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Da li je PVO Srbije 1999. oborila B-2,stelt bombarder

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Kao sto rekoh:
Pilot, kapetan Ken “Viz” Dvili se katapultirao i pozvao pomoć. U helikopterima SFOR-a koji su doleteli u reon obaranja aviona kako bi izvukli pilota bilo je između 23 i 55 stranih vojnika. Spasilački helikopteri su bili dočekani strašnom vatrom sa zemlje, te su uništeni a u njima su poginuli svi vojnici, među njima i pilot Dvili.


Ko je onda Dave Zelko????
 
Na ovom sajtu, moze se pogledati film o Dave Zelko pilotu f 177, koji je bio oboren nad Srbijom.

http://www.smithsonianchannel.com/sc/web/show/131317/stealth-flying-invisible

Ken Dwillie pise i danas na ostatcima kabine oborenog aviona u surcinskom muzeju vazduhoplovstva.....

Po meni, neuspeo pokusaj serviranja price o nepobedivosti USAF.


Zato i mislim da su im gubitci bili mnogo veci nego sto priznaju, ali mnogo manji nego sto je nama receno....dve istine za dve nacije....

Ona prava istina, bojim se, nikada nece biti poznata....
 
Evo, mozda se ovde kriju neki od odgovora???

Još u toku rata 1999 godine, Slobodan Milošević i tadašnji Generalštab prihvatili su ultimatum NATO pakta da se ne objavljuju gubici NATO-a nad Jugoslavijom, pod pretnjom tepiha bombi kojima će biti zasuti Beograd i ostali srpski gradovi. Tako je ispalo da “pobednički” NATO nema gubitaka, a pritom su Džejmi Šej, đavolov šegrt - ataše za štampu NATO pakta, i njegov pomoćnik na svakodnevnim konferencijama za štampu, nemački general major Jerc, poslednji preživeli iz porodice braće Marks, bezočno lagali o zbivanjima u toku rata na nebu Jugoslavije. Da se priča uskoro ne bi ponovila, kada naši vojnici budu poslati da ratuju za SAD, da ne bi smo slušali tipična američka vojna saopštenja, koja daju u svakom ratu u kome ginu njihovi vojnici, da nisu poginuli u borbi već u saobraćajnim nesrećama i raznim drugim nezgodama tipa padanja sa merdevina, da ne bi smo ponovo zaboravili poginule srpske vojnike, u ovom tekstu vraćam priču na rat iz 1999 godine, jer više volim istinu od laži, a nisam ni Milošević ili Pavković.


http://www.astrologyinserbia.com/s/21/nato_tajne.htm
 
a na ovmo sajtu http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=1403 imate JAKO DETALJNE PODATKE o oborenim avionima, pilotima i ostalom NATO oruzju, unistenom iznad Srbije, po datumima, lokacijama i imenima i prezimenima, cinovima i sudbinom pilota.....


Total: 61 aircraft, 7 helicopters, 30 UAVs and over 238 cruise missiles. These numbers include only those NATO aircraft that crashed in Yugoslavia
 
ili ovo:


Pentagon acknowledged the loss of one F-117A (USAF 49th FW / 8th FS F-117A 82-0806/'HO'), which was shot down by a Yugoslav SAM of undetermined type (possibly SA-3 or SA-6) and crashed near the village Budjenovci. From the available footage of the F-117A wreckage it is possible to see bullet holes in the wing of the bomber, probably caused by a 23mm anti-aircraft gun. The damage to the rest of the aircraft seemed severe and looked like it indeed was caused by a SAM. Latest information suggests that the F-117 was shot down by an SA-3 surface-to-air missile with optical guidance. Pentagon officially confirmed that the F-117A was tracked by an enemy radar and that two SAMs were launched at the aircraft. In an interview with Associated Press on November 24, 1999, retired USAF Gen. Richard Hawley, formerly the head of Air Combat Command at Langley AFB in Virginia, talked about the loss of the F-117A 82-0806 during the Kosovo conflict. Gen. Hawley said that prior to the aircraft's departure from Aviano there "was a better that 50 / 50 chance it would be shot down. Those are unacceptable odds." After retiring from the USAF on June 11, 1999, Hawley blamed US field commander and other military planners for not correctly understanding the strengths and weaknesses of the aircraft. Hawley said "They put the 117 into a situation it wasn't designed to handle, so we lost the airplane, and I attribute it as much to a breakdown in our mission planning as to anything else... It encountered defenses we knew it was not designed to handle and it didn't need to get put into that situation." The USAF investigated the loss of the F-117A, however, keeps its findings classified.
The downing of the second F-117A was reported by the Russian National News Service in their March 27, 1999 special report. In regard to the first F-117A shot down, witnesses say that the aircraft was taken out by a SAM. From the available footage of the F-117A wreckage it is possible to see bullet holes in the wing of the bomber, probably caused by a 23mm anti-aircraft gun. The damage to the rest of the aircraft seemed severe and looked like it indeed was caused by a SAM. Pentagon officially confirmed that the F-117A was tracked by an enemy radar and that two SAMs were launched at the aircraft.
More information on the downing of the first F-117A here.
New photos of the shot down F-117A here. A video here (3,551Kb, mpeg)
I've seen the Le Parisien's photo of a downed "F-117", as was reported in their 03-29-99 issue. Evidently the newspaper was wrong and the photographed plane is not the Night Hawk but a MiG-29. Perhaps one of the two Fulcrums downed by NATO over Bosnia.
BBC mentioned a possibility of a second F-117 loss.
April 1 Radio-Zagreb, Yugoslav TV and other sources reported that a US F-117A stealth bomber had to make an emergency landing in Zagreb Airport. Apparently the aircraft sustained heavy damage from Yugoslav air defenses. I have strong reasons to believe that this report was not an April Fool's joke, despite of Croatian Radio 101 tying to present it that way (and being suspiciously persistent at that). Several articles appeared recently in in US press that speculate that a Czech-made Tamara anti-stealth radar may have been transferred to Yugoslavia and now is being used against American stealth aircraft.
April 6 According to the Serbian television report from 04-06-99, a NATO aircraft (presumably another F-117) was shot down early Tuesday morning (04-06-99) in the hilly area of Fruska Gora, 100 km (60 miles) northwest of Belgrade, after NATO aircraft bombed a refinery in the nearby city of Novi Sad. Related Reuters report here. This was one of two NATO aircraft shot down over Yugoslavia on 04-06-99. The second unidentified jet was downed near Novi Sad after it bombed a bridge over Danube. The pilot is believed to have ejected.
April 21 April 21 An F-117A 86-0837/'OT' of the USAF 422nd TES "suffered extensive damage in an unspecified landing accident, details unconfirmed, but reported as a Class A accident." (source: Air Forces Monthly, August 1999, p. 74) "Class A" accident normally means that the plane was totaled or came very near.
April 30 An F-117A of the 49th FW was damaged during strike mission by a nearby explosion of an SA-3 SAM, "...causing loss of part of the tail section, but the aircraft was able to return safely to Spangdahlem air base, Germany." (source: Air Force Monthly, July 1999, p. 75)
April 5, 2000 The ITAR-TASS news agency published a report based on the information provided by the GRU - Russian army's intelligence service. The report indicates that NATO lost three F-117A tactical stealth bombers and at least 40 other planes and over 1000 missiles.
July 30, 2000 According to a Pentagon source, one of the F-117As damaged during the operation "Allied Force" was scrapped. Available information suggests that this might have been the F-117A of the 49th FW that was damaged during strike mission by a nearby explosion of an SA-3 SAM on April 30. The missile strike caused loss of part of the tail section, but the aircraft was able to return safely to Spangdahlem air base, Germany. Alternatively, this could have been the F-117A 86-0837/'OT' of the USAF 422nd TES, which suffered extensive damage in an unspecified "Class A" landing accident. I am trying to establish the serial number of the F-117A recently written-off by the USAF. If you have any information regarding this, please e-mail me.

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Svojim usima sam cuo da je zagrebacki radio 101 javio da se na njihov aerodrom spustio tesko osteceni f117a, ostetivsi pri tom i zgradu tornja....
 
