Bunjevci i Šokci nisu Hrvati

srbinXP

Zainteresovan član
Poruka
115
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

izvor:http://www.dnevnik.co.yu/arhiva/09-04-2002/Strane/spec.htm

POPIS IZAZIVA RAZLIČITE DILEME U NACIONALNO ŠAROLIKOJ SUBOTICI
Bunjevci stariji od Miloševića
Politički angažovani Bunjevci se žale da ih politički angažovani Hrvati ne priznaju. - Hrvati tvrde da su Jugosloveni i Bunjevci izmišljotina bivšeg režima, a ekolozi da nova vlast nije dobila mandat da briše jugoslovenstvo

Najava i tok popisa u nacionalno šarolikoj Subotici izaziva različita reagovanja stranaka. Po svemu sudeći, specifičan slučaj su Bunjevci. Potpredsednik Izvršnog odbora Bunjevačko-šokačke stranke Nikola Vizin je nedavno na godišnjoj skupštini svoje stranke obavestio članstvo da je na sastanku predstavnika svih nacionalnih manjina uoči donošenja Zakona o manjinama uspeo da spreči prihvatanje zahteva Demokratskog saveza Hrvata Vojvodine da se Bunjevci brišu kao nacionalna zajednica. Predsednik IO BŠS Nikola Babić dodaje i to da se na Bunjevce i dalje vrši pritisak, i politički i verski, i, praktično, agresija na nacionalnu samobitnost.
- Dozvolili smo sebi da budemo podeljeni i zaboravimo sopstveno i ime pradedova i pogazili smo amanet koji su nam ostavili da budemo svoji ljudi. To nam više nije potrebno jer ovo nije 1945. kada smo jednim dekretom Titovog izaslanika morali biti tretirani kao Hrvati - objašnjava Babić, navodeći podatke da je Bunjevaca po popisu iz 1934. u Subotici bilo 43.872 a 1991. godine 17.439.
Zbog sumnje u regularnost popisa i zbog sastava popisivača, među kojima nema ni jednog Bunjevca, Vizin je čak najavio i zahtev za poništenje popisa ukoliko podaci ne budu verodostojni.
 
srbinXP:
A ko ti je rekao da u toj okolini Bune živješe samo Hrvati?
Osim toga teza o porijeklu Bunjevaca sa Bune je samo jedna od pretpostavki.
ako si željan naučne rasprave,posjeti malo http://p087.ezboard.com/fistorijabalkanafrm31 forum o Bunjevcima i Šokcima.

Ovo je najvjerojatnije, poredeći narječja ljudi u okolici rijeke Bune u Hercegovine i govora Bunjevaca u okolici Subotice...
 
i da je tako,ko kaže da su Hrvati?

Evo malo dovoljno da zaintrigira:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunjevci

Bunjevatz
(Redirected from Bunjevci)

Bunjevci (singular Bunjevac, pronounced Bunye'vtzi and Bunye'vatz resp.) are a South Slav ethnic group originally from the Dinaric Alps region, now mostly living in the Bačka/Bácska (today northern Serbia or Vojvodina) and southern Hungary, particularly in the Baja region. They migrated from their previous location into Bačka in several groups in 1682, 1686, 1687. Bunjevci also live in present-day Lika (Krajina), Western Herzegovina as well as the Dalmatian hinterland.

There are several explanations for their name, most common of which is that it comes from the river Buna in Central Herzegovina, their supposed original homeland before their migrations. However, it is not exactly certain from which exact part of the Dinaric Alps the Bunjevci came. Due to the fact they speak the ikavian štokavian dialect of the Serbo-Croatian group, some claim that they originate from northwestern Herzegovina and northern Dalmatia.

EzCode Parsing Error: size=3]Historic documents also refer to Bunjevci as Dalmatians, EzCode Parsing Error: color=blue size=3]Catholic Serbs (Catholic as well as Bosnians.[/b][/font] In October 1918, they held a national convention in Subotica and decided to secede Vojvodina from Hungary and join Serbia. This was confirmed at the Great National Assembly of the Serbs, Bunjevci and other Slavs in Novi Sad, which proclaimed unification with the Kingdom of Serbia in November of 1918.

EzCode Parsing Error: size=3]Nationally, the Magyar censa from 1880 onward to 1910 numbered the Bunjevci distinctly, separate from the Serbs even though they were referred to as EzCode Parsing Error: color=blue size=3]Catho.[/b][/font]

The creation of the Kingdom of the Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (renamed Yugoslavia in 1929) brought the Bačka Bunjevci in contact with the Croats. Through political rapprochement, some Bunjevci began developping a Croat national feeling. This was continued in Communist Yugoslavia which on the census of 1948]] did not officially recognize the Bunjevci counting all declared as such to be nothing more than Bačka Croats.

The 1990's saw a comeback of the Bunjevac national movement with their official recognition as a minority group in Serbia in 1990. In the 1991 and 2002 censa, the community was divided around the issue of the name: 20,000 declared themselves Bunjevci in terms of ethnicity whereas some 25,000 opted for the Croatdom. Save for some colonists who arrived after 1945 from Croatia, both halves of the community consider themselves ethnologically as Bunjevci, although each subscribing to its interpretation of the term.
 
Bunjevci i Sokci nisu Hrvati..
To su Srbi katolicke vere..
Madjari su ih zvali Raci..

In 1840, an Austro-Hungarian population census was conducted in the crownland of Croatia and Slavonia. There were 1,605,730 people, of which:

* 777,880 Croats (48%)
* 504,179 Serbs (32%)
* 297,747 Šokci (19%)
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sokci nisu bili Hrvati u Slavoniji i Hrvatskoj po popisu 1840 godine...
 
Bunjevci i Sokci nisu Hrvati..
To su Srbi katolicke vere..
Madjari su ih zvali Raci..

In 1840, an Austro-Hungarian population census was conducted in the crownland of Croatia and Slavonia. There were 1,605,730 people, of which:

* 777,880 Croats (48%)
* 504,179 Serbs (32%)
* 297,747 Šokci (19%)
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sokci nisu bili Hrvati u Slavoniji i Hrvatskoj po popisu 1840 godine...

A pa zato su Srbi zvali Hrvate sokcima. Sad su ti sikci hrvati .
 
vidim da postoji tema(jeste da je stara) da ne otvaram novu! znaci i ja vas pitam da li su bunjevci sokci hrvati?!

Па ако они кажу да нису - онда нису. То не може било ко да им приговори јер би то било кршење основних људских права.

У Бг. знам да све 'рвате називамо Шокци и Шокице . а ово ми је ново, нисам знао.
 
Znam par Bunjevaca koji su rodjeni u Subotici a korijeni im vuku iz Dalmacije i Hercegovine.Kazu da su katolici ali nisu Hrvati,cak se i uvrede ako ih nazoves Hrvatima.Mozda bi trebalo pitati Dulica,on je Bunjevac.
I Goranci kazu da nisu Siptari,a iz Dragasa ih je vecina
 

Back
Top