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    Dear Mrs. Weber, Ladies and Gentlemen,



    we should like to inform you of the current developments re. our campaign for the Serbian Stray animals.



    http://serbiananimalsvoice.wordpress.com/2008/09/15/campaigns-move-on-this-week-15th-september-for-the-animals-of-serbia/



    (Please also refer to the attached documents)



    You have been informed of the situation and our efforts in April 2008, when you also received detailed photographic material from our colleagues on location in Serbia.

    Our efforts have been tireless since, but not met with much attention and/or success with the Serbian authorities and the European Union.

    But nothing will stop us from continuing our utmost to help, and the campaign will go on until improvements are underway. One way or the other.



    We have not had any feedback from your direction in the meantime, and deeply regret this – as much work has gone into the preparation of the documentation forwarded to you and expectations and hopes had, and still are, high as regards the possible involvement of the FFW. Of course we realise your organisation is involved in many issues, and we applaud your recent efforts to tackle the issue of bullfighting. But obviously we consider the plight of Serbian strays of no less importance, even if – or BECAUSE – the problem is of so little to no importance to the European Union and people in the West in general, who consider the Balkans, and Serbia, to be so backward as to not be worth the trouble.



    The animals of Serbia ARE worth the trouble, in our eyes – and hopefully yours too. Not only the people of Ex-Yugoslavia have gone through hell in the years of war and what came after, but the animals also. And it is time to remember the most helpless victims of the great tragedy that befell that country in the 1990s.

    For the animals, Serbia/Croatia/Bosnia still is a warzone. One that does not make the headlines of the world’s papers, one that takes place in backyards, derelict factories, and behind the closed doors of killing pounds .. silently, daily, deadly.



    We must not look away.



    Please lend us your support.



    Sincerely,





    Diana Hartig



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    LETTER 14 SEPT. 2008

    Serbian Animals Voice
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    To whom it may concern, Sunday 14th September 2008.
    I am writing to you as the representative of “Serbian Animals Voice” (SAV),
    http://serbiananimalsvoice.wordpress.com/, a non governmental animal welfare
    organisation (NGO) currently working within the European Union (EU) and the EU
    Parliament regarding animal welfare issues within the Republic of Serbia.
    We are very aware via the EU in Brussels that Serbia is aiming for EU accession.
    We would like to point out that in order to join the EU, a new (potential) Member
    State must meet at least the following three criteria:
     political: stability of institutions guaranteeing democracy, the rule of
    law, human rights and respect for and protection of minorities;
     economic: existence of a functioning market economy and the capacity to
    cope with competitive pressure and market forces within the Union;
     acceptance of the Community acquis: ability to take on the obligations of
    membership, including adherence to the aims of political, economic and
    monetary union.