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User currently offlineMiG31 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted Sun Dec 2 2001 19:24:55 your local time (11 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3905 times:

Hi!

I just found some info about nato a/c losses during campaign in Yougoslavia and it is rather shocking really... this seems like all true info and it even has pictures...
Wow!

Here's the list of a/c and some info about them:

1. 24.03. 20:20 Mt. Cicavica
2. 20:35 near Titel NATO plane that was hit with an air to air missile fired by MiG-29 pilot Nebojsa Nikolic. Airplane crashed several minutes later
3. 20:18 Mt. Jastrebac German Tornado
4. near Lazarevac One NATO aircraft hit with an AA missile fired by a pilot Slobodan Peric. Further destiny of the plane is not known
5. 21:30 Kosovo
6. 25.03. 0:30 Adriatic sea According to Greek military sources, there were two registered "MAYDAY" calls from NATO aircraft
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8. 1:00 airfield Rajlovac, Sarajevo Emergency landing of one F-15 spewing thick, white smoke
9. 23:00 2 F/A-18 Hornets that crashed 11km south of Ruma. According to reports, at least one was Canadian
10. 23:10
11. 23:30 area between Pristina and Podujevo
12. around 23:30 Mt. Fruska Gora One aircraft shot down (according to reports, F-117A) who's pilot ejected and was captured in the village Krusedol. He was then taken to the nearest police station
13. Mt. Fruska Gora One German Tornado shot down. Crew ejected. Pilot, male was killed while the female navigator was captured in the village Remeta and taken to the same police station as the pilot from the alleged F-117
14. 26.03. 17:20 village Donja Trnova, 15km southwest of Bijeljina, Republic of Srpska American F-15E. Crew was killed. The plane was shot down by a MiG-21.
15. 27.03. around 1:00 Mt. Maljen German Tornado. Crew ejected and landed in the vicinity of the village Konjevici, near Cacak, where they were captured
16. near Pec
17. around 3:00 area between Vrutak and Kremna, near Uzice
18. around 3:20 area between Vrutak and Kremna, near Uzice SFOR helicopter with 22 soldiers on board. After a short gunfight with the Yugoslav infantry unit, helicopter was destroyed by Strela-1M mobile SAM. No survivors.
19. north of Sombor One NATO airplane hit. No further information
20. before morning Ion sea According to Greek military sources, there were three registered "MAYDAY" messages. One from Dutch F-16, one from American F-15 and a third from one French aircraft (probably Mirage 2000)
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23. 15:50 Djeneral Jankovic, near Macedonian border Canadian F/A-18 Hornet. Plane crashed on the Macedonian territory
24. around 17:00 near Budjanovci
25. 20:55 Budjanovci F-117A, serial number HO AF 82/806. Pilot Cpt. Ken 'Wiz' Dwelle was rescued, according to NATO. Aircraft shot down by Col. Gvozden Djukic's air defense unit

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nastavak:

26. 22:30 Macedonian border Rescue helicopter shot down
27. 28.03. 2:50 Zabrdje, near Bijeljina Most probably an American F-15. Pilot was killed. Some sources say that it was in fact an F-117!
28. 3:00 near Bijeljina SFOR helicopter HH-60 Pave Hawk with 12 soldiers on board. Only two crew members survived
29. Loznica region Pilot ejected
30. 3:00 Gornji Milanovac Pilot ejected and captured shortly after
31. 16:00 Bijeljina Aircraft hit over Yugoslavia crashed in Bosnia.
32. 22:30 Macedonian border Rescue helicopter shot down
33. 23:50 Pristina Pilot killed
34. 23:55 Mt. Pastrik, near Prizrena Aircraft crashed in Macedonia
35. 29.03. 3:00 village Gakovo, near Sombor Pilot ejected and reportedly escaped to Hungary
36. 1:30 village Stojna, 14km from Pale, Republic of Srpska Some sources say that it was either F-15 or F-16, American. Pilot ejected but found dead later on. His neck was broken
37. 30.03. around 1:00 near Virpazar British Harrier. Pilot ejected but was soon captured
38. around 1:00 near Virpazar With the second missile, one aircraft that was in Harrier's escort was hit. Most probably an American F-16 that was hit over Montenegro. His pilot turned the airplane back to Italy but flying above the Adriatic, lost altitude and crashed near several NATO vessels. The pilot was picked up by a French rescue unit
39. 2:30 Mt. Cer Aircraft hit over Cer mountain crashed in Bosnia. According to the reports, it was a German Tornado. Crew ejected
40. 8:00 Surcin
41. 16:30 near Vranje According to reports, Tornado aircraft. Crew ejected and landed in the area between two villages, on the road to Kriva Feja
42. 23:30 Prizren Airplane crashed on Mt. Sara (Sar planina). According to information, it was a British Tornado. Crew ejected and landed onto a KLA controlled territory. They were escorted by the KLA to the Albanian border and handed to NATO representatives
43. before midnight Obla Glava, near Aleksinac UAV
44. 31.03. evening near Gnjilane F-117 crashed in Macedonia after being hit
45. 18:00 Rescue helicopter with 20 commandos on board
46. Sirig, north of Novi Sad German Tornado. Crew ejected and captured shortly after that
47. 22:30 Mt. Tara
48. 22:45 Mt. Tara NATO rescue helicopter CH-53 with 25 commandos. Helicopter shot down by Strela-2M portable SAM. No survivors
49. 01.04. 1:00 Mt. Tara NATO (possibly SFOR) helicopter CH-53 Stallion with 25 crew members. Helicopter shot dwon by Strela-2M portable SAM. No survivors
50. 3:05 airfield Pleso, Zagreb Crash-landing of one damaged F-117A
51. 7:00 Kosovo Aircraft hit over Kosovo crashed into suburban area of Skopje
52. 03.04. 19:30 Banja Luka region One F-16 seen over the town spewing thick, black smoke
53. 19:45 Novi Sad Aircraft damaged during the attack on Novi Sad's bridge "Most Slobode". Airplane crashed near Stara Pazova. Pilot captured
54. 04.04. before midnight near Uzice One NATO aircraft damaged (most probably F/A-18 Hornet). Aircraft dropped two full fuel tanks and immediately after that, touched with one of its wings a power line. It is not known whether the plane crashed or not
55. 05.04. 2:20 Obrenovac
56. 3:03 Zlatibor
57. evening between Dolovo and Banatsko Novo Selo, near Pancevo Aircraft downed by Lt.Col. Zoran Damnjanovic's air defense unit. There are some indications that another plane was shot down as well
58. 21:00 Mt. Fruska Gora One NATO plane downed. Pilot ejected near 'Pobeda' factory and was soon captured. Most likely F-117A
