Istine i zablude o bombardovanju 1999.

Pa ako bi smo poceli pricati ko zna mozda bi i mi ucesnici bili Haski optuzenici.Salu na stranu , nje ti los predlog ali ko zna sta moze od toga proisteci.A evo ipak da se javim . Bio u okviru 126.brVOJIN na teritoriji KiM-a od 30.03. do povlacenja.

Onda pretpostavljam da bi nam ti mogao pričati dosta toga o tome šta je naša PVO pogodila. Pretpostavljam da ste vi mogli to da ispratite. Pri tome mislim i na avione koji su pogođeni pa su se ''dovukli'' do najbližeg aerodroma kod komšija.
I da, ne boj se Haga, nisu oni ludi da tamo dovedu nekog ko će da krene da im nabraja šta zna. :)
 
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Da bili smo operativni non-stop. Licno moja jedinica je dosla sa bivse teritorije CG i bila uvezana sa 310.rp u Pristini. Pa konkretno ne zznamo sta je bilo pogodjeno jer je nas posao jasan VOJIN ( Vasdusko Osmatranje Javljanje I Navodjenje) , sto bi reklo ispratimo cilj dok se vidi i dajemo podatke ostalim korisnicima preko OC. Te nase podatke koriste ARJ PVO koji vrse dejstvovanje kao i LA.
 
свако мало па неко оживи ову тему.мени она дође као терапија за нас који смо учествовали у тим догађајима.***.
Боли ме нешто друго. Међу лепљивим темама на овом пдф- има и тема СЛАВА ИМ, која има 50-так постова, а на овој теми се многи курче како су учествовали у одбрани 99-те и осталих 90-тих, а нико да се сети погинулих.
То што ћете написати слава им, одузеће вам 15-так секунди, ал породицама оних којима је неко погинуо значи када их се неко сети, па макар и на интернет форуму- кад су их држава и јавност одавно заборавили....
 
Ovako IvanePB. Konkretno lica koja rade na mestu gde sam radio ne mogu znati tacno dali je on slete ili je zviznut. To mogu znati oni u OC koji imaju malo vise podataka tj dosta podataka o svim letovima preko teritorije RS. A sobzirom da kada su ratna dejstva civili ne lete tu vise nema prijava leta i ostalih podataka. Tako da jedini komentari koji su bili na nas rad je bilo odlicna prijava,dobar podatak itd.

Онако, у пролазу video sam temu i prelistao je. Moje iskreno misljenje je da u toj temi mozda ne bi trebalo da se samo spominje Slava im, svaka im cast itd. Vec bi neko mogao da i spomene imena preminulima u agresiji. Licno imam slucaj u familiji, tacnije tast koji je poginuo 99 na teritoriji KiM-a, tako da o toj temi bih tamo diskutovao a ne ovde.
 
свако мало па неко оживи ову тему.мени она дође као терапија за нас који смо учествовали у тим догађајима.***.
Боли ме нешто друго. Међу лепљивим темама на овом пдф- има и тема СЛАВА ИМ, која има 50-так постова, а на овој теми се многи курче како су учествовали у одбрани 99-те и осталих 90-тих, а нико да се сети погинулих.
То што ћете написати слава им, одузеће вам 15-так секунди, ал породицама оних којима је неко погинуо значи када их се неко сети, па макар и на интернет форуму- кад су их држава и јавност одавно заборавили....

Znas kako, mozda ce me neko krtikovati, ali mislim da je bolje dvema recima odati im postu - SLAVA IM... naravno, ne postoje reci koje mogu opisati bol njihovih najblizih, niti mogu opisati njihov doprinos ovoj nasoj drzavi, ali morate priznati da ni onima koji su preziveli taj pakao nije lako. Pocev od optuzbi za "genocid", prozivanja da ste ubice - od najblize okoline, komsija, nazovi "prijatelja" koji se izjasnjavaju kao "pacifisti", preko raznih medija i razlicitih nevladinih organizacija, pa i nekih nasih zvanicnika...nije lako ziveti i objasnjavati deci da nije sve tako kao sto se prica. Da ne pricam o licnim zrtvovanjima i herojskim podvizima o kojima ne smes ni da pricas, a pre svega zato sto se vecito nadje neki "spavac" (ili vise njih organizovanih...) koji negira sve sto kazes, a naravno ostali to i prihvate...:roll:
 