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    During recent months, SAV have been working with Serbian animal welfare
    organisations, together who form the “Alliance for animal rights”, on one of many
    projects which has included petitioning and registering a formal complaint to the
    EU Commission regarding animal welfare atrocities perpetrated by the Serbian
    authorities; which include the contravention of existing current Serbian Legislation
    ‘Article 269’. This contravention thus reflects a failure of implementation of the rule
    of national law – a basic but vital requirement for EU accession.
    A ‘pdf’ copy of all signatures and comments associated with this petition,
    comprising 5,538 in toatal, are attached for your reference. It is signed by very
    many citizens who are members of existing EU nations and who wish for Serbia (a
    possible future member) to adopt humane animal control policies. As EU citizens,
    these people have influence on the European Parliament and its decisions.
    SAV are aware of and have signed proof that over 32,000 signatures relating to
    animal killings were presented to the Serbian government on 24th April 2008, to
    then Prime Minister Kostunica, and for which, to date, no official response has ever
    been given by the government. We ask please that you provide an official response
    to this petition immediately.
    For your information, “One unspayed dog and her offspring can lead to
    67,000 dogs in six years. One unspayed cat and her offspring can
    produce 400,000 cats in seven years (Source - The Humane Society of the United
    States, “HSUS Pet Overpopulation Estimates,” 2004 )”.
    “Spaying and neutering helps stem the tide of overpopulation. The real answer to
    the massive street animal population in Serbia is for all authorities to adopt a ‘No
    Kill’ sterilisation programme, and to implement it now, immediately.
    Serbian Animals Voice
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    It must be a national priority to reduce the number of stray animals over time.
    Shinters/dogcatchers are not animal control agencies - they are simply communal
    enterprises working on attempted controlling of the stray dog and cat
    populations”.
    Only by implementing widespread sterilization programs, only by spaying and
    neutering all companion animals, will you, as the national government and
    national / regional authorities, ever obtain any control on pet animal
    overpopulation.
    Given the staggering reproductive rates detailed above, it stands to reason that,
    within only a few years, carefully planned and implemented national sterilization
    programs could produce a dramatic reduction in the number of unwanted
    companion animals born. According to news received from other countries, in
    those towns and cities that have implemented similar programs, it has already been
    seen that the number of companion animals who had to be euthanized
    declined by 30 to 60 percent.
    Successful pet population control programs range from subsidized sterilization
    clinics to cooperative efforts involving local veterinarians to mass media supported
    public educational campaigns. The key is providing the means for people who are
    unable or unwilling to pay for surgeries to have access to these procedures.
    Education, too, is an essential part of solving this problem. Unless people know the
    facts about pet overpopulation and the positive effects of animal sterilization, they
    are virtually helpless to do anything about the problem.
    Only through the nationwide establishment of such sterilisation programs will you
    ever begin to achieve an end to the Serbian national tragedy of pet overpopulation.
    In addition, experience has shown that programs oriented toward preserving life
    are actually more cost effective and cheaper than ones oriented toward
    killing. For example, it is far less costly to neuter a feral cat than it is to impound,
    hold, kill and dispose of a feral cat’s body. The savings are also exponential
    (preventing future generations of feral cats from being born and potentially
    entering shelters)”.
    We wish the Serbian government to implement a strategy which provides the
    humane treatment and keeping of all animals taken from the streets, including that
    of the keeping of animals within authority pounds for an indefinite period.
    We wish to see the national overpopulation control programme include:
    • Humane treatment of all animals taken from the street(s);
    • No time limit on the period which an animal is kept at a shelter
    • Euthanasia where necessary, but only in agreement by several parties,
    including those from animal welfare organisations and non governmental
    associations
    • Euthanasia only in the interest of the individual animal; ie. due to illness or
    non-recoverable injury
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    • Sterilisation of all owned and roaming animals, except special breeding
    animals
    • vaccination of all animals, to be given during the sterilisation process, for
    prevention of all animal carried diseases
    • a general health check for each and every animal, also undertaken during
    the sterilisation process
    • fitting of an animal-specific identification system - ie. a microchip inserted
    under the skin, the process which could be undertaken during the
    sterilisation process
    • the need for a government / authority managed national database to
    identify all owners - using the microchipping system, which will specifically
    identify an animal to its specific owner
    • implementation of a full national public education programme - using
    national press and media, to provide information well in advance of the
    above.
    As we have previously informed, the referenced petition above which will be
    presented to the EU has been intended to highlight the current situation of Serbian
    authorities not implementing their own existing animal welfare legislation. And we
    repeat, “implementation of the rule of la” – a necessary requirement for EU
    accession.
    The formal petition will be presented to the EU Commission in Brussels within the
    next working week. We will ask that this petition and our suggestions for a Serbian
    national no kill strategy be accepted by the Commission as a contribution to the EU
    'animal health strategy' aimed at establishing new definitions for animal welfare
    throughout EU member states – both for existing and future accession members.
    Along with Serbian animal welfare organisations, SAV have other serious concerns
    about the current situation for many animals within Serbia, including:
    • Hunting and hunting legislation
    • the conditions in which animals are kept in Serbian Zoo’s
    • the conditions in which animals are kept by travelling circus’
    • animal experimentation, including the sources of supply of animals for same
    • the methods and procedures used for the killing of farm animals; ie.
    slaughterhouses and ritual slaughter procedures.
    All of these issues associated with animals are regulated by strict legislation
    throughout the EU. Future member states currently seeking EU accession will need
    to ensure that they are compliant with at an EU approved standard in whatever
    sphere of animal usage before gaining accession. SAV and Serbian welfare
    organisations will be closely monitoring all aspects of animal treatment in all
    spheres within Serbia, and will be raising awareness within the EU when it is
    considered necessary to do so.
    Serbian Animals Voice
    http://serbiananimalsvoice.wordpress.com/
    I trust you will consider the points made in this letter and will respond on all points
    raised in the very near future.
    We wish to set a deadline response of Monday 13th October 2008; the date at
    which the EU will be informed of your intentions or non intentions to enforce
    animal welfare legislation(s) within Serbia. We will consider that a failure to
    respond by the 13th October will mean that you have no intentions to enforce animal
    welfare legislation. Additional time can be mutually agreed on, but we always wish
    that dates be set; especially regarding your failures to respond to petitions
    presented earlier this year.
    Would you please ensure that responses are provided prior to this date
    (13th October 2008), and specifically addressed to Dr. Medicine. Slavica Mazak
    Bešliæ - President of the Society Friends of Animals~FRIEND – EPAR, Subotica,
    Serbia.
    Finally, thank you for your time and attention in reviewing our requests; we look
    forward to your response before the 13th October 2008.
    Yours Sincerely
    Mark Johnson – on behalf of “Serbian Animals Voice”.
    About SAV:
    “Serbian Animals Voice” (SAV) is an organisation which campaigns for the better treatment of all
    animals within the Balkans states; especially on behalf of stray / street animals. SAV is a completely
    non-violent organisation which undertakes all of its campaigning through information networking
    and the written word. SAV has a worldwide supporter network, which can be viewed at
    http://www4.clustrmaps.com/counter/maps.php?user=9b44b4e0
    The aim of SAV is to work with Balkan state animal welfare organisations in order to achieve the
    enforcement of currently existing national legislation for stray and all animals throughout the Balkans
    states by both government and regional/local authorities, a policy which is currently not happening in
    the main. Implementation of, and adhesion to national legislation is a prime requirement which has to
    be shown to be enforced by any future states requiring accession (membership) of the European Union
    (EU). SAV has regular liaison with the European Union Parliament Animal Welfare Eurogroup and
    every MEP throughout the union to inform them of the situation for stray animals within the Balkans.