59. 20:00 Novi Sad During the attack on Novi Sad's "Zezelj" bridge, one German Tornado was shot down. Crew ejected and was captured shortly after
60. 06.04. 2:30 Aleksinac Dutch F-16
61. 4:20 Mt. Fruska Gora During the attack on Crveni Cot TV tower, one plane was downed. Pilot ejected and landed in the vicinity of village Remete. There is information suggesting that it was an F-117
62. after midnight Pristina NATO plane was hit while over the town. Aircraft crashed on Mt. Sara, near Skopje
63. 5:00 south of Fruska Gora Two NATO rescue helicopters with soldiers on board
64.
65. after midnight village Svinjare, near Kosovska Mitrovica
66. 11:10 Mt. Skopska Crna Gora Two NATO SAR helicopters with 40 commandos on board. No survivors
67.
68. after midnight Yugoslav-Albanian border (Montenegro) NATO helicopter with 20 soldiers and one rescued pilot on board. No survivors
69. around 22:00 Hill Zabucje, Uzice One aircraft hit and damaged
70. 23:30 Vozdovac, Belgrade Dogfight between Yugoslav Mig-21 and US F-15. F-15 crashed near Avala mountain. Confirmed by an eyewitness
71. 07.04. 0:00 near Pristina One NATO aircraft hit which headed in flames toward Macedonia. Near Skopska Crna Gora, one plane was seen in flames and after that, a powerful explosion was heard with a huge blast. It is assumed that the aircraft crashed
72. 2:00 Podgorica French Mirage 2000. Missile missed but pilot ejected anyway
73. 22:30 Kosovo Airplane hit over Kosovo crashed near Skopje
74. before midnight near Pristina American UAV Hunter shot down by Lt.Col. Brajan Vukicevic's air defense unit
75. before midnight Ljig
76. before midnight near Novi Sad Belgian F-16B. 42 year old pilot and 28 years old female co-pilot captured. Plane was shot down by Aleksandar Sunjka with 20mm AAA
77. 08.04. after midnight near Nis German Tornado. Crew captured
78. 12:40 Kosovo Aircraft crashed near Skopje
79. 09.04. 23:30 Ivanovo, near Belgrade
80. 10.04. 2:00 Batajnica NATO rescue helicopter shot down ad crashed into Danube
81. 15:45 Suva Reka region Crashed near Kumanovo
82. before midnight near Nis
83. 11.04. 0:12 Backi Brestovac, near Crvenka German. Most probably Tornado
84. 1:00 between Sombor and Odzaci An unidentified NATO aircraft was shot down by two radar-guided Kub SAMs * (may be the same as the above entry)
85. 11:20 Kosovo NATO aircraft shot down by Major Stojan Simijonovic's air defense unit. Plane crashed in Macedonia
86. 12.04. 0:21 between Belgrade and Pancevo
87. 21:30 village Osmaci, near Tuzla British Sea Harrier. Pilot killed. Aircraft was hit over Zrenjanin, where it jettisoned its fuel tanks
88. before midnight Kosovo German UAV CL-289
89. 13.04. after midnight near Batajnica airfield
90. after midnight Jabuka, north of Pancevo
91. 1:00 Olujci
92. after midnight near Srbinje (ex Foca), Bosnia Pilot killed
93. after midnight village Kadijina Cesma, near Tuzla
94. after midnight Bela Crkva, near Vrsac Probably Harrier
95. 23:00 Jabuka road, Pancevo
96. 14.04. after midnight Kosovo Polje German UAV CL-289
97. 0:10 Priboj
98. morning Kosovo German UAV CL-289
99. after midnight Yugoslav-Romanian border Two fuel tanks and several other F-15 parts found. No further information
100. 9:00 Crashed in Lopare, near Tuzla
101. 10:00* Sirig, north of Novi Sad Aircraft crashed near Kamendin agronomic well. Pilot ejected and captured
102. 10:05* near Belgrade
103. 11:50 Crashed near Mesaric
104. 12:00 Debrca, Vladimirci district
105. 15.04. 0:00 Krusevac F-16
106. 1:42 Dobovac, near Uzice
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ima jos:

107. 1:45 Avala mountain, south of Belgrade Confirmed by an eyewitness
108. 1:59 Dobovac, near Uzice
109. 2:00 Kula
110. 2:00 near Priboj
111. 3:00 Mt. Bjelasnica, Bosnia
112. 12:43 Vladimirci, near Sabac
113. 19:30 Podgorica Tornado. Airplane shot down by Lt. Zdravko Bankovic, with L70 Bofors. Aircraft crashed into Lake Skadar. According to some other info, plane was shot own by Lt. Goran Ratkovic
114. 19:35 Podgorica French Mirage 2000. Airplane shot down by Lt. Zdravko Bankovic, with L70 Bofors. Plane crashed on Rumija mountain. Pilot ejected and captured shortly after. According to some other info, plane was shot own by Lt. Goran Ratkovic
115. 19:45 near Podgorica One NATO aircraft shot down by soldier Predrag Dzonic with Strela-2M portable SAM. Pilot ejected and landed in the village of Kruse where he was captured
116. 23:30 airfield Petrovec, Skopje Crash-landing of one heavily damaged A-10. Plane was hit with two portable SAMs
117. 16.04. 17:30 southern Kosovo A-10 shot down by soldier Dragan Petrovic with portable SAM. Plane crashed on Macedonian territory, near the border post Debelde
118. 19:51 Podgorica Tornado
119. 22:45 New Belgrade (Novi Beograd)
120. 23:11 Pancevo
121. 23:15 Podgorica French Mirage 2000
122. 17.04. 3:17 Mt. Skopska Crna Gora, Macedonia British Sea Harrier
123. 11:00 Milosev Do, near Prijepolja Probably British Sea Harrier
124. 14:30 Urosevac Airplane crashed 4 km into Macedonian territory, near the village Tanusevci. Pilot killed
125. 17:08 Bogatic One Tornado crashed on Fruska Gora mountain
126. 22:10 Cerevic, Fruska Gora Several structural parts of Tornado aircraft were found. Plane was hit and damaged and headed in flames, while spewing thick, black smoke toward Croatian airspace, where it probably crashed
127. 22:10 Loznica Aircraft hit with two missiles crashed in Bosnia
128. 23:30 near Valjevo One aircraft hit with Strela-2M portable SAM. Immediately after that, plane jettisoned its fuel tanks and headed for Ljubovija. Several minutes later, a powerful explosion was heard. Aircraft crashed near Bratunac, Bosnia. Crash confirmed by Yugoslav border patrol and local villagers
129. 18.04. 0:50 Mountain Skopska Crna Gora, Macedonia One US A-10 crashed after being hit over Kosovo
130. 0:51 airfield Petrovec, Skopje Crash landing of one heavily damaged A-10 Thunderbolt II
131. 0:55 Kosovska Mitrovica
132. 2:00 Pristina UAV
133. around 3:00 Mt. Povlen One Tornado was damaged. Aircraft headed toward Sarajevo airfield but crashed in the village Crvica, near Skelani, in the Republic of Srpska
134. 16:10 Mt. Cicevica, near Pristina Blew up while airborne. Most probably an F-16
135. 16:15 Mt. Cicevica, near Pristina Blew up while airborne
136. 19:00 near Pristina Plane crashed on Mt. Cicavica
137. before midnight near Tuzla American UAV Predator
138. 22:30 Jelovski Kamen, near Tetovo Tornado
139. 23:00 airfield Rajlovac, Sarajevo Crash-landing of one Danish F-16. Plane was damaged by a SAM
140. 19.04. after midnight village Jegunovce, near Tetovo German UAV CL-289
141. 10:30 Tetovo, Macedonia Tornado
142. 14:01 Kumanovo, Macedonia
143. Smederevo During the attack on the bridge in Smederevo, one aircraft shot down by a SAM
144. 23:00 Mt. Veliki Jastrebac
145. 23:30 Mt. Veliki Jastrebac NATO helicopter with rescue troops
146. 23:15 Urosevac
147. 20.04. 2:30 Mt. Rudnik, Topola
148. 3:15 Mt. Rudnik, village Cumic
149. 19:00 Gornje Stanovce, near Vucitrn UAV
150. 23:00 near Vranje
151. 23:30 Mt. Jastrebac Rescue helicopter
152. 23:50 near Beocin Two F-15 fuel tanks found filled with bullet holes. Aircraft crashed in the area between Vukovar and Osijek
153. 21.04. 16:00 Mt. Fruska Gora One NATO plane damaged. Several parts were found. Aircraft crashed in Croatia
154. 23:40 Vozdovac, Belgrade Hit with several 30mm AAA Praga rounds. Crashed into Lipovica forrest (Lipovacka suma) Confirmed by an eyewitness
155. 22.04. 0:43 Orlovaca Rescue helicopter
156. 1:20 Lipovica, near Belgrade Rescue helicopter. Crew killed, helicopter captured
157. Sonta, near Apatin American UAV Predator
158. 18:00 Kursumlija Wreckage found in town's vicinity
159. 18:05 Kursumlija Wreckage found in Lebane region
160. 23.04. 2:28 Makis, Belgrade
161. 4:20 area between Surcin and Jakovo
162. 4:40 Lipovica, near Belgrade Rescue helicopter
163. 15:00 near Pristina One NATO plane damaged. Several parts were found on the scene. While spewing thick, white smoke, aircraft headed for Albania where it most probably crashed