Kada sam zapoceo ovu temu jedini cilj mi je bio da, prikupljanjem svedocenja ucesnika rata 1999, na neki nacin priblizim pravu istinu ili moguci razvoj dogadjaja, koji bi po pretpostavci ili stanju na terenu bio realan. Mnogo teskih reci je palo izmedju raznih ucesnika na ovoj temi...dosta njh je imalo iskustva 1999, ali dosta njih je imalo cilj da miniraju ovu temu.
Ja sam par puta rekao da trebamo sacekati da prodje neko vreme i da ce istina isplivati na povrsinu. Pre par dana svedocenje je stiglo (kako sam i ocekivao) sa suprotne strane...Priznanje o samoj kampanji bombarovanja je samo pocetak. Siguran sam da ce u narednom periodu doci do jos nekih podataka o samom ratu i ciljevima razaranja Srbije...
http://www.politika.rs/rubrike/tema...ma-o-bacanju-razornih-bombi-na-Srbiju.sr.html
A ovo je jedna od stranica na kojoj sam pisao nesto u vezi ovoga...http://forum.krstarica.com/showthread.php/109741-ISTINE-I-ZABLUDE-O-BOMBARDOVANJU-1999/page11
 
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Da bili smo operativni non-stop. Licno moja jedinica je dosla sa bivse teritorije CG i bila uvezana sa 310.rp u Pristini. Pa konkretno ne zznamo sta je bilo pogodjeno jer je nas posao jasan VOJIN ( Vasdusko Osmatranje Javljanje I Navodjenje) , sto bi reklo ispratimo cilj dok se vidi i dajemo podatke ostalim korisnicima preko OC. Te nase podatke koriste ARJ PVO koji vrse dejstvovanje kao i LA.

Pošto kažeš da si bio u CG, da li imaš informacije od kolega u vezi ovih podataka? Znam da su KUB-ovo sigurno desjtvovali sa Golubovaca za vrijeme agresije?

30.03. around 1:00 near Virpazar British Harrier. Pilot ejected but was soon captured
38. around 1:00 near Virpazar With the second missile, one aircraft that was in Harrier's escort was hit. Most probably an American F-16 that was hit over Montenegro. His pilot turned the airplane back to Italy but flying above the Adriatic, lost altitude and crashed near several NATO vessels. The pilot was picked up by a French rescue unit
 
postavi link da bi tvoje navodjenje bilo potkrepljeno barem nekim dokazom (mislim na donji navod na engleskom...)

Za lansiranje kubova sa Golubovaca znam, to je potvrdio i komandant aerodorma Kastratović za televiziju CG dan poslije napada naših na njihove "mirne" avione koji su se "samo" vraćali sa Kosova. Bili su i noćni snimci dejstva kubova po avionima NATO.U potjeri za oborenim pilotim sam i sam učestvovao kao i MUP RCG sa druge strane. Mi smo pokušavali da zarobimo pilote a ovi drugi da ih spasu. Izgleda da su oni došli prije do njih i prebacili ih do Debelog brijega.

Jedan lokalac iz Budve koji je učestvovao u potjeri jer dobro poznaje teren kao dugogodišnji lovac, je pronašao pilotsku torbu kod groblja jednog sela u Crmnici na kojoj je pisalo Heavy Jeny i tu torbu sam vidio svojim očima.

S druge strane prilikom tog noćnog boja nad Podgoricom i dejstva naših kubova, kod meterološko stanice je pronađen kanister od goriva britanskog Harijera i to je bilo javno prikazano u Tv dnevniku a o tome pored samog dopusnkog rezervoara je govorio Veljko Vlahović koji je napravio nekih 100 emisija iz oblasti vazduhoplovstva.

Danima poslije toga noćnog boja na televiziji su trubli o tome kako VJ "provocira" avione NATO i vlast je sve radila kako bi omela dejstva naših raketnih jedinica kao i Druge armije u cjelini.