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    Podrazumevano Re: For your Attention: Things Move On for Serbian Animals

    Organisation Internationale pour la Protection des Animaux
    Organizzazione Internazionale per la Protezione degli Animali
    International Organisation for Animal Protection
    Internationale Organisation für Tierschutz
    Non Governmental Organisation (NGO) associated with the UN Department of Public Information NGO associated with the UN Department of Public Information

    Saturday, September 13, 2008
    To:
    - Mr. Boris Tadic - President of Serbia
    - Mirko Cvetkovic - Prime Minister, Serbia
    - Mr.Sasha Dragin - Minister of Agriculture, Serbia
    - Mr.Zoran Micovic - Director of Veterinary Department of Serbia
    Copy:
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    - European Commission












    Dear sir,

    We are writing you on behalf of OIPA. OIPA - International Organization for Animal Protection, is an International Confederation of associations (today, 170) for the animal protection and for the defence of animal rights all over the world. Founded in 1981 by Milly Shar Manzoli, OIPA is a Non Governmental Organization associated to the UN Department of Public Information since 1992. The purpose of the Organization consists in the defence of animal rights and in the defence of the animals from every kind of mistreatment. It also follows the purpose of improving the public health through the abolishment of any kind of animal experiments throughout the world.
    The organization we lead has been committed to the principle of protecting animal life since its inception more than 30 years ago, and so are our members and staff. It was OIPA, more than any other group, that pioneered the concepts of legislation, education, and sterilization to combat the pet overpopulation problem.
    Today in Serbia, thousands of unwanted animals will suffer and die. A shocking number of dogs, cats, and others are born daily into a world whose homes and hearts don't have room for them.
    For every one companion animal who lives inside with a human family and receives the attention (toys, love, companionship, etc.) health care, and emotional support that he or she needs, there are many more who are just barely surviving. Thousands of domestic animals never know a kind human hand. They live hard lives on the street before dying equally hard, agonizing deaths.
    One unspayed dog and her offspring can lead to 67,000 dogs in six years. One unspayed cat and her offspring can produce 400,000 cats in seven years (The Humane Society of the United States, “HSUS Pet Overpopulation Estimates,” 2004).
    OIPA
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    OIPA
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    Whatever the reason, the number of cats and dogs far exceeds the number of loving homes available. Unwanted animals are often treated as a nuisance; incidents of kitten drownings and dog abandonments are common. Many people drop animals off in rural areas, thinking that someone will take them in or that they can fend for themselves. But the tragic fates for these animals include cruel treatment, starvation, disease, freezing, highway death, procurement for research laboratories, and more unregulated breeding.
    Even if someone can find homes for one litter of kittens or puppies, the overpopulation cycle continues if the animals are allowed to breed.
    Spaying and neutering helps stem the tide of overpopulation. The real answer to the massive street animal population in Serbia is for all authorities to adopt a sterilisation programme.