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i zakljucak:

OK, this list is big... and its only for one month... so eeehhmmm...
I was also surpised by number 14... A MiG-21 shot down an F-15... Ofcourse I never believed this bs (excuse the langage) about F-15 never been shot down ( I know a lot of cases) but by MIG-21!!! I mean it was a great a/c at a time but today... Wow!
 
1)Reliable sources from Aviano, Italy, report that in the present course of the NATO air campaign, a total of 3 F-117A Nighthawk aircraft have been taken out of commission.
Apart from the widely publicized one, a second one had crashed in Croatia, and the third did manage to land in Aviano, but was damaged enough to be officially deemed a total loss.
The source went on to say that 4 pilots stationed in Aviano - three Americans and one Dutchman - never returned to base, and that the second Apache helicopter that crashed two weeks ago did so as a result of Yugoslav anti-aircraft fire, as it was trying to enter Yugoslav air space. Finally, these sources pointed out that American pilots, discontent with the perils of their mission, managed last week to effectuate a 25% pay raise (plus bonuses for hitting certain targets), and that a total of 18 aircraft are out of commission in Aviano as a
result of Yugoslav Air Defense action.

---> 2)BONN, May 18 (AFP) - Germany suspended flights by unmanned planes over Yugoslavia Tuesday, a day after it lost its fourth drone since the start of the NATO air campaign, the defence ministry announced.

A ministry spokesman said flights by German drones will not resume until the reasons for the loss of the latest plane are established.

---> 3) "Nato is suffering significant losses. Reliable alternative sources in Washington have counted up to 38 aircraft crashed or shot down, and an undisclosed number of American and British special forces killed.
This is suppressed, of course." [...] (from London Guardian, 5/18/99, "Acts of Murder", by John Pilger)

---> 4)RTS [Serbian radio and television] showed today the remnants of an American A-10 Thunderbolt aircraft, reportedly shot down by Yugoslav air defenses of the Pristina Corps.
The RTS footage showed parts of an engine, including the fan. Standing before the front side of the engine, reporter M. Drecun pointed out that it took a direct hit.
An identification plate was also shown, displaying the following: model A10a series A 40662; code 77751.

---> 5)Serbian MiG-29 intercepted a F-117A. The pilot of the Stealth plane ejected, and NATO claimed that he was rescued by special American helicopter-deployed units;
Clinton even decorated this team for "courage and heroism". But the US still cannot show the pilot to journalists and Serbian police is apparently still searching for him in the dense forests near the place of crash.

---> 6) NATO UAV losses during Kosovo conflict
Combat Non-Combat
Hunter 5 3
Predator 2 1
Pioneer 2 2? (possibly Combat)
Phoenix 2 0
CL-289 (GE) 5 0
CL-289 (FR) 2 0
Crecerelle 3 0

Total 21 6

http://defence-data.com/features/fpage34.htm
 
Ovaj decko "bluewings" se bas potrudio: http://www.steelbeasts.com/sbforums/archive/index.php/t-4572.html

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Moje pitanje: ko je oboren Darell(a ne Dave ) Zelko ili Ken Dwillie, ostaje...(prvo ime se da videti i danas na ostatcima f177a, a drugo je zvanicno navedeno od strane NATO)

Znaci li to da su dva f117a oborena? Ako je tako, zasto ne bi bilo i drugih pogodaka koji su sakrivani od strane NATO!?
 
Prevazidjeni lovac bombarder protiv agilnijeg i boljeg f15....nepojmljivo za amere...

nisam bas 100% siguran, ali je vrlo moguce da uz malo srece i orao moze da smakne f15 (ako je na orlu sve ispravno i odgovarajuce je naoruzan).
f15 je agilniji i bolji, podrazumeva se ... i ima lepse oznake i ribe se vise loze na f15 nego na orla itd. :super:
 
Ovaj decko "bluewings" se bas potrudio: http://www.steelbeasts.com/sbforums/archive/index.php/t-4572.html

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Moje pitanje: ko je oboren Darell(a ne Dave ) Zelko ili Ken Dwillie, ostaje...(prvo ime se da videti i danas na ostatcima f177a, a drugo je zvanicno navedeno od strane NATO)

Znaci li to da su dva f117a oborena? Ako je tako, zasto ne bi bilo i drugih pogodaka koji su sakrivani od strane NATO!?