Bio sam operator na Streli 2M pa sam upoznat sa nekim dejstvima po objektima VJ ali i po avionima NATo za vrijeme agresije 1999. Nalazio sam se u reonu Paštrovačke gore, Crnog rta, Skoči đevojke i bio učesnik obaranju dva tomahavka u reonu Grblja u Boki .Dio jednog imam još kući.

Takođe sam učestvovao u borobi protiv F-16 koji je destvovao na našu radarsku osmatračnicu na Crnom rtu kod Bara prilkom kojeg nam je pogodio cjelokupno skladište Srela 2M našeg drugog raketnog odjeljenja i zatrpao jedan od artiljerijskih otvora topova 88mm Flak.

To sa Crnim rtom se dešavalo u apriliu dan ili dva poslije dejstva naših aviona na ciljeve u Albaniji, imali smo obavještenje da se spremimo na NATO odgovor povodom "radova" naših aviona u Albaniju, tako da sam sklon povjerovati da su naši nešto žestoko odradili tih dana.Ovo mi je lično saopštio komnadnta PVO za primorje na ratnom položaju obilazeći jedinice pred napad NATO kao odmazdu za Albaniju.

Dan kada je napadnut Crni rt napadnut je i aerodorm Golubovci na kojem su uništeni avioni G-4 akrogrupe Leteće Zvezde a jedan potporučnik poginuo.
 
Poslednja izmena:
postavi link da bi tvoje navodjenje bilo potkrepljeno barem nekim dokazom (mislim na donji navod na engleskom...)

Taj podatak sam pronašao na listi gubitaka NATO aviona tokom agresije i upao mi je u oči jer sam upoznat sa onim što sam već naveo. Kaže se da su ovo ruski podaci...mada iskreno mi djeluju prilično naduvani.

