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    Podrazumevano Crvena i bela ruzha?!

    Mozhe li neko da mi obajsni vezu Bele i Crvene ruzhe sa istorijom Srbije (Karadjordjevici i Obrenovici) i njihov uticaj danas?!



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    Tjudori i Lankasteri su zenski ogranci engleske dinastije Plantagenet. Kad je izumrla muska grana onda su ove dve zaratile. Jedni su bili u Jorku, drugi u Velsu cini mi se. Ne znam kakve veze mogu da imaju s nama...

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    Ni ja ne kapiram pitanje....uopšte...

    Dobro jest poznato da je sukob dinastija Karadjordjević i Obrenović metaforično nazivan "rat ruža" po ugledu na dinastije Jork i Lankaster...ali mi zaista pitanje nije jasno...:?
    Mogao bi autor teme malo da obrazloži na šta je mislio...

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    Sigurno je mislio na poredjenje-zasto ih porede..pa samo zato sto su se isto tako borile za vlast...

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    English Sovereigns
    The first unified government of England came with the conquest of the Danish in northern England by Edward the Elder. The rule of succession to the throne is primogeniture, or the passing of the throne to the oldest son (or daughter when there are no sons). The English monarchy continued to rule England until the 19th century, when the country became a constitutional monarchy, and most national policy was decided by Parliament.
    Reign Name Relationship
    West Saxon Kings
    899-924 Edward the Elder son of Alfred the Great
    924-39 Athelstan son of Edward I
    939-46 Edmund half brother of Athelstan
    946-55 Edred brother of Edmund
    955-59 Edwy son of Edmund
    959-75 Edgar brother of Edwy
    975-78 Edward the Martyr son of Edgar
    978-1016 Ethelred II son of Edgar
    1016 Edmund Ironside son of Ethelred
    Danish Kings
    1016-35 Canute II son of Sweyn I of Denmark who conquered England 1013
    1035-37 Harold I and Hardecanute sons of Canute II (each ruled a part of England as decided by the royal council)
    1037-40 Harold I son of Canute
    1040-42 Hardecanute son of Canute
    West Saxon Kings (restored)
    1042-66 Edward the Confessor son of Ethelred II
    1066 Harold II son of Godwin
    Norman Kings
    1066-87 William I illegitimate son of Duke Robert the Devil
    1087-1100 William II son of William I
    1100-35 Henry I son of William I
    1135-53 Stephen grandson of William II
    House of Plantagenet
    1153-89 Henry II son of Matilda (daughter of Henry I)
    1189-99 Richard I son of Henry II
    1199-1216 John son of Henry II
    1216-72 Henry III son of John
    1272-1307 Edward I son of Henry III
    1307-27 Edward II son of Edward I
    1327-77 Edward III son of Edward II
    1377-99 Richard II son of the Black Prince
    House of Lancaster
    1399-1413 Henry IV son of John of Gaunt
    1413-22 Henry V son of Henry IV
    1422-61, 1470-71 Henry VI son of Henry V
    House of York
    1461-70, 1471-83 Edward IV son of Richard, Duke of York
    1483 Edward V son of Edward IV
    1483-85 Richard III brother of Edward IV
    House of Tudor
    1485-1509 Henry VII son of Edmund Tudor, Earl of Richmond
    1509-47 Henry VIII son of Henry VII
    1547-53 Edward VI son of Henry VIII
    1553-58 Mary I daughter of Henry VIII
    1558-1603 Elizabeth I daughter of Henry VIII

    House of Stuart
    1603-25 James I great-grandson of Margaret (daughter of Henry VII)
    1625-49 Charles I son of James I
    The Commonwealth
    1649-58 Oliver Cromwell
    1658-60 Richard Cromwell
    House of Stuart (restored)
    1660-85 Charles II son of Charles I
    1685-88 James II son of Charles I
    1689-94 William III and Mary II son of Mary (daughter of Charles I); daughter of James II
    1694-1702 William III son of Mary (daughter of Charles I)
    1702-14 Anne daughter of James II
    House of Hannover
    1714-27 George I son of Sophia (granddaughter of James I)
    1727-60 George II son of George I
    1760-1820 George III son of Frederick (son of George II)
    1820-30 George IV (regent 1811-20) son of George III
    1830-37 William IV son of George III
    1837-1901 Victoria daughter of Edward (son of George III)
    House of Saxe-Coburg
    1901-10 Edward VII son of Victoria
    House of Windsor
    1910-36 George V son of Edward VII
    1936 Edward VIII (abdicated) son of George V
    1936-52 George VI son of George V
    1952- Elizabeth II daughter of George VI

    cisto da docaram

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    Serija "Kraj dinastije Obrnovica" na RTS- u se zavrshava rechima "to je bio kraj rata bele o crvene ruzhe???", a poznato je da je kao odgovor na tajnu organizaciju "Crna Ruka" sledilo formiranje "Bele ruke" medju oficirima Srpske vojske. Interesuje me da li je moguce da je to samo nastavak a da je vezano za Rozekrojcere i pripadnost dinastija razlichitim frakcijama te organizacije?
    Nisam uspeo nigde nishta na netu da nadjem u vezi toga..

    P.S.
    Ovo ovako formalno je zato shto mi je to moj cyale izdiktirao, ai to njega sve zanima...

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    Obična metafora....Već sam objasnio gore...

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