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    A ‘NO KILL’ policy. It must be a national priority to reduce the number of stray animals over time. Shinters/dogcatchers are not animal control agencies - they are simply communal enterprises working on controlling the stray dog and cat populations.
    Every cat or dog who dies as a result of pet overpopulation—whether inhumanely in a shelter or by injury, disease, or neglect—is an animal who, more often than not, would have made a wonderful companion, if given the chance.
    Tremendous as the problem of pet overpopulation is, it can be solved if each of us takes just one small step, starting with not allowing animals to breed.
    The solution is this: only by implementing widespread sterilization programs, only by spaying and neutering all companion animals, will you get a handle on pet overpopulation.
    Consider the fact that in six short years, one female dog and her offspring can give birth to hundreds of puppies. And, in seven years, one cat and her young can produce hundreds of kittens.
    Given these high reproductive rates, it stands to reason that, in only a few years, carefully planned and implemented sterilization programs could produce a dramatic reduction in the number of unwanted companion animals born. In fact, according news that we received from other countries, in those towns and cities that have implemented such programs, we've already seen the number of companion animals who had to be euthanized decline by 30 to 60 percent—even in those communities where human populations have been steadily increasing.
    Successful pet population control programs range from subsidized sterilization clinics to cooperative efforts involving local veterinarians to mass media educational campaigns.
    Only through the continued nationwide establishment of such programs you will bring an end to the tragedy of pet overpopulation.
    The key is providing the means for people who are unable or unwilling to pay for surgeries to have access to the procedures.
    Education, too, is an essential part of solving this problem. Unless people know the facts about pet overpopulation and sterilization, they are virtually helpless to do anything about the problem.
    Everyone in the animal welfare community knows that the best way to save lives is to stop new ones from being born. Statistics show that the number of animals killed in shelters in the U.S. declined as the spaying and neutering of household pets became the norm.
    The best national survey data indicates that U.S. animal shelters killed 23.5 million dogs and cats in 1970, 17.8 million in 1985, and 4.6 million in 2000. That amounts to a decline from 115.8 dog and cats killed per 1000 humans in 1970 to 16.8 dogs and cats killed per 1000 humans in 2000.
    The lowest rate of shelter killing can be found in the more affluent and urban Northeast, while the highest rate of shelter killing is in the rural South, with the exception of the Washington, D.C. area and affluent parts of Fla. The low killing areas have in common residents who regularly take their pets to the veterinarian and for whom spay/neuter surgeries are an expected part of pet ownership.
    OIPA
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    Rabies is a viral disease that affects the central nervous system of warm-blooded animals, including humans. The disease has a long incubation period (six months) and symptoms may take several weeks to appear after infection. However, once symptoms appear, rabies is always fatal in animals.
    Rabies has been recognized for centuries. It wasn’t until the 1880’s when work done by Louis Pasteur identified a virus as the cause of the disease.
    Rabies is a disease listed in the World Organization for Animal Health (OIE) Terrestrial Animal Health Code, 2007, (Article 2.1.1.3) and must be reported to the OIE (Chapter 1.1.2 – Notification of Diseases and Epidemiological Information).
    Rabies is a highly fatal viral disease of humans and all other warm blooded animals. The virus is present in the saliva of infected animals and is generally transmitted by the bite of diseased animals – most commonly dogs and other carnivores.
    The rabies virus is present on all continents except Antarctica. Some countries have implemented vigilant control measures and succeeded in eradicating the disease to meet the OIE requirements for rabies free status.
    However, in some countries, the disease remains endemic with rabies present mainly in wild animal hosts. Although the infection of domestic livestock could have economic consequences in some countries, it is the occurrence of rabies in domestic dogs posing a threat to humans that is of major concern in several developing and in-transition countries.
    The OIE - Organisation Mondiale de la Santé Animale - provides science-based standards, guidelines and recommendations for the control of the disease in animals and to prevent the spread of the disease through trade as well as standards for the diagnosis of the disease and the preparation of vaccines for use in animals. Through its network of Reference Laboratories and Collaborating Centers the OIE provides policy advice, strategy design and technical assistance for the diagnosis, control and eradication of rabies.
    - European countries implementing effective wildlife rabies control programs that include oral vaccination campaigns have successfully eliminated the disease in wildlife (Switzerland 1999; France 2000; Belgium and Luxembourg 2001; Czech Republic 2004).
    - Population control and/or oral vaccination programmes for domestic and stray animals are being implemented in several developing countries where rabies is endemic.
    - Eradication is underway in North American countries
    Some countries have implemented vigilant control measures and succeeded in eradicating the disease.
    In countries where the disease is endemic, measures are implemented to address and reduce the risk of infection in susceptible populations (wildlife, stray and domestic animals) and create a buffer between the animal source of the disease and humans.
    • Surveillance and reporting of suspected cases of rabies in animals
    • Vaccination programs for domestic animals
    • Research into disease dynamics, vaccines and effective delivery mechanisms for target populations
    • Wildlife rabies control programs including vaccination (trap/vaccinate/release or delivery of oral vaccines)
    • Population control and vaccination programs for stray animal populations
    This website provides information to national veterinary services and veterinary professionals, farmers, media and the general public http://www.oie.int
    OIPA