1. 24.03. 20:20 Mt. Cicavica
2. 20:35 near Titel NATO plane that was hit with an air to air missile fired by MiG-29 pilot Nebojsa Nikolic. Airplane crashed several minutes later
3. 20:18 Mt. Jastrebac German Tornado
4. near Lazarevac One NATO aircraft hit with an AA missile fired by a pilot Slobodan Peric. Further destiny of the plane is not known
5. 21:30 Kosovo
6. 25.03. 0:30 Adriatic sea According to Greek military sources, there were two registered "MAYDAY" calls from NATO aircraft
7.
8. 1:00 airfield Rajlovac, Sarajevo Emergency landing of one F-15 spewing thick, white smoke
9. 23:00 2 F/A-18 Hornets that crashed 11km south of Ruma. According to reports, at least one was Canadian
10. 23:10
11. 23:30 area between Pristina and Podujevo
12. around 23:30 Mt. Fruska Gora One aircraft shot down (according to reports, F-117A) who's pilot ejected and was captured in the village Krusedol. He was then taken to the nearest police station
13. Mt. Fruska Gora One German Tornado shot down. Crew ejected. Pilot, male was killed while the female navigator was captured in the village Remeta and taken to the same police station as the pilot from the alleged F-117
14. 26.03. 17:20 village Donja Trnova, 15km southwest of Bijeljina, Republic of Srpska American F-15E. Crew was killed. The plane was shot down by a MiG-21.
15. 27.03. around 1:00 Mt. Maljen German Tornado. Crew ejected and landed in the vicinity of the village Konjevici, near Cacak, where they were captured
16. near Pec
17. around 3:00 area between Vrutak and Kremna, near Uzice
18. around 3:20 area between Vrutak and Kremna, near Uzice SFOR helicopter with 22 soldiers on board. After a short gunfight with the Yugoslav infantry unit, helicopter was destroyed by Strela-1M mobile SAM. No survivors.
19. north of Sombor One NATO airplane hit. No further information
20. before morning Ion sea According to Greek military sources, there were three registered "MAYDAY" messages. One from Dutch F-16, one from American F-15 and a third from one French aircraft (probably Mirage 2000)
21.
22.
23. 15:50 Djeneral Jankovic, near Macedonian border Canadian F/A-18 Hornet. Plane crashed on the Macedonian territory
24. around 17:00 near Budjanovci
25. 20:55 Budjanovci F-117A, serial number HO AF 82/806. Pilot Cpt. Ken 'Wiz' Dwelle was rescued, according to NATO. Aircraft shot down by Col. Gvozden Djukic's air defense unit
26. 22:30 Macedonian border Rescue helicopter shot down
27. 28.03. 2:50 Zabrdje, near Bijeljina Most probably an American F-15. Pilot was killed. Some sources say that it was in fact an F-117!
28. 3:00 near Bijeljina SFOR helicopter HH-60 Pave Hawk with 12 soldiers on board. Only two crew members survived
29. Loznica region Pilot ejected
30. 3:00 Gornji Milanovac Pilot ejected and captured shortly after
31. 16:00 Bijeljina Aircraft hit over Yugoslavia crashed in Bosnia.
32. 22:30 Macedonian border Rescue helicopter shot down
33. 23:50 Pristina Pilot killed
34. 23:55 Mt. Pastrik, near Prizrena Aircraft crashed in Macedonia
35. 29.03. 3:00 village Gakovo, near Sombor Pilot ejected and reportedly escaped to Hungary
36. 1:30 village Stojna, 14km from Pale, Republic of Srpska Some sources say that it was either F-15 or F-16, American. Pilot ejected but found dead later on. His neck was broken
37. 30.03. around 1:00 near Virpazar British Harrier. Pilot ejected but was soon captured
38. around 1:00 near Virpazar With the second missile, one aircraft that was in Harrier's escort was hit. Most probably an American F-16 that was hit over Montenegro. His pilot turned the airplane back to Italy but flying above the Adriatic, lost altitude and crashed near several NATO vessels. The pilot was picked up by a French rescue unit
39. 2:30 Mt. Cer Aircraft hit over Cer mountain crashed in Bosnia. According to the reports, it was a German Tornado. Crew ejected
40. 8:00 Surcin
41. 16:30 near Vranje According to reports, Tornado aircraft. Crew ejected and landed in the area between two villages, on the road to Kriva Feja
42. 23:30 Prizren Airplane crashed on Mt. Sara (Sar planina). According to information, it was a British Tornado. Crew ejected and landed onto a KLA controlled territory. They were escorted by the KLA to the Albanian border and handed to NATO representatives
43. before midnight Obla Glava, near Aleksinac UAV
44. 31.03. evening near Gnjilane F-117 crashed in Macedonia after being hit
45. 18:00 Rescue helicopter with 20 commandos on board
46. Sirig, north of Novi Sad German Tornado. Crew ejected and captured shortly after that
47. 22:30 Mt. Tara
48. 22:45 Mt. Tara NATO rescue helicopter CH-53 with 25 commandos. Helicopter shot down by Strela-2M portable SAM. No survivors
49. 01.04. 1:00 Mt. Tara NATO (possibly SFOR) helicopter CH-53 Stallion with 25 crew members. Helicopter shot dwon by Strela-2M portable SAM. No survivors
50. 3:05 airfield Pleso, Zagreb Crash-landing of one damaged F-117A
51. 7:00 Kosovo Aircraft hit over Kosovo crashed into suburban area of Skopje
52. 03.04. 19:30 Banja Luka region One F-16 seen over the town spewing thick, black smoke
53. 19:45 Novi Sad Aircraft damaged during the attack on Novi Sad's bridge "Most Slobode". Airplane crashed near Stara Pazova. Pilot captured
54. 04.04. before midnight near Uzice One NATO aircraft damaged (most probably F/A-18 Hornet). Aircraft dropped two full fuel tanks and immediately after that, touched with one of its wings a power line. It is not known whether the plane crashed or not
55. 05.04. 2:20 Obrenovac
56. 3:03 Zlatibor
57. evening between Dolovo and Banatsko Novo Selo, near Pancevo Aircraft downed by Lt.Col. Zoran Damnjanovic's air defense unit. There are some indications that another plane was shot down as well
58. 21:00 Mt. Fruska Gora One NATO plane downed. Pilot ejected near 'Pobeda' factory and was soon captured. Most likely F-117A
59. 20:00 Novi Sad During the attack on Novi Sad's "Zezelj" bridge, one German Tornado was shot down. Crew ejected and was captured shortly after
60. 06.04. 2:30 Aleksinac Dutch F-16
61. 4:20 Mt. Fruska Gora During the attack on Crveni Cot TV tower, one plane was downed. Pilot ejected and landed in the vicinity of village Remete. There is information suggesting that it was an F-117
62. after midnight Pristina NATO plane was hit while over the town. Aircraft crashed on Mt. Sara, near Skopje
63. 5:00 south of Fruska Gora Two NATO rescue helicopters with soldiers on board
64.
65. after midnight village Svinjare, near Kosovska Mitrovica
 
