na pomolu 3svetski rat?

    Neko rece da treba da udjemo u NATO ?

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    Па само што изјавише...

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    Medvedev ‘glad’ NATO expansion put on hold

    Dmitry Medvedev has welcomed a decision by the U.S. not to push Georgia and Ukraine into NATO using the alliance’s so-called membership action plan (MAP). The Russian President said he was “glad” that “common sense prevailed” in the end.

    Speaking in Cuba on the final leg of his South American tour, Medvedev said he didn’t know how Washington “came to this conclusion”, but said he was relieved wisdom had won the day “at least at the end of this administration’s term.”

    "Whether they finally listened to Europe or someone else, the main thing is that this idea will not be pushed forward with such frenzy and futility as it was a short time ago,” Medvedev said.

    On Wednesday, the U.S. Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice, admitted that Georgia and Ukraine are not ready to become NATO members. She said Washington would not insist on granting NATO membership to Georgia and Ukraine at the alliance's ministerial meeting in Brussels next week.

    However, she said that MAP is not the only way to get into NATO, pointing out that neither Poland nor the Czech Republic were part of the plan.

    Rice also said that the idea of admitting Ukraine and Georgia to NATO, by-passing existing procedures, had come from Britain and not from the U.S.

    The aim of the British initiative, she said, was to consider other ways of fulfilling the Bucharest Declaration, which said that Georgia and Ukraine would eventually join NATO.

    The U.S. Secretary of State believes NATO's dialogue with Kiev and Tbilisi could be stepped up through corresponding bilateral commissions.

    Russia strongly opposes the eastward expansion of NATO, saying it violates previous agreements and would inevitably lead to an imbalance of power in the region.

    NATO set up the alliance membership action plan programme in 1999 in order to support prospective members of the alliance while they carry out the economic, legal, military and political reforms needed to join.

    The latest NATO expansion saw Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania come on board in 2004.

    The opposition of Germany and France to offering MAP status to Ukraine and Georgia is thought to have influenced the United States's decision.

    http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/33909
    “Mors tua, vita mea”

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    Podrazumevano Re: NATO vs Rusija? Je li na pomolu 3svetski rat?

    Može da ga bude, a i ne mora.. samo nas da ne diraju i meni dobro.
    Bitches I like em brainless. Guns I like em stainless steel.

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    Podrazumevano Re: NATO vs Rusija? Je li na pomolu 3svetski rat?

    Ma kakvi. Ukrajina i Gruzija ce uci u NATO kad na vrbi rodi grozdje (prvi zato sto je samo gradjanstvo protiv toga, a drugi zato sto imaju neresena teritorijalna pitanja i uspeli su da izaberu za predsednika tri psihopate za redom), a sve i da se to desi, zbog toga sigurno nece doci do nuklearnog holokausta. Hebiga, nije vredno toga.

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    Podrazumevano Re: NATO vs Rusija? Je li na pomolu 3svetski rat?

    Овде кажу да је почео
    http://www.threeworldwars.com/overview.htm

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    Podrazumevano Re: NATO vs Rusija? Je li na pomolu 3svetski rat?

    Биће скоро пропаст света,
    нек` пропадне није штета...
    Но без медведя нет тайги, без тайги нет Сибири, без Сибири нет России, без России весь мир сирота.

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    Podrazumevano Re: NATO vs Rusija? Je li na pomolu 3svetski rat?

    Samo da nas ne diraju...

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    Citat Original postavio Reckless Pogledaj poruku
    Samo da nas ne diraju...


    ko vas da dira?? pa vas ne mogu ni da nadju na karti!!

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    Citat Original postavio SiIent Bob Pogledaj poruku
    Može da ga bude, a i ne mora.. samo nas da ne diraju i meni dobro.

    Citat Original postavio Reckless Pogledaj poruku
    Samo da nas ne diraju...

    Јел' стварно мислите да ако би почео трећи светски рат нас не би дирали??

    Вас двојица (засад) ме подсећате на нојеве...

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    ko vas da dira?? pa vas ne mogu ni da nadju na karti!!
    Utoliko bolje

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    Citat Original postavio SURbel Pogledaj poruku
    Јел' стварно мислите да ако би почео трећи светски рат нас не би дирали??

    Вас двојица (засад) ме подсећате на нојеве...
    Mogu se nadati.
    Bitches I like em brainless. Guns I like em stainless steel.

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    ko vas da dira?? pa vas ne mogu ni da nadju na karti!!

    Ти, Кришто, број парице док можеш и ћути...

    Зар Србију - центар света не могу да нађу на карти?

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    Utoliko bolje

    .............al zato mi mozemo

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    Citat Original postavio jevropa Pogledaj poruku
    .............al zato mi mozemo
    Naravno, vi imate oko sokolovo, samo se nemojte zalijetati, jer je i vas tesko naci

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    Citat Original postavio Reckless Pogledaj poruku
    Naravno, vi imate oko sokolovo, samo se nemojte zalijetati, jer je i vas tesko naci

    ...........necemo,jer bi mogli upasti u more...................toooooooooliko ste veliki

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    Citat Original postavio jevropa Pogledaj poruku
    ...........necemo,jer bi mogli upasti u more...................toooooooooliko ste veliki
    O tome ti i govorim, da ne podletite

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    Citat Original postavio olympiakos Pogledaj poruku
    Daj boze da ce ga biti................
    Ameri gde god su videli rusku tehniku, pocistili su je metlom....
    Well, of course it's a rat! You have rats in Spain, don't you - or did Franco have them all shot?

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    Citat Original postavio Svabov Pogledaj poruku
    Ameri gde god su videli rusku tehniku, pocistili su je metlom....
    Ауууууууууу, каква изјава.........

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    Ameri gde god su videli rusku tehniku, pocistili su je metlom....

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    Citat Original postavio Svabov Pogledaj poruku
    Ameri gde god su videli rusku tehniku, pocistili su je metlom....
    evo ga jos jedan......


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    Citat Original postavio manje_zlo Pogledaj poruku
    Ауууууууууу, каква изјава.........
    Od Koreje, do Iraka.....
    Well, of course it's a rat! You have rats in Spain, don't you - or did Franco have them all shot?

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    Citat Original postavio Svabov Pogledaj poruku
    Od Koreje, do Iraka.....
    Довољно си паметан да схватиш колику си глупост извалио, не терај ме да ти објашњавам

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