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    “Prevention at the animal source is the ultimate key in dealing with a prevalent and perennial zoonosis like rabies. It is the prime responsibility of the veterinary profession to apply its knowledge and skills in animal disease control to creating a buffer between the animal source of the disease and susceptible human beings, ” said Dr Bernard Vallat, Director General of the World Organisation for Animal Health (OIE) at the International Conference that ended today at the OIE Headquarters in Paris (on May 30th 2007).
    “Good governance of veterinary services, better laboratory diagnosis capacity and vaccination campaigns in domesticated and wild animals are key actions to be taken. Emphasis must also be put on raising public awareness of rabies and on the need for collaboration with other professions involved, namely the public health sector”, he added.
    The OIE demonstrated its commitment by supporting the initiative to declare the 8 th of September as World Rabies Day , starting in 2007.
    “The cost of a post-bite treatment in humans is about twenty to one hundred times more costly than the vaccination of a dog”, Dr Vallat commented. Animal vaccination remains the method of choice to control and eradicate rabies.
    “Governments should consider investing in dog rabies as the best way to reduce escalating costs of post-exposure prophylaxis. They should establish mechanisms for a fair distribution of the costs and benefits of dog rabies elimination between the various sectors involved, particularly health and agriculture”, commented Dr François Meslin of the World Health Organization (WHO).
    Upstream control of rabies in dogs, including stray dogs, should rank high on the agenda of developing countries' national health and veterinary authorities for an efficient prevention of human mortalities.
    In the past, conventional methods of fox rabies control such as intensive culling or trapping aimed at a disruption of the natural route of infection among foxes by reducing their density.- In fact, all these methods generally were incapable of reducing and maintaining the fox population below a certain level. Thus, based on many experiences, it was not possible to decrease the rabies incidence effectively.
    The oral vaccination of foxes against rabies which was developed already 25 years ago offered a new perspective in rabies control in wildlife-. The first field trial on oral vaccination of foxes was successfully conducted in Switzerland in 1978 followed by Germany in 1983. Since then this method has been proven as the only effective way to eliminate rabies in foxes and other terrestrial reservoir species. If rabies is eliminated in foxes it also disappears in domestic animals.
    The results obtained with this method are outstanding – the annual number of rabies cases dropped from 21.000 in the year 1990 to 5.400 in 2004. In most parts of Western and Central Europe rabies has been successfully controlled and eradicated. So far several countries such as Finland, The Netherlands (1991), Italy (1997), Switzerland (1998), France (2000), Belgium, Luxembourg (2001) and the Czech Republic (2004) have been declared as being officially free of terrestrial rabies.
    For oral vaccination of foxes and raccoon dogs, modified live virus rabies vaccines either attenuated live rabies viruses or recombinant viruses are used. A vaccine filled sachet is enveloped by a bait casing typically consisting of fishmeal, fat and paraffin.
    Vaccine baits need to be deposited throughout all potential fox habitats (i.e. almost everywhere). Different vaccine bait distribution systems have been developed. Aerial distribution either by aircraft or
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    by helicopter is the most efficient way. Appointed and trained persons drop baits at a given mean rhythm. Manual distribution of vaccine baits is complementary measure and is preferably used in urban and suburban regions (city parks, cemeteries, industrial areas, private properties etc.).
    The power to change the status quo is in our hands: the first step is a decision, a commitment to reject killing as the primary shelter population management tool. No Kill starts as an act of will. The next step involves putting in place the infrastructure to save lives.
    Clear protocols should be established, and staff properly trained to ensure that each and every animal is given a fair evaluation and a chance for placement or treatment.
    A microchip is recommended by OIPA as an effective way of permanently linking pets to their owners, increasing the chances of them being reunited if the animal is lost, stolen or strays. Thousands of pets are lost every year and many are never reunited with their owners.
    In addition, experience has shown that programs oriented toward preserving life are actually
    cost effective and cheaper than ones oriented toward killing. For example, it is far less costly to
    neuter a feral cat than it is to impound, hold, kill and dispose of a feral cat’s body. The savings is
    also exponential (preventing future generations of feral cats from being born and potentially
    entering shelters).
    In the last decade, several progressive shelters around the world, have put into place a bold series of lifesaving programs and services which have dramatically reduced the death rate in their communities.
    In the 1970s, the City of Los Angeles was the first to provide municipally funded spaying and neutering for low-income pet owners in the United States. A city study found that for every dollar it was investing in the program, Los Angeles taxpayers were saving $10 in animal control costs due to reductions in animal intakes and fewer field calls. Indeed, Los Angeles shelters were taking in half the number of animals after just the first decade of the program and killing rates in the city dropped to the lowest third per capita in the United States. This result is consistent with results in San Francisco and elsewhere.
    Research shows that investment in programs balancing animal “care” and “control” can provide not only immediate public health and public relations benefits but also long-term financial savings to a jurisdiction.
    OIPA fully support EPAR (OIPA member league) and all Serbian no kill associations.
    Sincerely,