65. after midnight village Svinjare, near Kosovska Mitrovica
66. 11:10 Mt. Skopska Crna Gora Two NATO SAR helicopters with 40 commandos on board. No survivors
67.
68. after midnight Yugoslav-Albanian border (Montenegro) NATO helicopter with 20 soldiers and one rescued pilot on board. No survivors
69. around 22:00 Hill Zabucje, Uzice One aircraft hit and damaged
70. 23:30 Vozdovac, Belgrade Dogfight between Yugoslav Mig-21 and US F-15. F-15 crashed near Avala mountain. Confirmed by an eyewitness
71. 07.04. 0:00 near Pristina One NATO aircraft hit which headed in flames toward Macedonia. Near Skopska Crna Gora, one plane was seen in flames and after that, a powerful explosion was heard with a huge blast. It is assumed that the aircraft crashed
72. 2:00 Podgorica French Mirage 2000. Missile missed but pilot ejected anyway
73. 22:30 Kosovo Airplane hit over Kosovo crashed near Skopje
74. before midnight near Pristina American UAV Hunter shot down by Lt.Col. Brajan Vukicevic's air defense unit
75. before midnight Ljig
76. before midnight near Novi Sad Belgian F-16B. 42 year old pilot and 28 years old female co-pilot captured. Plane was shot down by Aleksandar Sunjka with 20mm AAA
77. 08.04. after midnight near Nis German Tornado. Crew captured
78. 12:40 Kosovo Aircraft crashed near Skopje
79. 09.04. 23:30 Ivanovo, near Belgrade
80. 10.04. 2:00 Batajnica NATO rescue helicopter shot down ad crashed into Danube
81. 15:45 Suva Reka region Crashed near Kumanovo
82. before midnight near Nis
83. 11.04. 0:12 Backi Brestovac, near Crvenka German. Most probably Tornado
84. 1:00 between Sombor and Odzaci An unidentified NATO aircraft was shot down by two radar-guided Kub SAMs * (may be the same as the above entry)
85. 11:20 Kosovo NATO aircraft shot down by Major Stojan Simijonovic's air defense unit. Plane crashed in Macedonia
86. 12.04. 0:21 between Belgrade and Pancevo
87. 21:30 village Osmaci, near Tuzla British Sea Harrier. Pilot killed. Aircraft was hit over Zrenjanin, where it jettisoned its fuel tanks
88. before midnight Kosovo German UAV CL-289
89. 13.04. after midnight near Batajnica airfield
90. after midnight Jabuka, north of Pancevo
91. 1:00 Olujci
92. after midnight near Srbinje (ex Foca), Bosnia Pilot killed
93. after midnight village Kadijina Cesma, near Tuzla
94. after midnight Bela Crkva, near Vrsac Probably Harrier
95. 23:00 Jabuka road, Pancevo
96. 14.04. after midnight Kosovo Polje German UAV CL-289
97. 0:10 Priboj
98. morning Kosovo German UAV CL-289
99. after midnight Yugoslav-Romanian border Two fuel tanks and several other F-15 parts found. No further information
100. 9:00 Crashed in Lopare, near Tuzla
101. 10:00* Sirig, north of Novi Sad Aircraft crashed near Kamendin agronomic well. Pilot ejected and captured
102. 10:05* near Belgrade
103. 11:50 Crashed near Mesaric
104. 12:00 Debrca, Vladimirci district
105. 15.04. 0:00 Krusevac F-16
106. 1:42 Dobovac, near Uzice
107. 1:45 Avala mountain, south of Belgrade Confirmed by an eyewitness
108. 1:59 Dobovac, near Uzice
109. 2:00 Kula
110. 2:00 near Priboj
111. 3:00 Mt. Bjelasnica, Bosnia
112. 12:43 Vladimirci, near Sabac
113. 19:30 Podgorica Tornado. Airplane shot down by Lt. Zdravko Bankovic, with L70 Bofors. Aircraft crashed into Lake Skadar. According to some other info, plane was shot own by Lt. Goran Ratkovic
114. 19:35 Podgorica French Mirage 2000. Airplane shot down by Lt. Zdravko Bankovic, with L70 Bofors. Plane crashed on Rumija mountain. Pilot ejected and captured shortly after. According to some other info, plane was shot own by Lt. Goran Ratkovic
115. 19:45 near Podgorica One NATO aircraft shot down by soldier Predrag Dzonic with Strela-2M portable SAM. Pilot ejected and landed in the village of Kruse where he was captured
