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    Ovako stvari stoje...

    According to the Sauron's Creations information, this tank is being developed in cooperation with and for export to S.Korea and may even feature Korean thermal imagers. It will not be fielded with the Russian Army and seems to be entirely an initiative of Omsk Plant. It originates from the now-closed Nikolai Popov's design bureau at Leningrad Kirov Plant (LKZ) and is now developed by Alexander Morozov. The tank is built on a T-80U chassis and will borrow most of its components including FCS from T-80U. The most significant difference between the new tank and T-80 is the completely redesigned turret (at Omsk'97 a full-sized mock-up was presented). This new turret will have a larger degree of protection than the current Russian MBTs. The steep slope of forward armor plates on the turret reflects designers' desire to maximize protection from APFSDS rounds in a duel situation, when tanks fight "face to face". For additional protection, the tank is fitted with Kaktus ERA and the new Drozd-2 APS.

    It was originally planned to install a 152 mm gun that is being developed for a future Russian MBT. However, since this tank is not going to be fielded with the Russian Army, it will carry a 125 mm 2A46-series gun. Another innovation is a new automated ammo storage/loader, located in a turret bustle. It is separated from crew compartment by an armored bulkhead which greatly increases crew survivability. This design has several reasons. First, the Chechen war has shown that the carousel used in T-72/T-80/T-90 is too prone to ammo detonation when penetrated, invariably killing the crew. Second, adopted configuration also reduces Black Eagle's height by 400 mm by comparison with the T-80 (Perhaps a typo here, since this means that the tank is a mere 1.8 meters in height). Finally, horizontal ammunition arrangement in the turret bustle permits using longer (and therefore, more powerful) APFSDS rounds, simplified automatic loading process and increased rate of fire (expected to reach 10-12 rds/min). It may be worth noting that the latest 3BM42M round for a 2A46M 125mm gun of T-80 and T-90 MBTs has reached the maximum length allowed by current autoloaders. Black Eagle's on-board information system monitors all essential systems of the vehicle, and permits automated data exchange with other tanks and headquarters. The tank shall have a new 1200 hp 16-cyl. turbo-diesel engine and shall weigh around 50 tons. VTTV-Omsk-99 exhibition have finally revealed the complete vehicle (referred by KBMZ as Item 640) without any netting.

    Several features became immediately apparent. First it appears that the vehicle's hull is not taken directly from T-80U as was originally believed, but was significantly redesigned, the obvious change being the 7th roadwheel. It seems that most of the additional length has gone into the raised front hull protection and greater glacis obliquity. It also raises doubts if the tank indeed stays in Class 50. The active protection system appears to be Drozd, not Arena, derivative. Although the tank indeed carries the 2A46M maingun, it was stated that provision is made for installation of a new 152mm maingun. This implies that Omsk still hopes to win the hearts of the Russian military with their new tank.

    CHIORNY ORIOL: MBT OF THE 21TH CENTURY

    The newest Russian main battle tank (MBT) named Chiorny Oriol (Black Eagle) was shown for the first time at the second VTTV-Omsk-97
    International Exhibition of Armaments, Military Equipment and Conversion Products ended early September in Omsk, Siberia region, Russia.
    The tank was demonstrated at a distance of 500 meters from the spectators. During the demonstration, the tanks turret, gun and armament system were carefully concealed. Chief of the Main Armour Command of the Russian MoD, colonel-general Sergei Mayev, and Deputy Director General of Rosvoorouzhenie company, Sergei Bukharov, who have inspected the tank on a closed proving ground of Omsk Transport Machinebuilding Plant (OTMP), refused to comment on its characteristics.

    However, as well-informed specialists in Moscow report, the Chiorny Oriol represents a mobility test-bed of a 21th century tank and is a result of radical upgrading of the T-80U MBT carried out under the direction of the Designer General Boris Kurakin. The selection of the T-80U as a base for development of the 5th generation MBT derives from the fact that it is rightfully considered as the best MBT in the world which suc-cessfully combines all the basic performance characteristics: speed, maneuverability, fire power and protection system.

    The Chiorny Oriol has the same overall dimensions as the T-80U does, nevertheless it has a lower silhouette which makes it less distinctive on the terrain. The experts believe that in terms of combination of the basic charac-teristics such as maneuverability, fire power, armour piercing capability and protection this MBT will surpass the Western MBTs such as M1A2 Abrams, Leclerk and Leopard-2 by a factor of 1.5-1.7.





    Cini mi se da ce ovaj biti sledeci ruski MBT. Sta vi mislite?
    Poslednji put ažurirao/la UberSukhoi : 10.10.2007. u 22:16



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    Ti citas ono sto postujes?

    According to the Sauron's Creations information, this tank is being developed in cooperation with and for export to S.Korea and may even feature Korean thermal imagers. It will not be fielded with the Russian Army and seems to be entirely an initiative of Omsk Plant.

    However, since this tank is not going to be fielded with the Russian Army, it will carry a 125 mm 2A46-series gun.



    Uostalom, to je bilo poziranje i nista vise. S obzirom da je konacno pocelo priblizavanje dveju Koreja, od toga nema nista, kao ni od severno-korejske nuklearne bombe.

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    ban ban ban ban ban Omsk Kursk BanSK

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    A meni se bas svidja... nije los...

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    gde si nasao ovog siptarskog orla????

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    Ovo je ruski orao, a siptari i jos 300 drzava/naroga koji su izmisljeni u poslednjih 50-100 godina imaju orla.