    Paola Ghidotti - OIPA International Campaigns Director
    Massimo Pradella – OIPA International Chairman

    www.oipa.org
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    Peticija Serbia sufferning... sakupljeno je 5000 potpisa

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    Hahahahaaa!!!
    Daleko ti lepa kuca ahaahhahah

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    Citat Original postavio Torrente Bgd Pogledaj poruku
    Hahahahaaa!!!
    Sta se ti cerekas????
    Drago mi je da je ta peticija napokon uspela.
    Valjda ce nesto biti sa tim.
    Otpadose mi oci dok nisam procitala ceo tekst

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    Citat Original postavio Torrente Bgd Pogledaj poruku
    Hahahahaaa!!!
    sta se kliberish?

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    Citat Original postavio Rin@ Pogledaj poruku
    Sta se ti cerekas????
    Drago mi je da je ta peticija napokon uspela.
    Valjda ce nesto biti sa tim.
    Otpadose mi oci dok nisam procitala ceo tekst
    Kako uspela a nadas se da ce nesto biti sa tim?? E koliko je peticija bilo i to mnogo vaznijih pa nista.
    Daleko ti lepa kuca ahaahhahah

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    Kako uspela a nadas se da ce nesto biti sa tim?? E koliko je peticija bilo i to mnogo vaznijih pa nista.
    ne,ne dragi torrente,ova ce uspeti,a najvecim delom zato sto ne zavisi samo od nas,nego i od EU koja ce nas pritiskati i postaviti nam to kao uslov'

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    o Mico!!! Vidim otisla si u ELITU!!!! Fino,fino...