116. 23:30 airfield Petrovec, Skopje Crash-landing of one heavily damaged A-10. Plane was hit with two portable SAMs
117. 16.04. 17:30 southern Kosovo A-10 shot down by soldier Dragan Petrovic with portable SAM. Plane crashed on Macedonian territory, near the border post Debelde
118. 19:51 Podgorica Tornado
119. 22:45 New Belgrade (Novi Beograd)
120. 23:11 Pancevo
121. 23:15 Podgorica French Mirage 2000
122. 17.04. 3:17 Mt. Skopska Crna Gora, Macedonia British Sea Harrier
123. 11:00 Milosev Do, near Prijepolja Probably British Sea Harrier
124. 14:30 Urosevac Airplane crashed 4 km into Macedonian territory, near the village Tanusevci. Pilot killed
125. 17:08 Bogatic One Tornado crashed on Fruska Gora mountain
126. 22:10 Cerevic, Fruska Gora Several structural parts of Tornado aircraft were found. Plane was hit and damaged and headed in flames, while spewing thick, black smoke toward Croatian airspace, where it probably crashed
127. 22:10 Loznica Aircraft hit with two missiles crashed in Bosnia
128. 23:30 near Valjevo One aircraft hit with Strela-2M portable SAM. Immediately after that, plane jettisoned its fuel tanks and headed for Ljubovija. Several minutes later, a powerful explosion was heard. Aircraft crashed near Bratunac, Bosnia. Crash confirmed by Yugoslav border patrol and local villagers
129. 18.04. 0:50 Mountain Skopska Crna Gora, Macedonia One US A-10 crashed after being hit over Kosovo
130. 0:51 airfield Petrovec, Skopje Crash landing of one heavily damaged A-10 Thunderbolt II
131. 0:55 Kosovska Mitrovica
132. 2:00 Pristina UAV
133. around 3:00 Mt. Povlen One Tornado was damaged. Aircraft headed toward Sarajevo airfield but crashed in the village Crvica, near Skelani, in the Republic of Srpska
134. 16:10 Mt. Cicevica, near Pristina Blew up while airborne. Most probably an F-16
135. 16:15 Mt. Cicevica, near Pristina Blew up while airborne
136. 19:00 near Pristina Plane crashed on Mt. Cicavica
137. before midnight near Tuzla American UAV Predator
138. 22:30 Jelovski Kamen, near Tetovo Tornado
139. 23:00 airfield Rajlovac, Sarajevo Crash-landing of one Danish F-16. Plane was damaged by a SAM
140. 19.04. after midnight village Jegunovce, near Tetovo German UAV CL-289
141. 10:30 Tetovo, Macedonia Tornado
142. 14:01 Kumanovo, Macedonia
143. Smederevo During the attack on the bridge in Smederevo, one aircraft shot down by a SAM
144. 23:00 Mt. Veliki Jastrebac
145. 23:30 Mt. Veliki Jastrebac NATO helicopter with rescue troops
146. 23:15 Urosevac
147. 20.04. 2:30 Mt. Rudnik, Topola
148. 3:15 Mt. Rudnik, village Cumic
149. 19:00 Gornje Stanovce, near Vucitrn UAV
150. 23:00 near Vranje
151. 23:30 Mt. Jastrebac Rescue helicopter
152. 23:50 near Beocin Two F-15 fuel tanks found filled with bullet holes. Aircraft crashed in the area between Vukovar and Osijek
153. 21.04. 16:00 Mt. Fruska Gora One NATO plane damaged. Several parts were found. Aircraft crashed in Croatia
154. 23:40 Vozdovac, Belgrade Hit with several 30mm AAA Praga rounds. Crashed into Lipovica forrest (Lipovacka suma) Confirmed by an eyewitness
155. 22.04. 0:43 Orlovaca Rescue helicopter
156. 1:20 Lipovica, near Belgrade Rescue helicopter. Crew killed, helicopter captured
157. Sonta, near Apatin American UAV Predator
158. 18:00 Kursumlija Wreckage found in town's vicinity
159. 18:05 Kursumlija Wreckage found in Lebane region
160. 23.04. 2:28 Makis, Belgrade
161. 4:20 area between Surcin and Jakovo
162. 4:40 Lipovica, near Belgrade Rescue helicopter
163. 15:00 near Pristina One NATO plane damaged. Several parts were found on the scene. While spewing thick, white smoke, aircraft headed for Albania where it most probably crashed
 