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Coat_of_Arms_of_the_Russian_Federation.svg
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Albania.svg

    prvi je ruski, drugi albanski, sam uporedi, dobro znam da skoro svaka druga nacija (i mi) ima orl, ali svaki orao je specifican

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    Citat Original postavio puzzled Pogledaj poruku
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Coat_of_Arms_of_the_Russian_Federation.svg
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Albania.svg

    prvi je ruski, drugi albanski, sam uporedi, dobro znam da skoro svaka druga nacija (i mi) ima orl, ali svaki orao je specifican
    Ма заболе ме, није ни битно, осим ако не мислиш да је неки шиптар направио црног орла.

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    Јел може да се узме на лизинг ?

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    pa ako moze gripen....samo pazljivo izracunaj ratu

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    This new turret will have a larger degree of protection than the current Russian MBT
    ово ми је чудно. Како то да Руси (заправо било ко) продају некоме нешто боље него што они имају за себе ...

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    пошто нисам знао шта је мало сам прогуглао и мислим да ће вам ово бити занимљиво

    The first and probably the world's only operationally deployed APS developed by the Russian KBP company was the 1030M Drozd (Thrush), a which was first installed on a T- 55AD MBT in 1983s. The automatic system is capable of defeating anti-tank guided missiles and grenades, approaching at speeds between 70 to 700 meters per second. The system employed eight 107mm anti-missile rockets, triggered by a pair of millimeter-wave radar sensors mounted on either side of the turret facing forwards. This configuration utilized the turret traverse to slew the protective devices into position. The rockets use time delay fuzing to activate a fragmentation charge at a safe distance from the tank. It is assumed that each radar sensor and rocket quad covers 40 degrees of the frontal arc. with an elevation of -6 +20 degrees. The rockets can be fired at any direction the turret points at, and rely on the the radar for early warning, target detection and intercept parameters (speed and direction). The original Drozd two quad-round launchers, utilizing four High Explosive Fragmentation charges, weighing 19kg each. The total system's weight is below 1,000kg. To provide 120 degrees coverage, Drozd-2 system was proposed, with five twin-rocket launch tubes and sensors mounted on different locations. The system is currently offered for the upgraded version of the T-80U. It is also proposed for the "Black Eagle" project.

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    Ево и једне сличице спреда

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    Orlovi rano lete,mada gde je IK-3,ili IKZ,smo sto je Z preraslo u 3 zbog uskih sukoba interesa samih konstruktora.

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    Alo, bre patriote....ako ne mozete izneti temu na srpskom, nemojte onda smarati stranim postovima. Sta vi sad nesto kao face, vladate engleskim ili sta dokazujete ? Treba li ja sada nesto na madjarskom da nadjem? Pa ko vas shisha sto ste neobrazovani ili ako vam se ne svidja -"sta trazite na ovom forumu"? Stop write english, write Serbian, please. It's very simple...If you dont mind...

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    Ovo je preuzeto sa sajta http://warfare.ru/ WARFARE.RU, panjumajesh? Imaju ruski i engleski, mogu da postavim i rusku verziju, ako hoces...

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    Zna li neko zasto se ruska vojska nije odrekla crvene petokrake?
    Čiste ruke
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    I vatreno srce

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    Ja. Sto te interesuje?

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    Citat Original postavio UberSukhoi Pogledaj poruku
    Ovo je preuzeto sa sajta http://warfare.ru/ WARFARE.RU, panjumajesh? Imaju ruski i engleski, mogu da postavim i rusku verziju, ako hoces...
    Brate, zasto komplikujes nepotrebno ? Srpsku verziju, razumes, Srpsku !? Ako vec mislis da si faca, budi koristan pa prevedi. Dodjem s' posla mrtav umoran ( da li ti je uopste poznat taj osecaj ? ) i moram "lupati glavu" oko prevoda...Mislim, svaki put se nadam, procitati nesto novo, korisno, interesantno... Ima ovde pametnih ljudi, a docekaju me prave tirade bez prevoda. Ajd, bez ljutnje, nemoj potpisivati tudje tekstove, ako ih ne mislis cirilizovati. Evo i zamoljavam te, nije me sramota, ali nam ubuduce priblizi doticnu tematiku... Nadam se da ti to ne predstavlja veliki problem. Panjumajesh ?

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    Da tavarishch!

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    Citat Original postavio UberSukhoi Pogledaj poruku
    Ja. Sto te interesuje?
    Pa eto zanima me, kao raskrstili su sa komunizmom, a zadrzali su simbole, to je neobicno, sto se nisu vratili tradicionalnoj heraldici carske Rusije. Ajd prosvetli nas kad si toliki strucnjak.
    Čiste ruke
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    Nema potreba da se izbacuje petokraka, ne asocira petokraka na avionima na komunizam, nego na Rusiju. Ipak su Ruski avioni uvek bili pravi respekt. (od'ebite sad s' Nemcima, ne govorim o 2 sv ratu) Na kraju krajeva, avioni sa petokrakom na krilima/repu su uvek bili vrh, zar ne? Evo, pogledaj ovaj prototip Sukhoi T-50, (ne govorim sad o avionu) ima belu petokraku zvezdu na krilima, interesantno, a i orao i zvezda mogu zajedno, Rusi su uvek bili likovi.


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    ovaj je pljunuti F-22.ko tu koga kopira!!!!

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    Mislim da vise lici na YF-23 Crna Udovica

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