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    ne,ne dragi torrente,ova ce uspeti,a najvecim delom zato sto ne zavisi samo od nas,nego i od EU koja ce nas pritiskati i postaviti nam to kao uslov'
    Koja EU ??? Pa Rumunija i Bugarska su ti u EU pa nista od toga. Sta se lozite ljudi.
    Pa ovde su ti na prvom mestu ljudi ugrozeni i to samo tako. Koliko samo ljudi i dece nemaju osnovne uslove za zivot a drzava ce da daje milione na neke pse koji su se namnozili do besvesti i koji nicemu ne sluze.
    Daleko ti lepa kuca ahaahhahah

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    o Mico!!! Vidim otisla si u ELITU!!!! Fino,fino...
    Sa takvom elitom nikad u EU necemo uci hahahhahaaaaa!!!!

    E jedino sam kod sebe video da sam primecen clan svi ostali neka elita,aktivni,isticu se ,hiperaktivni........ A ko daje te prideve???
    Daleko ti lepa kuca ahaahhahah

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    dechko...kada udjesh u elitu i budes meni ravan,javi se....

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    Citat Original postavio Torrente Bgd Pogledaj poruku
    Koja EU ??? Pa Rumunija i Bugarska su ti u EU pa nista od toga. Sta se lozite ljudi.
    Pa ovde su ti na prvom mestu ljudi ugrozeni i to samo tako. Koliko samo ljudi i dece nemaju osnovne uslove za zivot a drzava ce da daje milione na neke pse koji su se namnozili do besvesti i koji nicemu ne sluze.
    a ljudi...chemu sluze ljudi?
    ajmo sad realno...
    znachi bez mrznje prema psima ili ljudima...
    chemu sluze ljudi?
    ima nas 6 milijardi.....chemu sluzimo,osim sto unistavamo planetu,muchimo ostale vrste zivih bica...?
    chemu sluze ljudi...
    na ovo ako mi ne odgovoris,nikad vise necu da ti se obratim

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    a ljudi...chemu sluze ljudi?
    ajmo sad realno...
    znachi bez mrznje prema psima ili ljudima...
    chemu sluze ljudi?
    ima nas 6 milijardi.....chemu sluzimo,osim sto unistavamo planetu,muchimo ostale vrste zivih bica...?
    chemu sluze ljudi...
    na ovo ako mi ne odgovoris,nikad vise necu da ti se obratim
    Pa recimo neko gladno dete koje nema uslove za zivot i sl. mozda izraste u nekog novog Nikolu Teslu .
    A ako si toliko pogodjena zbog unistavanja planete onda izbaci iz stana sve sto je od drveta,nemoj da koristis za prevoz kola,autobuse i sl posto oni zagadjuju...itd..itd.

    Inace nema tu nikakve mrznje u zivotu sam imao vise kucnih ljubimaca i vise vrsta kucnih ljubimaca nego sto ces ti ikada imati. Samo treba prvo da si realan i da vidis pod 1 u kakvoj drzavi zivis . Drzavi gde vlada beda , gde u unutrasnjosti izumiru mesta jedno po jedno.....itd da ne nabrajam.
    Ajde razumem neku borbu za zastitu nekih zivotinja tipa medvedi,vukovi,srne..........ali trosenje tolike energije i toliko ludilo za brigu o psima lutalicama koji realno ne sluze nicemu sem sto mozda mogu neku bolestinu da rasire tipa besnilo i sl. ili da izujedaju nekoga. Ne vidim da se neko bori za prava recimo pacova koje isto svakodnevno truju i ubijaju zar oni nisu zivotinje???? Isto su beskorisne kao i ti psi lutalice.
    Ako ce vec ova drzava na ovu bedu da puca milione za zastitu nekih zivotinja treba da puca na zastitu zivotne sredine i stanista onih zivotinja koje su zaista ugrozene .