48. 22:45 Mt. Tara NATO rescue helicopter CH-53 with 25 commandos. Helicopter shot down by Strela-2M portable SAM. No survivors

Za ovaj podatak sam takođe saznao za vrijeme same agresije, mada ga nikad nijesam uspio provjeriti.Jedino što je indikativno je to da se ovi podaci slažu sa info koje sam dobio u to vrijeme u vezi obaranja helikoptera sa komandosima.
 
Zmaj_BD , svaka čast. Upravo takvim postovima iz prve ruke sam se nadao. Ljudi koji su bili na položajima, nešto su videli i ne boje se da kažu. Reci mi, to kada ste tražili pilota, jesu li vam rekli šta je oboreno i gde?

Već sam vam rekao šta smo i koga tražili. Bilo je i dosta dezinformacija, međutim za oborenim pilotom na Paštrovačkoj gori i u oblasti Crmnice je tragala i policija CG. Pošto je policija CG izigravala saveznika NATO-u imali su dogovr da ometaju dejstva naših jedinica i da spašavaju eventualno oborene pilote nad teritorijom CG i nekolko puta smo bili u situaciji da zapucamo jedni na druge.Pilotska torba sa natpisom Heavy Jeny se nalazi kod jednog lokalnog lovca, i danas velikog montenegrina pa mislim da je do nje teže doći kao dokaznog materijala ali u ono vrijeme tu torbu su vidjeli mnogi i o njoj je bilo podosta priče, a ja tog tipa lično poznajem.

Drugo, ako je bilo i oštećenih aviona nad CG, more je bilo blizu, tako da su se vrlo lako mogli dočepati međunarodnih voda i tamo srušiti a pilote spasiti njihovi brodovi koji su patrolirali uz našu granicu upravo radi toga.

Eto, što se tiče mojih saznanja o oborenim pilotima i dejstvu naše avijacije, zasniva se na nizu događaja koji su mogli odgovarati i biti posledica dejtva naših G-4 u Albaniji a podudaraju se sa datumima kada su navodne akcije izvrešne. Takođe to važi i za dejstvo kubova iz Podgorice i potrage za oborenim pilotom i pronalaženja torbice sa natpisom Heavy Jeny.

Poslije tog dejstva kubova, koliko mi je poznato naši više nijesu dejstvovali...da li je to bilo zbog nekog dogovora ili ne nepoznato mi je.

Kao operator na Streli 2M imao sam prilike dejstvovati dva puta sa relanom šansom za pogodak i to baš aviona...ni jednom nijesmo bili upozoreni na dolazak niskoletećih aviona. Sve ostalo je bilo previsoko za Strelu 2M.

Bilo je oborenih nekoliko i bespilotnih letilica.

U noćnom okršaju nad Bokom, kada su od 5 tomahavka oborena 2 pucalo je sve živo, i mislim da su LPA topovi 20 mm sa Grabovca ostvarili pogotke jer su tomahvci došli preko njihovog položaja pravo sa mora prema Lovćenu.Nebo je gorelo i kažem teško je znati šta ih je oborilo.Pucali su i topovi sa brodova takođe ali i naše strele.
 
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