Za ovaj nemacki tornado - dvosed, iz prve ruke mi je pricao covek koji je bio zaduzen za spasavanje nasih pilota i potragu za oborenim stranim pilotima. Nasli su ih, obojica su bili mrtvi u kokpitu. Ko veruje, veruje, ko ne veruje, zabole me...
 
Za ovaj nemacki tornado - dvosed, iz prve ruke mi je pricao covek koji je bio zaduzen za spasavanje nasih pilota i potragu za oborenim stranim pilotima. Nasli su ih, obojica su bili mrtvi u kokpitu. Ko veruje, veruje, ko ne veruje, zabole me...
Što bi trpeo bolove ako ti neko ne veruje?
Njegov problem.

Vidim da mnogo ko pita šta je bilo sa NATO pilotima 1999.
Vrlo jednostavno, što nisu pobili prebesni seljaci, što se nije na smrt polomilo, ili pobeglo
to je uglavnom u grupi upakovano u transportni avion i vraćeno NATO-u po potpisivanju primirja.
 
Što bi trpeo bolove ako ti neko ne veruje?
Njegov problem.

Vidim da mnogo ko pita šta je bilo sa NATO pilotima 1999.
Vrlo jednostavno, što nisu pobili prebesni seljaci, što se nije na smrt polomilo, ili pobeglo
to je uglavnom u grupi upakovano u transportni avion i vraćeno NATO-u po potpisivanju primirja.

nije to primirje nego kapitulacija sa donacijom kosova i metohije.

u svako slucaju, jedna od stavki toga sto smo potisali je da se nikada ne objave nato gubici pa nisu ni objavljeni.
da jesu ne znam kako bi javnostima svojih demokratskih drzava junacki nato objasnio koliko su nayebali iznad srbije,
a srpska pvo iz pecinskog doba pa jos polu ispravna.

jbg, boj ne bije f117 no boj bije modifikovana raketa made in serbia ... :per:
 
Mislis na ovo?

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u konkursu za najbolje idejno resenje mislim da je bilo i naprednjijih kreacija... i radi. :hahaha:

sad ti objasni pilotu f 16 da ga neko juri pajserom na par km visine da ga bije ?

:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

LOL

Tu se vidi da je raketa na buster raketi i na podvesnom nosaču sa borbenog aviona. Pošto je to radarski navođena raketa tipa v-v potreban joj je radar sa kojim je u sprezi, ali i brzina pre njenog angažmana. Dakle, ceo sistem je stvoren da oponaša uslove lansiranja v-v rakete sa borbenog aviona. Buster raketa joj daje početnu brzinu, radar i podvesni nosač su skinuti sa borbenog aviona. Dakle, bez obzira na sve - odlična dosetka.
 
Tu se vidi da je raketa na buster raketi i na podvesnom nosaču sa borbenog aviona. Pošto je to radarski navođena raketa tipa v-v potreban joj je radar sa kojim je u sprezi, ali i brzina pre njenog angažmana. Dakle, ceo sistem je stvoren da oponaša uslove lansiranja v-v rakete sa borbenog aviona. Buster raketa joj daje početnu brzinu, radar i podvesni nosač su skinuti sa borbenog aviona. Dakle, bez obzira na sve - odlična dosetka.

pa dobro, neka se i ostali malo potrude, ne moramo bas da im odamo sve tajne recepta. ko je hteo da zna, zna odavno, ko ne zna, neka ne zna i dalje.
 
U stvari tu je ona naša priča o upotrebi protivgradnih raketa u svrhu PVO i ostvarena. Protivgradna raketa je podizala raketu v-v (vidi se sa slike da je to ona visokomanevarska R-27 raketa), a radar je sa svojim zahvatom i ciljanjem obezbeđivao zaključavanje i napad na metu na nebu. Ostaje još samo jedno pitanje, koje je relevantno, a to je, da li je radar u sebi imao lažiranje brzine leta aviona, jer to lažiranje mora biti makar isto koliko je i brzina leta v-v rakete na buster raketi, kako bi se uračunala početna brzina, preticanje i ostali potrebni uslovi da se možemo nadati pogotku.

Ako je ostvareno sve ovo i još mnogo više, što je svakako iznad dometa mog laičkog znanja, još jednom da ponovim: alal im vera!
 

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