    Sto se tice da mucimo druge zivotinje i sl. Pa covek je svastojed sto znaci da u prehrani koristi i meso. Sta jedu ti tvoji psi????? Zelenu salatu mozda??? Da ne pasu travu??? Koliko je tvoj pas do sada pojeo zivotinja u obliku raznog preradjenog mesa,granula i sl.Svaki put kada das svom psu da jedes seti se da je da bi tvoj pas jeo zivot izgubila neka ovca,svinja,krava.....
    Poslednji put ažurirao/la Torrente Bgd : 16.09.2008. u 22:30
    Daleko ti lepa kuca ahaahhahah

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    pa da...vlada beda i zbog bede se treba izivljavati nad zivotinjama koje nit su krive za bedu nit za bilo sta.
    a sto se tiche odredjivanja ko je beskoristan a ko ne,mislim da ti nemas pravo da delis titule ko je koristan a ko nije.
    ni jedno zivo bice koje postoji nije beskorisno...
    a sto se tiche bolesti,vise brinem da ce chovek neki da mi prenese nesto nego neka lutalica ili pacov...
    svaka bolest koju sam imala je preneta sa choveka na mene a ne sa zivotinje.
    a vidim da po tvojoj prici tebe bas briga za psa zato sto kao vrsta nije ugrozen ali kao jedinka jeste.Psa polomljena noga ne boli nista manje nego belog medveda.
    slazem se da je dragocenija vrsta beli medved nego pas,ali ne treba gledati samo vrstu,vec jedinku...
    to sad kao kada bi ja rekla da treba da se pobiju gladni ljudi,posto eto,nikome nisu korisni,a ljudi kao vrsta na planeti nisu ugrozeni...zasto onda spasavati ljude?
    zato sto su tvoja vrsta jel tako,tako je...e vidis torrente nisu svi ljudi kao ti...
    neke od nas zanima i druga vrsta,druga jedinka,drugi ovaj,drugi onaj a ne samo chovek.

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    P.S. ti znas koliko sam ja ljubimaca imala...pfffffff

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    pa da...vlada beda i zbog bede se treba izivljavati nad zivotinjama koje nit su krive za bedu nit za bilo sta.
    Ko se izivljava?? Mozda oni neki zli ljudi sto su kao zavrnuli neku cesmu u sred leta pa psi nemaju odakle vodu da piju?

    Evo u mom kraju ima lutalica gomila kao i u svakom kraju u BGD.I to bas ispred zgrade ima jedan pas koji tu bleji i ne vidim da ga iko maltretira. Bleji tu ispred verovatno ga neko hrani tu i tamo zalaje ili napadne nekoga i to je sve. I eto sta sad drzava po tebi treba da uradi za tog psa??

    U BGD imas sigurno preko 6000 pasa lutalica. Da li si ti svesna koliko para treba ovoj bednoj zemlji da napravi smestaj za 6000 pasa lutalica plus da obezbedi svakodnevnu klopu za njih??? Takodje te price kako pas nikada ne bi napao coveka i da ako se i to desi nije kriv pas vec covek posto je taj pas jadan istraumiran i sl. E manite se tih prica.Kao sto kod ljudi ima ranoranih od mirnih do agresivnih tako je i kod zivotinja a samim tim i kod pasa.
    Znaci ti i sva ta ekipa sto se bori za te pse ajde gde cete da nadjete pare za zbrinjavanje istih. Plus da napomenem samo u BGD ih je preko 6000 da ne pominjem druga mesta po Srbiji.
    Daleko ti lepa kuca ahaahhahah

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    ti onda imas srece kada ne vidis sta se psima desava....
    a sta mene ti chikash bre? ja nikad nisam rekla da agresivni psi treba da setaju ulicama.Oni treba da se uspavaju...znaci uspavaju a ne da se masakriraju kao po obicaju...
    mada masakr je jeftiniji....ustede se pare za politicarski dzep,pa umesto anestezije pas dobije otrov u srce,otrov u hrani ili metak u glavu....
    idem da gledam film

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    Mico, ne padaj na provokacije. Znaš da je Torente jednostavno navučen na to da bude k'o krmak u Te'eranu- neshvaćen i omražen. Zato ti prestani da glumiš Don Kihota. U can't win them all!

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    ti onda imas srece kada ne vidis sta se psima desava....
    a sta mene ti chikash bre? ja nikad nisam rekla da agresivni psi treba da setaju ulicama.Oni treba da se uspavaju...znaci uspavaju a ne da se masakriraju kao po obicaju...
    mada masakr je jeftiniji....ustede se pare za politicarski dzep,pa umesto anestezije pas dobije otrov u srce,otrov u hrani ili metak u glavu....
    idem da gledam film
    Koji film
    Daleko ti lepa kuca ahaahhahah

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